confessor_meggy

"My thoughts got out to you, my Immortal Beloved, now and then joyfully, then sadly, waiting to learn whether or not fate will hear us
I can live only wholly with you or not at all
Yes, I am resolved to wander so long away from you until I can fly to your arms and say that I am really at home with you, and can send my soul en-wrapped in you into the land of spirits
Yes, unhappily it must be so
You will be the more contained since you know my fidelity to you. No one else can ever posses my heart never
Never
Oh God, why must be one parted from one whom one so loves.
Your love makes me at once the happiest and the unhappiest of men
Oh, continue to love me
Never misjudge the most faithful heart of your beloved.
Ever thine
Ever mine
Ever ours"

- Ludwig van Beethoven

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Gennifer Goodwin - "I would say that I love Rumpelstiltskin and Belle story." "This breathtaking scene between Robert Carlyle and Emile De Ravin made me cry upon reading the script." [on Gold's phone call to Belle]
Jane Espenson - "Yeah i ship them."
Adam Horowitz - "It was a beautiful thing to see the depths of love that one can have for another and that could mean is no matter what you face, no matter what you go through,you will never give up on the other person."
William Shatner - Shipping it and no one argues with the Captain
Jefferson/Mad Hatter - Because he helped Belle escaped
Prince Charming/David Nolan - Because he was Gold's wingman twice
Red/Ruby - Because she helped Gold find Belle
Grumpy - Because he gave Gold a potion to help Belle remember
Chip - Because this is the symbol of their True Love
Ariel - She helped Belle in showing Rumple is still alive
Archie - Officiated their wedding
Moe - Gave Belle away at their wedding

" There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. We love because he first loved us." - 1 John 4:18-19

"Belle is certainly the counterpoint to Gold. There’s no doubt about that. If there’s any possibility at all of Rumple or Gold changing, it’ll come through this character. She brings out the better side of him, and she’s the only one that can do that. She is his strength, in fact.”
― Robert Carlyle commentary from Girl Power Bonus Feature

"The theme of…this episode actually changed in the writing of it, which is very unusual on the show, ‘cause normally the guys know exactly what the episode’s about, and you go in knowing it and it never changes, but this one started out being about ‘Rumple chooses power over love’ and then I sort of realised during the writing of it, as I was going through drafts, and talking with the guys about it that that’s what Rumple wants to think he’s doing, but really it’s about that he doesn’t think he’s lovable or worthy of love. It just kept getting deeper and deeper as we worked with it. “
― Jane Espenson (writer), Skin Deep episode commentary

“I think he’d probably see, in his mind’s eye, nirvana for him with Belle, Bae, a castle, power—enough to take care of the kids—and be quite happy.”
― Robert Carlyle


"There won’t be uninterrupted happiness for Rumple and Belle until season seven.] “There will be a few children in between.”
― Emilie de Ravin

“To us it was a beautiful thing to see the depth of love that one can have for another, and that what that can mean is, no matter what you face, no matter what you go through, you will never give up on the other person if you really have that love and that belief in them.”
― Adam Horowitz

“She fell pretty hard and pretty quickly for him.
It was interesting for her to maybe not have the other person just react how she’s used to, like him just falling in love with her or you know being…basically not like him, that was really confused why this girl liked him at all. And I think that made her [fall in love with him] even more.”
― Emilie de Ravin at Comic Con (regarding Belle’s feelings for Rumplestiltskin)

"In terms of my career, that’s among the best 42 minutes of TV I’ve ever been involved in."
― Robert Carlyle ( concerning 'Skin Deep')

"Belle’s always been an independent woman, but she’s just always hanging out with Rumple. I don’t think that’s ever trampled on her independence. I think it’s almost lifted it in a sense."
― Emilie de Ravin

"But then we realized during the writing of it, as I was going through drafts and talking to the guys about it, that that's what Rumple wants to think he's doing...? But really, it's about that he doesn't think he's lovable. Or worthy of love. It just kept getting deeper and deeper as we worked with it."
- Jane Espenson (writer of 'Skin Deep')

"From the net and through twitter, I get such beautiful comments from people, hinting that they love this episode so much because it's proof that they could be loved."
- Robert Carlyle

"At the end of it all, he's got a really good heart, and he cares for her more than anything, and that's pretty obvious"
- Emilie de Ravin

A Dream Within a Dream
By Edgar Allan Poe

Take this kiss upon the brow!
And, in parting from you now,
Thus much let me avow:
You are not wrong who deem
That my days have been a dream;
Yet if hope has flown away
In a night, or in a day,
In a vision, or in none,
Is it therefore the less gone?
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream.

I stand amid the roar
Of a surf-tormented shore,
And I hold within my hand
Grains of the golden sand--
How few! yet how they creep
Through my fingers to the deep,
While I weep--while I weep!
O God! can I not grasp
Them with a tighter clasp?
O God! can I not save
One from the pitiless wave?
Is all that we see or seem
But a dream within a dream?

"I think that Happy Endings are, are earned. I don’t think they’re necessarily just given to you, you know just lying around."
- Robert Carlyle

"These two characters coming together, it’s the beast, but it’s Rumplestiltskin. I think it’s a fantastic dynamic, it’s such a fun relationship to play."
- Emilie de Ravin

“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
― 1 Corinthians 13:4

confessor_meggy

Beauty & The Beast

"I think true love is massive, y’know? And that’s a big part of it."
― Robert Carlyle

" Most of these fairytales and the characters phonetically all have a good message in there somewhere, like you look at Beauty and the Beast, it’s what’s in the inside that counts."
― Emilie de Ravin

"I really enjoyed preforming it and working with Emilie, but what no one could plan for was the reaction that that had, people were saying that this episode gives them hope that everyone has a chance to find love."
― Robert Carlyle

True Love Kisses












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"I love you, I love you, my heart is a rose which you have brought to bloom,
my life is a desert fanned by the delicious breeze of your breath, and whose cool spring are your eyes." - Oscar Wilde

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"He’s the only one love she ever has had"
― Emilie de Ravin

"Belle is Rumplestiltskin’s emotional centre, that’s what keeps him in the side of good. The closer he is to Belle, the better he is. The farther he gets away, the more dangerous he is for everyone"
― Robert Carlyle

"She’s the love of his bloody life, they’ve gone through Hell together. I guess that’s what love is. [Laughs] It’s not that easy.”
― Emilie de Ravin

“I would say that I love the Rumplestilskin-Belle story. I love the idea that he’s the Beast — and why not? There’s nothing in that story that implies that it could not have been the same Beast.”
― Ginnifer Goodwin

“She fell pretty hard and pretty quickly for him”
― Emilie de Ravin

“In the episode ‘Skin Deep’ you see Rumplestiltskin in all his glory — good, bad or otherwise.” After that aired, fans went wild. “They loved him for some reason. They felt for him and wanted him to find Belle and be happy. And he’s the monster.”
― Robert Carlyle

Reasons

Future Titles

"What? First you tell me I let the pirate live, and now you tell me I fall for the help?"
"What are you saying?" "Will you marry me?" Yes, yes yes"
"Sometimes the best book has the dustiest jacket. And sometimes the best teacup is chipped.”
"Your unwavering faith constantly astounds me."
"My walls were up. But you brought them down. You brought me home."
"You brought light into my life and chased away all the darkness."
"I owe more to you than I can ever say. How you can see the man behind the monster I will never know."
" But now I realize… I realize that I have not spent my life losing you. I’ve spent my life finding you."
"I will never comprehend why you continue to stand by my side."
"Your unwavering faith constantly astounds me."
"I love him. All of him. Even the parts that belong to the darkness."
"What you're giving me is more than I can ever give you."
"Now we're married." - "Now we're married." - Robert and Emilie
"The man beneath the monster may be flawed, but we all are. And I love you for it." - Belle
"Sometimes the best book has the dustiest jacket, and sometimes the best teacup is chipped." - Belle
"We were both genuinely kind of teary" "Yeah" - Robert and Emilie regarding the wedding
"The Belle and Rumple Show" "Rumbelle" "Rumbelle" - Robert and Emilie
"Belle knows this is a dangerous person to even be with at all. But she’s tried to see through, see behind the monster. And she’s got closer than anyone has in hundreds of years.” - Robert Carlyle
"Their love and their relationship is so strong and it was so wonderful to see them coming together like this at the end" -Adam
"I mean these two just break my heart and these vows are so beautiful…" -Eddy
I wish I could turn back the clock. I'd find you sooner and love you longer.
"Why would you do that? I mean, with that object-" - "They still won't be able to harm you."?
The reason it hurts so much to separate is because our souls are connected
Maybe we've lived a thousand lives before this one and in each of them we've found each other.

Belleislove

Thank you for the new thread!

confessor_meggy

You are welcome

He's definetely silly, but I don't think he doesn't think Belle loves him. I think he believes she loves him because of what HE SHOWED HER TO BE. I think he's still convinced she doesn't know him fully/understands his good and bad parts. Especially after Zelena and the wedding, he literally pull up a wall and pretended to be someone else when he was with her, lying to her and everything. I think he's convinced that once she'll see him for who he is she won't love him anymore

Belleislove

Good point.
And I've always thought Belle was more upset that he had lied to her than anything. That he couldn't confide in her and trust her not to leave him when she found out what he needed to do. And she would, frankly, have found a way to do it without hurting anyone. It's his deceit and her belief that this must mean he doesn't love her more than power that brought her to her boiling point.

Grace52373

When you consider the years of abuse compounded by his curse what you have is a man who like most abused people is an appeaser of sorts. Having the DO in him doesn't make it obvious but if you think about it, Rumple has this fear that he will be abandoned or be thought of as less than or not enough because of his past so he tends to try to appease others by being what he thinks they want so they won't leave him. Now deep inside the human part of Rumple is the man Belle sees and loves along with his impish side but twice she left him when she has seen his darker side which unintentionally feeds that fear of his. He thinks he is a monster and a coward and that as long as he is cursed, he cannot be good or change at least not completely. His love for Bae and Belle enables him to do good but than his curse takes over and he does something bad. He has tried to tell Belle several times that the monster, meaning his curse, is still there but she thinks that he has the power to choose good when it is more complicated than that. His free will is compromised due to the curse. He is not like Hook and Regina who can decide to change and do it with a few slip ups, he literally cannot do it!

Taken all that, Rumple tries to appease Belle and the heroes by trying desperately to fight his curse and do good because he doesn't want to lose those he loves. Season 4 was him giving up because no matter what he did, it ended up badly and he lost hope. He needed Belle so he lied and put on an I have changed mask and Zelena doesn't affect me anymore mask in order to appease Belle and be the man he thinks she wants but knows he cannot. He fears letting her see the real him because he knows that people hate the weak and the sickly. He hides his real feelings and fears because Milah and Pan scorned him for that and even though pre Zelena, he began to believe Belle wouldn't do that, after Zelena, he lost all hope and thought that if he let Belle know his pain and his plans which I doubt Belle could have helped him find another way according to the apprentice, she would leave him. He than pretended to be the strong man who has changed for the better because he cannot live without Belle.

Belleislove

HIs fear of abandonment is self-fulfilling. He has literally forced Belle to leave him because his actions were so bad that not even the best woman in the world would have stayed with him. Maybe sub-consciously he was trying to make her leave because he really feels he doesn't deserve her? I don't know. But the thing is, Belle does love all of him, but when faced with pretty strong proof that he would never choose her and he was trying to murder people and trick her, there wasn't much else she could do.

He has always pushed Belle away. And she wasn't wrong to leave any time he's done it. I don't know anyone personally who would have stayed in that situation. But she always comes back. Just like in the finale, once he collapsed on the floor, she had figuratively, imo, come back to him.

Seamstress90

TFTNT!

I don't think Rumple thought that Belle doesn't love him, either. I think he just didn't believe that their love/marriage would be strong enough to endure his mistakes and weaknesses. I mean, his first wife didn't even try to understand him, even though he told her why he did what he did, and he had good intentions (mashing his leg so he could be a father to his son). I guess Rumple was expecting to receive similar treatment from Belle if he had told her the truth.

I guess those two just didn't know each other so well, after all. Belle doesn't really know what Rumple is like without magic/the DO, she just has a hunch about it. And in 4a, Rumple saw a side of Belle that he didn't know existed. That's why I think they now have a chance to have a better and more honest relationship. Rumple can no longer hide behind magic/the DO, and he's more aware of Belle's insecurities as well.

crazy_diamond

agreed, it some instances they know each other so well, but in other's they do not....they seriously need a "lay all out in the open" talk

TFTNT meggy

Seamstress90

Yep. They BOTH have been hiding their insecurities from each other, which put them BOTH under pressure, which lead them BOTH to make bad choices and hurt each other. They BOTH need to learn to open up/communicate better with each other.

Belleislove

Why does that sound smutty?

They do need to talk. I don't necessarily think Belle should just forgive him for all his lies and the things he did but I think they should discuss why he couldn't be honest with her. Not saying that's Belle's fault at all that he couldn't be honest with her. That's on him.

But they both are insecure obviously. She needs to have him tell her and assure her that he loves her more than his power even though from all appearances he doesn't. We know he does but if I were Belle I would have doubted that too.

And he needs to have her tell him that she can handle the darkness as long as he is honest with her and doesn't play her for a fool which is how it came across quite a bit in 4A.

I'm not sure why we should hope that the show will have them working together on their issues. But I still hope anyway.

He's going to probably be going through withdrawals and Belle will need to be his strength but he will also need his own strength. He can't put Belle in that position of being his crutch and she can't let him do it.

I wish they would realize that these two working together as a married couple and dealing with their issues, no matter how messy, is far more compelling than the constant separations and him being Mr. Evil with every new villainess in town.

CityGal

TFTNT

Don't forget to post a link on the Board Guide to keep RB updated.

Grace52373

I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn't saying Belle was at fault although she made mistakes as well or that she was wrong for leaving. As to her forgiving, I think she has and I think she will when she finds out everything.
I was just trying to get in Rumple's head and explain what he believed. It is going to take more than a few I love yous to heal Rumple because anyone who was in an emotionally abusive or any type of abusive relationship takes a long time to trust and heal. I know someone who was and that person still struggles with trust and with the truth at times.

One of the mistakes Belle made was thinking that her love could heal him and make him a better person. I am not saying she tried to change him but she took it on as my love can heal him and in that she lost herself. She can't heal him. He needs to heal himself. Her love and support can help him but it won't cure him. Even being without the curse won't heal him because his scars started long before the curse. He needs to believe that someone can love him and she needs to realize that she can't completely heal him. True love is not a cure-all especially for someone as emotionally damaged as him and if Belle is determined to be with him, I hope she understands that just because her love can't heal him, it doesn't make their love any less a true love.

confessor_meggy

^ Oh I always forget that, on my way

I totally agree

Well tecnically she did find another way, which was having the apprentice clear his heart with the hat. It would have costed him his powers, but he would have been freed. They didn't know the hat couldn't indeed contain the DO curse, so that could have been a possible solution.


and that's why the song "Only foolish people fall in love" is very true

linnki

Ready for the next mad lib? It's quite a bit longer, so I'm thinking everybody supplies maybe three or four words? Here goes. I need:

14 verbs
17 nouns
2 adjectives
2 physical or mental states of being (such as sad, sick, happy, healthy, etc.)
1 command
1 exclamation
1 place
1 character name
1 sound (for example, aah, grr, hmm)

Thanks for the plug of our mad libs game on the OUAT Survivor thread, City Gal!