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Old 04-13-2011, 06:20 AM
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Brian & Justin #154: I believe in nothing but the beating of our hearts

Welcome to the 154th Brian and Justin Appreciation Thread!

1) Because then he came along
2) The moment they saw each other there was sparks
3) 'No place special' Brian can change that
4) Because they were the first
5) Because their first kiss was hot!!
6) Because Justin can't help it he's only seventeen *lol*
7) Because Brian taught him the alphabet
8) Because he's going with him
9) Because Brian was sweet and gentle
10) Because no matter who he's with he'll always remember Brian as his first
11) Because that scene set the bar for the entire series!
12) Because you can never get enough!
13) Brian and Justin spankage in the first episode =P
14) Because he drove him to school
15) Because he was protective of him
16) Because Justin saw the face of God...and his name is Brian Kinney
17) Because Justin almost tired Brian out
18) Because Justin told Daphne they did it till six in the morning!
19) He was in another place, a beautiful place...Justin.
20) Because he didn't want Justin to know how old he was *lol*
21) Because Brian left a stranger in his loft to go after Justin... barefoot!!
22) The final moments of episode 2 *sobs*
23) Because he told Michael to leave Justin alone he's alright... in fact he's kinda sweet
24) Because he can have anyone he wants, but he wants Justin
25) What is that boy doing??? Let's hear it for the boy... Need we say more?
26) Cause Brian didn't waste any time in cutting in on Justin
27) Because there is neck lickage and lifting all in one scene!
28) Because he made it an early evening...with Justin.
29) Because Justin went to Brian when he was in trouble
30) The scene in Michaels bedroom... lets go straight to number one *thud*
31) Because Justin isn't just an ordinary stalker... he's the president of his fanclub!
32) Because Brian threw the trick out when he insulted Justin!
33) Because Brian lets him stay over
34) Because Brian has noticed his amazing feel for the human form
35) Because Justin drew Brian while he was asleep
36) Because Brian thinks Justin's drawing is a perfect likeness
37) Because Brian wanted to know who that other guy Justin drew was...
38) Because Debbie tells Jennifer she thinks Brian and Justin are evenly matched
39) Because even Jennifer knows they're hot together
40) Because Brian bought Justin's picture
41) Because Justin got his nipple peirced to impress Brian
42) Because Justin loves him more than anything else in his life and all he wants is to be with him.
43) Because it's Party time and he wants to dance with Jusin
44) Because he removes Emmett and pulls Justin towards him
45) Making out by the car, they are so caa.
46) Because he lets Justin stay with him
47) Because Brian thinks Justin is brave for standing up to his father
48) Because Justin sneaks into bed with Brian
49) Because Justin made jambalaya for Brian
50) Because Brian stands up for Justin 'thats not love, that's hate.'
51) Because Brian's got someone waiting for him
52) Because it's always better on the second day
53) Because Justin thinks Brian is a good dad
54) Because Brian helps Justin study for his SAT's
55) Because Brian went after Justin to NYC
56) Because Justin hoped that Brian would find him first
57) Because they were gonna straighten out Justin's life
58) Because the hotel sex was freaking HOT!
59) Because he was going to become a go go boy in chelsea.
60) Because Justin had a toothbrush at Brian's
61) Because Brian needed someone to help him clean up this mess
62) Because Justin didn't leave Brian like everyone else
62) Because Brian asked Justin to come over
63) Because ice cream kisses
64) Because Jusin wanted to help Brian and Michael be friends again
65) Because Justin is the missing link!
66) Because Justin was hanging out in Brian's loft
67) Because Jusin wanted Brian to come to Babylon
68) Because he knows Brian, he doesn't do dates
69) Because he wanted to help Brian when he was in trouble
70) Because he made Brian his grandmothers secret hangover remedy!
71) Because he made Kip drop the charges against Brian
72) Because Justin knows what he wants for his birthday
73) Because Justin promised Lindsay he'd look after Brian
74) Because Justin loves Gus
75) Because Justin isn't just anyone
76) Because Justin helped look after Gus
77) Because they're nuzzling in the diner!!
78) Because of Brian's expression when 'you're going out of state??!'
79) Because he gives a ****
80) Because Justin asks Brian's advice on the gay-straight alliance
81) Because Brian defends Justin from Chris Hobbs
82) Because going shotgun isn't necessarily bad
83) Because it's French, they're Frenching!!
84) Because Justin knows Brian will protect him
85) Because brian didn't get upset when debbie called them a couple
86) Because justin feels guilty for his parents divorce
87) Because he's killing him with kindness
88) Because he can't get rid of Justin until he says so
89) Because he is the true deciple of Brian Kinney
90) Because there's no turning back
91) Because Brian wants to make Justin the best homosexual he can be
92) Because they shared the most intense kiss ever
93) Because the "You look so fine" scene
94) Because Justin wanted to know if they were going to Babylon tonight
95) Because Brian was so jealous 'Brian: That's enough'
96) Because Brian taught him everything he knows
97) Because Justin didn't want Brian to move to NY
98) Because the hug was so caa...
99) Because Justin asked him to his Prom
100) Because Brian surprised him by coming
101) Because "Save the Last Dance for Me" *thud*
102) Because they shared the most romantic dance ever
103) Because he kissed Justin in front of everybody
104) Because he gave Justin the Prom he'll never forget
105) Because it was the best night of Justin's life
106) Because it was "ridiculously romantic"
107) Because he tried to save Justin
108) Because we've never seen Brian so devastated
109) Because Brian didn't know how to deal with the bashing
110) Because he was secretly visiting Justin at the hospital every night
111) Because he kept the scarf
112) Because Daphne said they were amazing
113) Because Justin wished he could remember
114) Because he knows it wasn't Brian's fault
115) Because he told Jennifer he cares about Justin
116) Because he wanted to help Justin
117) Because he tried to trigger Justin's memory
118) Because Brian remembered everything
119) Because "I wish I could remember/I wish I could forget"...
120) Because Brian knows why Debbie calls Justin Sunshine
121) Because "Like the first time" *sigh*
122) Because he helped Justin to cross the street
123) Because he wasn't sure he could do it but Brian was
124) Because "When my boy walks down the street"
125) Because he's recovering nicely
126) Because "thanks for the standing ovation"
127) Because he defended Brian to Bellweather
128) Because they were holding hands. In public!
129) Because Brian was helping Justin with his exercices
130) Because he encouraged Justin to go to the Pride
131) Because "Hey stud. Wanna dance?"
132) Because he promised Justin he wouldn't forget this dance
133) Because Brian was just doodling
134) Because they shared a hello kiss at Babylon
135) Because he bought Justin a computer
136) Because Brian is Justin's inspiration
137) Because they were like ********** newlyweds!
138) Because even a random trick knew Brian was in a relationship
139) Because "Admit the truth. You love him, don't you?"
140) Because Brian wants to be coming home to Justin
141) Because they sealed the deal with a kiss
142) Because he wants Justin safe and around for a long time
143) Because they couldn't wait to get rid of Jen
144) Because they had a "sniffing" game!
145) Because emotionnally they're the same age
146) Because Brian wants Justin to enjoy his youth
147) Because he knows the best way to wake Justin up
148) Because they have "date" nights
149) Because it was Justin's idea to steal Ted's viagra!
150) Because Justin doesn't have problem with older men!
151) Because he always knows what Brian likes
152) Because Brian thinks Justin has great taste
153) Because Justin was worried when Brian took off with a stranger
154) Because he invited Justin to White Party
155) Because Justin knows with which bodypart he can deconcentrate Brian
156) Because Brian wanted to loan him the money
157) Because Justin loves that Brian would do anything for him
158) Because he gave Brian a dividend ;-)
159) Because the spanking scene!
160) Because "daddy don't hurt me too bad" *lol*
161) Because Brian was annoyed by Justin's go-go dancer job
162) Because a man knows when to ask for help
163) Because Brian wanted to spend time with his boyfriend
164) Because 'Good morning sunshine'
165) Because Brian wanted him safe
166) Because Brian couldn't take his eyes of angel!wings Justin
167) Because maybe they'll hang it!
168) Because toppy!Justin!!!!! *thud*
169) Because they were spoon and forking in the diner
170) Because 'ok no more drugs for you' and the play bite! Too cute!
171) Because Rage is based on Brian - 'it's his mind that makes him sexy'
172) Because Brian stayed up waiting past 3am
173) Because 'that was important'... 'so is this'
174) Because 'rise and shine sunshiinnne'
175) Because his jealous freak out means he cares
176) Because "if you didn't love him then you wouldn't give a *******"
177) Because Brian actually admitted being jealous!
178) Because the artwork is art
179) Because the playful bump-shove they give each other = love
180) Because "Rage swoops JT into his arms and takes him up to his lair" where "he brings him to life with lots of of heavy kissing..." and less PG activities ;-)
181) Because Brian wanted to see Justin in another birthday suit
182) Because even if the birthday gift idea was bad, Brian's intentions were good
183) Because Brian thought Justin knew he cared about him
184) Because he was considering buying Justin roses
185) Because he wanted to spend a whole week with Justin in Vermont
186) Because he called Justin his partner!!!
187) Because he was looking for Justin to celebrate
188) Because he was disappointed when he found that Justin went to Vermont alone
189) Because the "red sweater" kiss was HOT!
190) Because Justin apologized for what hapened with Ethan
191) Because he let Justin get back in his bed
192) Because it's Justin's call where he wanna be
193) Because Brian was never so miserable than without Justin
194) Because even apart they're still on each others minds
195) Because Brian hoped Justin would find what he wanted
196) Because Brian hit Mikey when he badmouthed Justin!
197) Because he payed for a Justin look-a-like hustler
198) Because he was fantasizing about Justin when having sex with some trick
199) Because he was still paying for Justin's tuition
200) Because he asked Justin to make a poster for the carnival
201) Because Brian's still Justin's biggest fan
202) Because Justin was worried when he heard about Brian's nephew accusations
203) Because he helped Brian by tricking John
204) Because he gave Brian his bracelet in person
205) Because they shared longing looks
206) Because Brian was irritated when he saw Justin wearing Ethan's ring
207) Because Justin never forgave Brian. He never had to!!!!!
208) Because they couldn't stop looking at each other in the backroom!
209) Because Justin was bored out of his mind without Brian
210) Because Justin had an ..interesting dream.. that took place in mid air
211) Because Justin wasn't talking about Ethan, he was talking about Brian!
212) Because he realized he made the biggest ********* mistake of his pathetic life
213) Because he wanted Brian back at any price
214) Because Justin became Brian's intern to win him back
215) Because Justin is the best thing to come into his office
216) Because he is the ubiquitous Justin Taylor
217) Because "Brian...Mr Kinney"
218) Because he would be grateful if Brian gave him a second chance
219) Because what Brian could give Justin is worth a thousand, a million times more then what Ethan had to offer
220) Because he had b***s to kiss him!
221) Because the kiss he gave Brian had Brian asking for more.
222) Because he decided that Brian should take him back
223) Because Brian would be making a bigger mistake by not giving him a second chance
224) Because Justin understands now Mr Kinney's rules
225) Because Brian requires Justin to work long hard hours sometimes deep into the night
226) Because "it'll be pleasure to work under you... sir"
227) Because he promised to never play violin music in Brian's presence again
228) Because we had a perfect reunion with "Lover's Spit"
229) Because Brian took him back!
230) Because it was the most historic reunification since Germany!
231) Because "Yes you are seeing it" and so did the whole Babylon!
232) Because the fiddler fell off the roof *evil grin*
233) Because it's about thawing his cold heart, bringing him back to life.
234) Because it's about their love, their unspoken commitment
235) Because Brian showed Justin he loved him everyday
236) Because Here by my side an angel/Here by my side the devil/Never turn your back on me again/Here by my side it's heaven
237) Because that was effing hot
238) Because it's just like the cover of the comic. It's art imitating life!
239) Because he’s the guy Brian ******** more than once. "Unlike you"
240) Because they like to go on strolls together
241) Because he's just a little rambuncious, you know how they are at his age
242) Because they danced to "Get Some Lovin" at Babylon
243) Because doesn't Justin want to party like its 1984??
244) Because its not that type of project
245) Because there's a restaurant he wants to try with Justin
246) Because "Taylor what are you still doing here?"
247) Because Brian knew all along it was him. "I'm sure you'll get an A+ even if it is a bit crude and heavyhanded"
248) Because they made out and Brian helped Justin hang up the posters
249) Because now they're more than just partners. They're partners in crime!
250) Because he wanted to give Justin a subscription for his birthday
251) Because that was aaaaaaaaamazing!
252) Because Brian helped Justin set Stockwell up
253) Because Justin winked at Brian during the GLC meeting
254) Because Justin learnt from Brian how to be a clever devil
255) Because we got Brian kissing Justin's stomac scene!
256) Because they can make removing socks look hot!
257) Because Justin was giving him career tips
258) Because Justin can always "make his mother's meatloaf honey and then look at the photos from when they took kids to Disneyworld"
259) Because they're the new revolutionists!
260) Because that tongue kiss scene was way too short!
261) Because Brian is Justin's deep throat!
262) Because wrong blondboy! he'd rather get laid
263) Because it must have been quite an elegant affair
264) Because 'you shoulda been there' Justin & Brian touchflirtplay!
265) Because 'how are you gonna keep a cleaning lady??'
266) Because they're partners in crime with matching leather jackets!!
267) Because 'look at all these old guys, some of them are even older than you are!'
268) Because 'charm him with your witty repartee'
269) Because Brian is gonna owe him like a hundred bj's for this!
270) Because 'effing teenagers i don't know how anyone puts up with them = Brian's raised eyebrow' *lol*
271) Because Brian thought Justin looked hot dressed as a hustler
272) Because he already expressed his appreciation 3 times with Justin
273) Because Brian admitted that Justin is his boyfriend "in non defined, non conventionnal way"
274) Because 'leave to a queen to turn anything into a drama'
275) Because Brian told him to apologise
276) Because Justin sacraficed everything
277) Because they both co-ordinate their wardrobe (aww matching blue sweaters)
278) Because 'holy porkchop' 'if only there were a real rage to change everyones mind'
279) Because someone told Brian that if you really believe in something then you'll sacrafice everything
280) Because concerned citizens for the truth really are lunatics
281) Because Justin offered to loan him the money
282) Because Brian's suffering from possession withdrawl *squuee holding hands*
283) Because when the results were announced they hugged and celebrated
284) Because try as he might he can't come up with anything else
285) Because the way he looked at Justin was pure love
286) Because 'drop your pants...bend over'
287) Because the kiss on the stairs outside The Woody's was pure happiness
288) Because "Christ Brian now you don't even have a car!!"
289) Because Brian haven't lost everything - he still has Justin
290) Because they have liberty and each other
291) Because they were celebrating the victory in tight embrace
292) Because Justin is Baby to Brian's Johnny!
293) Because Justin wanted to help Brian financially
294) Because "I thought we were partners/We are"
295) Because Justin named Brian's new agency
296) Because Brian thought it was clever
297) Because "Hi, honey"
298) Because the loft is where they made love for the first time
299) Because "it was love to me"
300) Because Justin organized a benefit to help Brian
301) Because "half of gay Pittsburgh can sleep soundly in their own bed"
302) Because the kiss and a hug in the street was so sweet!
303) Because it was Justin's idea to come up with a new ad to steal Vance's account
304) Because Brian was worried by Justin's anger
305) Because Brian thought Justin's new haircut was hot
306) Because he was worried Justin would get in trouble b/c of the Pink Posses
307) Because chair!sex scene!!!!! *thud*
308) Because "tonight it's your turn"
309) Because they fought for it!
310) Because Brian tried everything to talk Justin out of the Pink Posse
311) Because he was even more worried when he found Justin got a gun
312) Because he wanted Justin to go back to school
313) Because they were funny when they were trying to win their bet
314) Because Justin was understanding and loving when Brian told him about going to Ibiza
315) Because he promised Brian he will be there when he'll get back
316) Because he told Brian what he needed to hear the most - "I love you"
317) Because "you're here"/"I told you I would be"
318) Because Brian admitted he missed him
319) Because Justin wanted a kiss to have a proof
320) Because he respected Brian's wishes and didn't let him know he knew about the cancer
321) Because "tell me about Ibiza" scene *bawl*
322) Because Brian threw him out thinking Justin would leave him anyway
323) Because "the soup scene"!
324) Because Justin knew it was only a temporary malfunction
325) Because he tried to cheer Brian up
326) Because Brian was anxious when he couldn't have sex with Justin
327) Because Justin went to a Chinese herbalist to help Brian
328) Because "it's for my boyfriend"
329) Because Justin made him herbal tea to ignite fire in his lifegates
330) Because Brian went straight to Justin when he "healed"
331) Because it's a joy forever!
332) Because God gave Brian a second chance and he didn't want to blow it... but Justin was free to!
333) Because Justin was withholding sex to get Brian donate his couch... and it worked!
334) Because it was their top 5 sex!!!!!
335) Because Justin wanted Brian to sponsor him in Liberty Ride
336) Because Brian had to sneak out coz he didn't want to wake up Justin
337) Because Justin followed him to the spin class
338) Because Justin knew the best way to inspire Brian
339) Because the bicycle kiss was hot!
340) Because Justin wanted to stay for Brian
341) Because Brian encouraged Justin to go to Hollywood
342) Because Brian lied so that Justin can fulfill his dream
343) Because Brian was imagining Justin cheering him on Liberty Ride
344) Because Justin waited at the finish line for him
345) Because he could kill Brian for doing this
346) Because they lay on the futon giggling
347) Because Brian wants to make some changes and important decisions
348) Because 'I want you to move back in' 'Huh?' 'I said I would like it if you and I were to live together'
349) Because all the running back and forth is time consuming
350) Because Justin wears Brian socks!!! it's love!!!!
351) Because 'As for the times you're not around I wouldn't particularly mind it if you were.'
352) Because Justin has been waiting for Brian to ask him to move in since the night he first brought him to the loft
353) Because Brian was planning on surprising Justin in LA
354) Because Brian missed him more than words can express
355) Because he was gonna be "reunited with his beloved"
356) Because it was love for the Russian litterature and snacks that brought them together
357) Because Justin is Brian's superhero
358) Because Justin was missing Brian
359) Because Brian was bothered that Justin had to stay longer in LA
360) Because "how was your flight?"
361) Because the reunion sex was hot!!!
362) Because it was all Justin remembered and more
363) Because Justin knows that Pittsburgh has something that Hollywood doesn't have
364) Because the tickling!
365) Because Brian admitted it was great
366) Because he kept an empty drawer for Justin
367) Because he back hugged Justin when he got home from work
368) Because he asked Justin to work in Kinnetik
369) Because "Sunshine, how did I ever get along without you?"/"You didn't"
370) Because of cuddling in the shower
371) Because they're finishing each other's sentences!
372) Because "did you hear that rubber duckie, he said couple"
373) Because he called Justin "mon amour"!
374) Because the chin bite!
375) Because Justin loves to cook and Brian loves to plant seed in some hole... in the ground
376) Because Brian had a surprise for Justin in the VIP lounge
377) Because they snuggled in the kitchen
378) Because Brian loves Justin's cream sauce
379) Because they were choosing housewarming gift together
380) Because Brian wanted to know how Justin's evening was
381) Because Justin wanted a husband and family - with Brian of course
382) Because Justin has always loved Brian
383) Because Brian wanted to know where Justin is going to live now
384) Because Brian was devastated after Justin left
385) Because Justin missed Brian and wished for them to be together
386) Because Jen also wanted them to be still together
387) Because Brian saved Justin's life
388) Because Brian gave Justin everything
389) Because Brian didn't deny that Justin was the love of his life
390) Because even apart, they still love each other
391) Because Brian always comes to see Justin's art
392) Because Brian thought Justin's art is exquisite
393) Because at the bombed Babylon he called out for Justin first
394) Because Brian was 'f...... scared' for Justin
395) Because "I love you."
396) Because Brian needed to check on Justin
397) Because Brian knew that Justin would get through this
398) Because Brian didn't want to go on without Justin
399) Because Brian wanted to marry Justin
400) Because Brian was upset when Justin turned him down
401) Because even Jen was disappointed that Brian wasn't going to be her son-in-law.
402) Because Brian bought that palace for his prince
403) Because Brian wanted to 'prove to the person that he loves how much he loves him'
404) Because Justin said 'yes'
405) Because the post engagement sex was hot!
406) Because BriTin
407) Because if Justin wants Golden Gardenias, he will get Golden Gardenias
408) Because Brian has a vivid memory of their first time together
409) Because Brian is the opportunity of his lifetime for Justin
410) Because Justin knew that Brian was the only one who never broke his promises
411) Because Brian thought Justin looked beautiful
412) Because Justin is enough for Brian
413) Because they do cuddle
414) Because they don't need rings nor vows to prove that they love each other - they already know that.
415) Because that last lovemaking scene was heartbreaking

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Old 04-13-2011, 07:00 AM
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thank you for the new thread, Manu.
it's a beautiful title


As for what Steffi mentioned in the previous thread, I actually "heard" Brian saying "In ways that I won't" in my mind when I read her post. As Manu pointed out Brian never said out loud that he doesn't love Justin, he just struggled so much with the idea of being in love. I agree with Steffi, though, that it was definitely difficult for Justin to be in a relatinship with Brian, who made it so difficult to love him.

when I said that Ethan didn't know real love I meant that he was never honset , despite his romantic gesturse. I can see Ethan in post 513 still running around from one hotel room to another,pbbly being very succesful but with no real partner at his side, which is rather sad. I think that BJ, on the other hand, would always be together, because no matter how many obstacles they faced, they were always honest with each other, and they were in love.
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You're welcome

I didn't have ideas for the title, these lyrics are what came to my mind but we can change it if you have a good one

A couple of things I wanted to reply to from the previous thread:

Originally Posted by woken and broken (View Post)
i know you hate the scene at the end of 307 too! lol. i totally agree with you about justin getting such an ugly trick. wtf?!
Personally, I like that scene, a lot. It's all about Brian and Justin to me, infact I don't even know how the trick looks like, I've never paid attention to him!

Originally Posted by 90210-Steffi (View Post)
I wouldn't call the Kinney-way-of-love "real love"! I mean, there are a lot of ways to love someone and Brian Kinney is not what I would call a boyfriend or someone I want to spend my life with. He can be very very hurtful and to hear from someone you love that he doesn't WANT to love you... is for me one of the worst things he ever said (twice).
When did Brian tell Justin he didn't want to love him? He said he wouldn't do the things Ethan did and he wouldn't give Justin the things Justin wanted (a husband, a family, a home, as Brian puts it in S5. And words, as they put it in S2), but he never told him "I don't want to love you".

Justin: He loves me. In ways that you can't.
Brian: In ways that I won't.

Justin: I know you can't give me those things.
Brian: Not can't. Can't implies that I'm incapable. It's that I won't.

In both cases he's talking about the way he loves Justin and the things he wants to do and doesn't want to do, because they mean or don't mean anything to him. It's different than saying: Justin I don't want to love you. In both cases, the love is there and they both know it. It's just that Brian interprets love in a different way than Ethan and Justin. Brian doesn't want to love Justin in certain ways because he doesn't believe in those. But it's implied in his replies that he does love him. In his own way, the way he feels it's real.

Speaking of real and what Vered said, of course Brian's way of love isn't perfect. I don't think there really is a perfect way to love. I think when Vered talks about real love, she's meaning that Brian's feelings for Justin were honest and real and deep. His way of expressing them was anything but perfect, but I do think his feelings for Justin were more real, deeper and more honest than Ethan's. Same with Justin: Justin's love for Brian was way more real than Justin's love for Ethan. At least, that's what I think the show told us: Brian and Justin are in love with each other. Justin and Ethan liked each other, developed some feelings, but there wasn't real LOVE between them, if we speak of the kind of love couples like Ben/Michael or Brian/Justin share.
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I don't even know how the trick looks like, I've never paid attention to him!
he looks like a gargoyle...
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One of the things that always confuses me after EJ break up is in 3.07 BJ have that hot eye sex in Babylon wouldnt Brian think that because Justin is there with a trick shouldnt he think EJ are broken up because wouldnt he think Justin would be faithful to his so called perfect bf so why does he ask Justin in 3.08 where his boyfriend is?

IDK if I make sense.
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I just edited my previous post
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TFTNT I personally love the title, and the song

cutie_pie04 : I understand what you're saying and I always thought when I watched that scene and the following episode that Brian perfectly understood things were over between EJ, but he just wanted to make sure and tease Justin, since he used to do that a lot when talking about Ethan.
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the eye sex was the best thing about 3x07! it meant it was only a matter of time before they were reunited
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Another one of my fav. scenes of theirs when they are broken up in S3 is the one in the bathroom at the party in 3.01. First of all I find it hilarious that Brian just walks in on Justin taking and leak and just uses it at the same time and then when he says all seriously that he hopes Justin gets what he wants. makes me want to cry everytime.
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Old 04-13-2011, 06:24 PM
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and Justin is freaked out that Brian is in there with him.
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Another one of my fav. scenes of theirs when they are broken up in S3 is the one in the bathroom at the party in 3.01. First of all I find it hilarious that Brian just walks in on Justin taking and leak and just uses it at the same time and then when he says all seriously that he hopes Justin gets what he wants. makes me want to cry everytime.
aww...the weirdness between them in that scene *sigh*

I think it's one of the few scenes on the show where Justin feels uncomfortable to be half naked in Brian's presence
I think he felt that way because they've been apart from each other for quite a while at that point.

btw, Steffi,if you're reading this, I hope we're still in this together, despite the fact I'm not the greatest Ethan fan
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Old 04-14-2011, 01:40 AM
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When did Brian tell Justin he didn't want to love him? He said he wouldn't do the things Ethan did and he wouldn't give Justin the things Justin wanted (a husband, a family, a home, as Brian puts it in S5. And words, as they put it in S2), but he never told him "I don't want to love you".
Exactly what you quotet Manu!
When someone you love tells you "In ways that I won't" and "I won't" what would you think?

"Why doesn't he want to?"
"Am I not worth it?"
"Am I not enough?"
"Is what we have not worth it?"
"Doesn't he love me enough?"

Doesn't "won't" mean "I don't want to"?
And how hurtful is it when someone tells you straight to your face "I could, but I won't"?!

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I know you want Manu's answer here, Steffi, but I just felt I needed to say something as well
I don't think that when Brian said "in ways that I won't" he meant he doesn't want to be with Justin, or that he doesn't love him. I think he struggled so much here,mainly against himself, not to tell Justin that he loved him.
it would have been so great if Brian could say something like "I don't love you the same way Ethan loves you, I love you in other ways..." but that, of course would have been totaly OOC for Brian Kinney.

I can understand what you're saying about living with someone like BK in RL. It's pbbly a constant uphill struggle, but BK is a dramatic hero,and as such he's much more conflicted and complicated.
on the other hand, I think Justin was willing to take that challenge. maybe not in 219-220, where they were both a part of this marathon of pain, but overall, he was willing to accept Brian, even with his flaws, because he felt that what they have between them is honest and real.
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Old 04-14-2011, 03:34 AM
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I don't think that Brian meant "I won't love you" - I probably just said that wrong... I meant, how would you understand that? When someone you love tells you that...

This little word "won't" means a lot and IMO it's very hurtful
A lot more hurtful that "can't".

And that's also what you see in Justin's face, when he gets answers like "I won't" and "Damn if I knew" or when they met on the street in 5.07 and 5.10... it's always this sad "Why not?" IMO.

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I can understand what you mean, Steffi.

still, I think that for Brian, those times he struggled so much with "I won't" wasn't just about semantics. it really was a huge struggle for him (in S2 and S5 ) to actually express those words, to say "I love you,Justin", without sounding too RR or cheesy to himself. that's bbbly why he always took a step back when things started to feel a little too,how should I say, "domestic", between Justin and him. I think he just couldn't go over this barriar of convincing himself that it's ok to tell Justin that he loved him, and become more commited to him.

that was obviously very difficult for Justin,but he hang in there,becuse he really was in love with Brian, even in S5 break up, that seemed much more final.
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