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OUAT Spoilers & Speculation Thread #91: "Someone we all should fear."
credit: MaybeLove. CAST Jennifer Morrison as Emma Swan Ginnifer Goodwin as Snow White/Mary Margaret Josh Dallas as Prince Charming/David Robert Carlyle as Rumplestiltskin/Mr. Gold Lana Parrilla as Evil Queen/Regina Jared Gilmore as Henry Emilie de Ravin as Belle Colin O'Donoghue as Captain Hook Michael Raymond-James as Baelfire/Neal CREW Adam Horowitz, executive producer and writer Jane Espenson, writer Liz Tigelaar, writer Andrew Chambliss, writer promotional pictures of the cast Comic Con Posters Show Posters Official Season Two Posters Master storytellers Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz ("Lost," "Tron: Legacy") invite everyone to Storybrooke, Maine, a small town that probably won't show up on one's GPS, but it's a place where magic is coming! UPCOMING EPISODES PAST THREAD __________________
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About the Greg/Tamara/Pan stuff that cropped up at the end there in the last thread: It was explicitly said that Greg and Tamara don't know who they're working for, and that the destruction of Storybrooke was a distraction so that they'd have time to carry out their true set of (possibly new) instructions from the Home Office: abduct Henry. __________________
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Yet I believe going Neverland is Hook's idea. He knows Rumple will come after Henry, so he can skin his crocodile there. Peter Pan might be a kidnapper in flashbacks, but if he's out there alive in present day, he could be a game-changer in the good ones' side, not necessarily a villain in charge of the abduction.
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^ Adam and Eddy have flat-out said that Peter Pan's an antagonist; not only did they specifically identify him as the person to whom Rumple refers in the finale (the quote from which this thread takes its subtitle), they've also clearly given him traits and characteristics lifted from the antagonistic character of Lord Ombra.
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I'm psyched to have a strong villain in the 3rd season. Greg and Tamara didn't work for me as villains, so I'm excited to see someone like Cora back on our screens, or even more powerful. Just please, no redemption... is it to much to ask that one villain stay a villain? Don't get me wrong I love my gray anti-villains, Rumple & Regina, but I think season 2 suffered because a strong villain was lost after Cora was killed and Adam & Eddy didn't now what to do after 2x16 so they came up with, IMO, lame villains. I'm curious to see Peter and what they do to him. I love PP but it'll be interesting to see this version of him.
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Due to the direction my fav show is taking I decided to read the written Peter Pan by JM Barrie. I want to know the story as written rather than as depicted by Disney or the movie Hook, or plays. The book plays Peter off as rogue type boy who is conceited and angry, and wanting. He wants the care of a mother, but he wants to do only what he wants as well. He has to be the leader and doesn't seem to think very much past what he is doing. He never considers what will happen to others around him. He demands loyalty from his lost boys. The Peter I'm reading about is very like middle schoolers I've worked with, a boy who is on a hormonal verge.
I can so see the S3 Peter Pan being the antagonist. Also I can see that he will not be all bad either. One of those people who, when we find out their backstory, well we have sympathy for them. Peter Pan did loose his family so long ago that he can no longer remember them. |
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I like Peter Pan at least in the Disney Version he was a kid who just wanted to have fun. I didn't see anything to negative about his character with the exception of refusing to grow up but I could understand it
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Thanks for the new thread!
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In reading JM Barrie's version, Peter is like a 13 year old of today IMO. He is quick to fight and then to rescue. He looks at everything that could happen to him as an adventure. For example, in the chapter where he is on a rock soon to be overcome by the tide, he recues Wendy first then awaits his death only to say, "to die shall be an awfully big adventure."
JM Barrie writes the book with an adult's abilities but keeps the child's mind-set so this makes for some unusual qualities of Peter only because of the way they are described. I see it as an exageration in the mind. He writes things like, "I will kill him" but then it is just like the thoughts we all have, only Peter says them out loud. Actually I think that the Disney version is quite true to the nature of Peter. He may be a bit more mean spirited in the book though. Peter is like someone who does not watch their mouth, who lets words fly before they think on them. Peter is like this in all ways. Those qualities could make for a character/antagonist of depth. His connection with Hook, what if Hook had his leadership of Neverland stolen from him by Peter? His connection with Rumple, what if Peter made some deal with the Dark One to go to Neverland? Wasn't Ruby's boyfriend, the one she killed, wasn't his name Peter as well? A funny thing reading a book written around the turn of the century 1902, the words used mean different things. I thought not much about the "gay children", but when I read about the "fairies coming home from an orgy" I just about spit my wine out on my book. rotfl And btw TinkerBelle uses much profanity in the book version only we don't read it because she is speaking farie. |
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He's about 13 years old? That would be quite close to Bae's age. He's supposed to stay at that age forever because that's Neverland's attraction to him, an everlasting childhood that he pursued for. If he had grown up and gone sophisticated, he would be out of character.
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(Ahem) The Lost Boys are dead children (this is implied in some of how they became "Lost"). They have adventures in Neverland until they are ready to move on. Although, being in a limnal state, Wendy, as a mother figure (Wendy also occupies a limnal state as a girl on the verge of womanhood. She is still capable of entering the children's refuge of Neverland yet also capable of tapping the life giving powers of an adult woman) is able to restore the Lost Boys to the land of the living. Peter, however, chose his state. While touched on in a very indirect way, Peter, upon hearing of all the duties and responsibilities of adulthood decides to never grow up. By implication, he chose death, even if he did not comprehend what that means. Hence, he exists in a purgatorial state, unable to move on, as the Lost Boys do, yet unable to face the land of the living. Just to add my own two cents, since I was reading a lot of Hamish Macbeth mysteries (I started them because Robert Carlyle played him in the TV show and got hooked) when I came across this and they keep mentioning the Celtic belief that the dead can come back as animals (there are some suspicions in Hamish's town about his rather odd pets), that the Lost Boys might touch on this, too. I'm only going by the Disney movie (I need to reread the book). The boys all have their animal motifs in that, but I can never remember if it's in the book or not. Just to mention, although Tinkerbell is very much a Victorian fairy, older fairy legends associate them with the Land of the Dead (green, the fairy color, was the Celtic color of death). |
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