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Old 05-08-2007, 08:13 AM
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I just think this is the saddest, least constructive way to look at things. What a sad world it would be if we went around shoving away the good stuff we do get just because it's not exactly what we wanted or all we expected.



Who says Christopher is being "payed" for anything? He's been there more for his daughter in the last two seasons, and he's finally showing up for a big event in his daughter's life. It sounds to me like he's finally stepping up and doing what's expected, not getting "rewarded" for something. And he's also had to face the fact that Lorelai doesn't want him and the death of the Chris and Lor 4-Eva fantasy.

And it's Luke Lorelai loves in the end. It's Luke who gets to celebrate with the girls and everyone important to them in the finale. It's Luke who gets the last "family" scene with the girls in the diner. Sounds to me like Luke wins--if it even is a contest.

I'm not saying my way to look at things it's the appropriate one,but it's the way I feel.

I think that the most successfull thing that could happen to a show is to lead people to like it for different reasons, because that means that it has given many hints and viewers chose wich one they prefer or they dislike based on their personal way to look at things, that I can guess it could be related to each one life and stuff.

I've never pretended that people had to agree with me,but I've never told to anyone that his own way to feel and look at something was the less construtive one, because it's not my way to approach other people's opinions, but that only lead me to confirm that we're all different, and we all deal with things in a different way.

About Christopher :

for me Christopher had enough time on screen this year, it is a non sense that Lorelai in a letter mentioned Luke as Rory's father figure and he isn't there.Christopher is Rory's father,and has every right to be there, not that I would have counted on it, but he will be there for the graduation, I say FINALLY he's into something important for his daughter.

Christopher as a father..I should say too many things but let me say the C/R relationship for me is one of the point hasn't been threated the way it should have been, the relationship is being closed with Rory telling her mother that she was by her side and not because she had to, but because she wanted too, and that's enough for me.

Logan went to Lorelai asking "the permission" to marry her..should I add something?

Did Christopher had a talk with Rory about the wedding ?and as long as I can remember Lorelai told him that she was kind of upset..and I could go on and on, so he's there and the fact that Rory inform her mother about him coming to the graduation, let me think that it's like an occasion maybe she didn't even expect it from him, and a daughter should have the right to have some expetactions from hes parents.

About Luke winning at the end...I see it differentlly.
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:15 AM
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I'm grateful for all of Luke's rants. Two of my favs -- Teach Me Tonight and the long overdue rant at Anna in KPK. Also liked the very sexy rant in the limo.
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:17 AM
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Ausiello report (LINK):


"Gilmore Girls' Demise Delays AR Ep 11!

More fallout from the 11th hour cancellation of Gilmore Girls: This week's Ausiello Report vodcast had to be scrapped and re-shot to address the late-breaking development (and work in a very special guest). As a result, Episode 1.11 — originally scheduled to go up today — will now go live tomorrow morning. Sorry for the inconvenience, but, well, desperate times call for desperate measures."



I wonder who his "very special guest" will be in the vodcast, hmmmm....
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:18 AM
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Why isn't we can't just stick to a discussion of the spoilers or people's feelings/opinions about how and why the show is ending.

I just don't get the need for anyone to come here and tell anyone else that the way they look at things is "sad" or that people should "get it into their heads" - what is the urge to analyze and critique people's reactions to this thing all about?

Everyone is all over the map with what is happening and I for one find it incredibly condescending to read these sorts of remarks.

So - I wonder who Lorelai is talking to when Luke overhears her. If it is Rory, I can see him getting hurt and upset; if it is Kirk (or one of the other goofy gossipy townies) I would hope that by now Luke would see through that and realize she is probably just covering because of who she is talking to -

I hope this episode ends with some sort of clarity of this thing - though if it is clear up, why would the kiss be an unexpected reaction? Curious.
Why is it that I can't comment on people's comments or suggest (suggest, not dictate) another way of looking at things without being called condescending?

I'm not trying to dictate what anyone else says. It just seems like it might help us all feel better if we focused on the positive stuff that's hapened--like with the Grateful List--and the good stuff we're going to get--Rory's graduation celebration(s), the L/L kiss and reunion--rather than focusing on unpleasant stuff from the past or stuff we didn't get (which we may not have gotten in the first place).
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:18 AM
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So - I wonder who Lorelai is talking to when Luke overhears her. If it is Rory, I can see him getting hurt and upset; if it is Kirk (or one of the other goofy gossipy townies) I would hope that by now Luke would see through that and realize she is probably just covering because of who she is talking to -

I hope this episode ends with some sort of clarity of this thing - though if it is clear up, why would the kiss be an unexpected reaction? Curious.
I suspect that maybe Patty and Babette corner her and she denies it so that she won't give a reason for the gossip to start again.
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:19 AM
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Who says Christopher is being "payed" for anything? He's been there more for his daughter in the last two seasons, and he's finally showing up for a big event in his daughter's life. It sounds to me like he's finally stepping up and doing what's expected, not getting "rewarded" for something. And he's also had to face the fact that Lorelai doesn't want him and the death of the Chris and Lor 4-Eva fantasy.
Lets wait and see how much screentime he has with his so beloved daughter and what the content will be. Honestly I doubt he'll spend more time with her than with LOR.

He was there for his daughter this season ?? Where did you see that ? When he eloped with her mother and best friend ? When he changed her room without even consulting her ? When he was there for her during Richard's health crisis ? When he sat down with her to talk about the break up with her mother ?
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I just think this is the saddest, least constructive way to look at things. What a sad world it would be if we went around shoving away the good stuff we do get just because it's not exactly what we wanted or all we expected.

Please allow other fans the right to process this loss in their own time. It's not up to you to declare what is the appropriate way to grieve for the end of something that's been in their lives for seven years.

I don't know why you insist on passing judgement on posters who aren't on the same page as you yet.
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:21 AM
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About Luke being hurted by Lorelai's comment:

maybe not rationally it could hurt hearing it doesn't matter to whom she tells, but my spec is Sookie.
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:23 AM
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Maybe it's DR's turn to talk. I would like it to be SP but i seriously doubt it.

Who here wants to bet that every answer in his AA will be "watch the vodcast for more"?
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:24 AM
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Special guest? maybe it's DR ... or Sean Gunn (he must know a lot about this )
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:25 AM
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i always thought that season 7 would be the last so i'm not that suprised, i'm just glad that L/L will get their happy ending.
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:26 AM
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My take on this recurring thing ... What I might find condescending someone else might find the best post in quite some time. So my suggestion, just mine, not telling anyone what to do ... at all! is to maybe just skip those posts you find offensive, condescending, boring, annoying or whatever ... I guess there is some for anyone outthere to shrug off

So someone feels differently and thinks there might be another way of looking at things. So what? It's not as if that person can unvalidate someone elses feelings. Those feelings do not exist only with the approval of someone else. Just my take on it ...

Back to the real matters! I am hoping for ASP! Yeah yeah Bring her on!!! Give me those final 4 ... nah ain't gonna happen. I think it will be DR ...
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:26 AM
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Who says Christopher is being "payed" for anything? He's been there more for his daughter in the last two seasons, and he's finally showing up for a big event in his daughter's life. It sounds to me like he's finally stepping up and doing what's expected, not getting "rewarded" for something. And he's also had to face the fact that Lorelai doesn't want him and the death of the Chris and Lor 4-Eva fantasy.
He's being "paid" by being in loads and loads of scenes of the Chris/Lor show. As a viewer and a single parent, I find him offensive and

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And it's Luke Lorelai loves in the end. It's Luke who gets to celebrate with the girls and everyone important to them in the finale. It's Luke who gets the last "family" scene with the girls in the diner. Sounds to me like Luke wins--if it even is a contest.
So what? It's TV, and we don't see that. What we saw was a year full of Christopher. Not merely a sad year of LL apart, but an offensive year that destroyed much of the show's heart - and having loved the whole show, I wish I'd never seen the last two years, so I could keep what I once had.

I don't care who "wins". I watched a story and characters who moved me and made me care. Then they sullied and defiled it and I waited for them to put it right. That will never happen now, the balance will never be brought back, we're left with Lorelai probably still married to Christopher. With her never waking up, not even learning how to not be friends with him.

There's two elements here. I've asked myself how I'd feel if they'd only put the brakes on the LL story and it never went further, put aside to be reunited in the last episode. Yes, I'd be disappointed. But that's only one part.

There's also the defilement of seeing her with Christopher - for those of us who feel that way. We'll never know the percentages, but it's clear a significant number of viewers feel that way, with good reason, and those feelings were trampled on and ignored by the show this year. LG's interview gave a glimmer of the possible thinking - which ignored, not just the show's history but everything we saw the two men be and do for seven years. Actresses don't need to remember everything, or anything if they don't want to, but for heaven's sake, if you're going to be a producer - heck, if you go public assuring everyone that you'll work to keep the show true to its roots, as LG did when the Palladinos left - then do go back and refresh your memory first.

It's TV - so Christopher won in that he got lots of scenes this year, scenes that shrugged off his 22 years of neglect and selfishness as if they didn't matter, and also demeaned Lorelai with some of the most brain-dead lines ever, on a once-intelligent show famed for its dialogue.

We're left without a resolution, without even sufficient scenes to cleanse those memories. It's not a ballgame, it's not about the final score.
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:31 AM
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I wonder who his "very special guest" will be in the vodcast, hmmmm....
Thanks for bringing that over. I don't even want to start guessing who it will be. LG, DR, ASP? I hope they end up telling us more than, "We all tried" or "It'll be a satisfying finale."

Ausiello seems like he's planning to get as much out of the cancellation as possible, for him. After GG's done, half his readers will probably be gone, anyways.

I want him to talk more about the finale script and his opinions on it in AA or the vodcast.
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Old 05-08-2007, 08:35 AM
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Yeah, it could be Sookie because I can't imagine she could tell anyone who was there with a straight face that it didn't mean anything. Although I have to admit, Zach came off as bizarrely clueless - I mean the guy was sittin' right there and he didn't notice anything??

All I'm sayin' is people should just feel what they are feeling without having anyone "suggest" they could look at it another way or approach it so they feel better - I highly doubt anyone here is that dense that they don't know for themselves there are other ways of looking/feeling/approaching this - if they wanted to look at differently, I'm confident they would. And, I'm out on this subject.

I started today's grateful list because I wanted to think about the things that I didn't hate this year - it wasn't much of a list, but it was something I hadn't focused on before.
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