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Okay I am so confused.

So John ripped Regina a new one the first season when he found out she knew about the switch but knew Bay wasn't his the whole time and kept it a secret?
That would be confusing! That's not what happened, though.

When Bay revealed the results of her biology-class blood test at Buckner (and remember John joking with the family about Kathryn having a fascination with a mail carrier who has snaggly teeth), John was bothered by the fact that Bay has AB blood type and he and Kathryn both have A.

So John, without telling anyone, immediately took some of Bay's hair from a brush and got it DNA tested. John learned that Bay was not his child and assumed Kathryn had had an affair, but that was only a couple of weeks before Kathryn did a similar test at Bay's request, and the whole family discovered that Bay was not their biological child.

So John only kept the secret that Bay was not his child, for a week or two at most. When the family discovered the babies had been switched at birth, at least, John learned that Kathryn had not cheated to produce Bay.

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A comet going over the house?
That part bugs me greatly.

The writers didn't even have the wherewithal to remember that Angelo had given John a state-of-the-art telescope, when he received all of the money from his lawsuit against the hospital. That would have been a nice way to bring Angelo's memory into this final episode.

But worse than that, looking up at the stars was always Bay & Emmett's gig. In every season, you will find an episode of Bay & Emmett gazing up at the stars together. Sometimes they did that in multiple episodes per season. And now, in Season 5, the writers make a concerted effort to negate that memory for fans. Looking up at the stars suddenly becomes the family's jam, and not something Bay & Emmett do together.

Oh, and for good measure, the song that played during the first time Bay & Emmett made love together, under the stars, ALSO plays as the family looks up at the stars together, because, you know, Bay & Emmett cannot have anything special that's just their own, not even a song, in the end.

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Emmett and Travis besties?
That is perhaps the most unbelievable part of the whole series. Lizzy Weiss is a MASTER at telling the audience important information, without showing us anything.

We've never seen any evidence of that kind of relationship between Emmett and Travis. The idea of Emmett moving to Tokyo, Japan, to follow Travis around on his professional baseball team is ludicrous. It was not even a good enough future for Bay to choose, and she is supposedly in love with Travis and she definitely shares a sexual relationship with him.

So, even though, Bay will not go to Tokyo to polish Travis's trophies and learn meditation and the ancient art of basket weaving, Emmett will????

And it wasn't even Emmett's idea, but Bay's? So Bay orchestrates Emmett's life for him, even when they are not a couple, first sending him to USC, and now, sending him to Japan.

Bay may be an important character on this show and important in Emmett's life, but no one holds that kind of power over another's life. Bay isn't so special as to keep calling the shots for Emmett, even after they break up. The writers made a stupid decision, and it only serves as evidence as to how much the writers wanted to decimate Emmett's strength and autonomy as a character.

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Eric is going to go to prison so he can be with Regina? She is raising that kid? Does Regina even have a job?
Okay, you are right. Maybe THIS is the most unbelievable part of the whole series. Eric is a former gang member. He knows what prison is like. He knows what will happen to him in prison for three years. But he is going to accept that, in order to be with Regina when he gets out? And he is going to trust her raising his son? One that he has risked everything to protect?

I would not trust Regina raising my child. Eric knows about Daphne's crime spree. Does he really think Regina will be able to raise Will all by herself in East Riverside? And won't he miss some of the most important three years of his son's life? That's so unbelievable.

And what a slap in the face to Bay that Regina wants to raise another child, but she takes no interest in Bay. Regina wasn't even willing to help Angelo raise his daughter Abby, who is Bay's biological sister. But Regina is all over raising another man's son.

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Regina kept the switch for 16 years but couldn't lie to her boy toy for a week?
I felt bad for Luca. He didn't deserve that. But he did dodge a bullet by escaping his relationship with Regina. It may hurt him now, but he'll be luckier in the long run.

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Japan came up and I was like Ty? Then no Ty...
Was Ty supposed to be in Japan? I thought he was in Germany.

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The Downs syndrome stuff was depressing. I just wished they had of left that out. Toby is married with a kid and he is excited to live in his parents guest house?
I agree. The Down syndrome stuff could be lovely to explore, if Toby was in a relationship with someone who is his soulmate. But instead, he is stuck in this relationship with Lily, who doesn't really love him. They only married because of the baby. He is once again living in his parents' home. And now, he is giving up his music, too.

I guess it doesn't really matter, though, because this show never explored anything with much depth.

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Daphne is becoming a doctor? I don't see it. Mingo gave up an awesome internship for her? Are there any people on the planet that won't ruin their lives for her? I just can't.
Okay, you're right! THIS must be the most unbelievable turn for the whole series.

Daphne is no more going to become a doctor than Toby is. Lizzy Weiss is living in her fantasy world. I am glad Weiss has this world of fiction, because someone like Daphne could not exist in the real world.

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Really no closure for Bay and Regina. No recognition that Bay gave up everything for her.
It really sucks.

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Why where Bay and Daphne laying so close together on the lawn? That's new.
Weiss says Bay and Daphne are the true soulmates of the series. All I see is a leech and a host.

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Travis is playing Baseball in Japan? Is this going to be a spinoff
In an interview yesterday, Lizzy Weiss said she would love to do a spin off with Travis and Emmett in Japan. Like I would believe that. I am quite sure Lizzy Weiss does not want to work with Sean Berdy again. She would need to recast his role.

I sure would not watch another Weiss production. Her storytelling is meaningless.

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I was happy for Melody, she got the happiest ending
Really? I thought it strange how she keeps taking in 19 year old young men. That's how old Travis was when she took him into her home, too.

Why does Melody want to rescue young men her son's age, when her own son obviously needs more of her attention? I don't get it.

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Are Bay and Travis together? I am confused.
Yes, Bay & Travis are together. In interviews published last night, Lizzy Weiss said that Travis is The One for Bay, and together, they have what it takes to build a relationship that will last for the rest of their lives. Bay & Travis are long-distance runners now.

Lizzy Weiss and Vanessa Marano both said in interviews that Travis will never hurt Bay. He will be loyal and trustworthy for their whole lives.

I find that unrealistic, too. Any human being as neglected as Travis was in his formative years, not even sharing a language with his family, and especially considering Travis also suffered sexual abuse, is not going to be emotionally healthy enough to be some perfect mature suitor for Bay for the remainder of their lives.

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I'm the opposite. What I liked about the ending was
staying true to characters and almost to real life rather than trying to please the fans in terms of couples.
I knew the second the episode ended that you would love it. That was one of the first thoughts I had as the final credits rolled.

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Bay and Emmett gave it 2 shots and both times it ending with a lot of pain and breaches of trust. Most couples, let alone a couple under 20 years old survive that because the trust goes. You can find a path to be friends but to have the level of trust, ease required with a long term partner. The thing I have learnt as I have gone through life is we have first loves that are often passionate, but the partner we settle down with is our best friend, our lover and someone we trust implicitly. And I would have struggled with an ending of Bay/Emmett together for that reason. Bay/Travis have a normal, healthy relationship...is it this great dramatic Romeo/Juleit story? No. But that's true to life. We date our romeos, get hurt and then we realise what is important. Trust, honesty, friendship, fun, supporting each other, making it work and common goals.And Bay and Emmett couldn't do that twice! And Bay and Travis have managed to have a healthy relationship with little drama, support each other, be there for each other and ultimately beat a number of obstacles Bay/Emmett never could. That is what made that choice the right one in my opinion. For Bay to have turned around in the finale and gone I can't live without Emmett would have felt like another doomed reaction based on feelings rather than thinking about what was right for her and them.
Oh, I didn't want Bay to feel she cannot live without Emmett. That would have been horrible.

I just wanted Bay to trust herself enough to be able to go for the deeper, more fulfilling connections in life.

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As for Emmett not liking Travis. They fell out over Bay. They were best friends and like brothers.
No, they weren't. They had a few moments of being pals, but they were never best friends or like brothers.

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To throw away the years of friendship over a girl Emmett himself dumped;
What years of friendship? Travis and Emmett dislike each other throughout most of their junior year of high school, and it is only during their senior year that they become semi-friends. But they are never all that close.

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it was right and typical for Bay (the person who came between them) to try to finally mend that as she finally knew what she wanted and had a place in the world with art, where she was happy. She could have ended things with Travis, emmett gone away...but I thought it very Bay to try to repair their relationship given the previous episode with his mum, Emmett's depression and the fact the boys are so closely linked through Emmett's mum. It's different if Travis wasn't some sort of foster son.
I suppose that it is typical for Bay, but it's one of the few qualities I dislike about her. I was hoping that Bay would mature out of this need to orchestrate Emmett's life for him.

Plus, the idea of Emmett going to Tokyo is so STUPID. Why would he go there to be a photojournalist? It makes no sense. The majority of Japanese people do not even speak English. Emmett is Deaf. Travis may have an interpreter through his baseball team. What is Emmett going to do?

Lizzy Weiss just needed a way to get rid of Emmett's character in the end, so she stuck him in Japan with Travis.

When Bay comes to Tokyo for her Thanksgiving visit, I am sure that watching Bay and Travis have an intimate, sexual relationship will be just what the doctor ordered for Emmett's depression.

Oh, and I suppose Emmett's depression is all cured now, because you know, bygones.

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IFinales, when ending shows, don't need major drama. Its about the character's story's coming together. And Bay's is one that rang true. Despite her rather stupid mistake taking the fall for Daphne, she found a place in the world where she could be an artist and have a career which made her happy. And tattoo artist feels quite realistic given her tagging past. and she found peace in her relationships and what she wanted from a guy. She didn't need drama, passion. She needed trust, honesty, respect and friendship with someone she could grow with. And unfortunately she never got that with Emmett. Sometimes you can't go back and love isn't enough. And love can take different forms.
Love is always enough, and you can always go back, if you choose to go back.

As for Bay growing with Travis, a real-life Travis who had been neglected by his parents and never even shared a language with them, one who had been sexually molested as a child and never faced it, is not going to be ready to grow in a mature relationship with anyone. He is going to need counseling and help to overcome his anger and trust issues.

Lizzy Weiss's finale fantasy world does not ring true to me at all.
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