Frank Castle & Karen Page
[ J o n B e r n t h a l • D e b o r a h A n n W o l l ]
THE 4th APPRECIATION THREAD







"Almost took the shot."-"Can I ask you why you didn't?"-"Because I believe you. You're honest. You never lie to me."

the fans;
01. Liability
02. MyLastDayWithoutYou
03. baelfire24
04. val ღ
05. hannahfan
06. albion_princess
07. Heidsdk
08. Chasity05
09. Fooltocry
10. Static Waves
11. ~MelBelle~
12. CloisFan
13. desigal
14. Nothing Else Matters
15. L i N d $ @ y
16. fractured moonlight
17. xlennie
18. cutie_pie04
19. **confessa
20. *Dark_Angel*4eva
21. stlavin95
22. chasing the sun
23. Nici Dawson
24. straws
25. Hipkarrma
26. SuitUp
27. LOVE everybody
28. Foxie
29. eternalfate

"What’s great about the character of Karen, and what’s so beautiful about the way that Deborah Ann plays her, is that she cracked me open and she gets in there. She’s relentless, and she’s strong. For Frank, he really looked at that character as, he swore to himself no one would ever affect him again. He would never have any emotion except for loss, and anger, and rage, and pain. Here’s this character, all of a sudden, that he’s talking to and that’s opening him up...Deborah Ann, she’s such a joy to work with, and a wonderfully, wonderfully talented, smart actress."

JON BERNTHAL

the videos;
Heal
Can't Pretend
smokestacks
Hero or Monster?
thank you ma'am
and you caused it
you were a kindness
honest
Pieces (Why do you care so much?)
explosions
couldn't stop caring
"point is, you were safe."
we might not make it home tonight
whispers of hope
Recovery
warrior
you make me feel again
young god
cold and warm

"The relationship [between Frank and Karen] can be one of admiration, and distaste. It's a very interesting, complex relationship."

DEBORAH ANN WOLL

the future titles;
"All of them, they all think you're a monster. But I know that you're not."
"Why do you care so much about Frank Castle? Why do you still care?"-"Because he's not a psycho murderer!"
"Frank Castle's family being gunned down is not a mistake, it's a massacre."
"Thank you ma'am. You helped me remember."
"You were never in any danger...I wanted you to know that."
"Maybe it's not your first rodeo."-"Maybe it isn't."
"You have everything. So hold on to it. Use two hands and never let go."

"But Karen can [see the gray area with Frank].Because if Frank Castle is a monster, then maybe that means Karen is a monster. So she has to fight for him. . So she has to say: 'I may not like what you do, I may not agree with it, or maybe I do, but I understand it. I understand that just because you do something that I find distasteful, or despicable or even terrorism, you are a human being with motives. You are not just a monster.'"

DEBORAH ANN WOLL

""When Castle rejects both Nelson and Murdoch—the actual lawyers—and chooses to speak to Karen about the case, this is why. It’s not because she’s the woman, or because he wants to apologize for terrifying her with a shooting spree; it’s because she alone was willing to go to his house and engage with the humanity that was taken away from him. Castle is willing to spill his family’s tragedy to Daredevil because he’s half-dead and the cops are on the way—it’s entirely possible that this will be his last chance to tell his story. Here the show is telling us something sad, explaining pain through a monologue. But Karen’s silent tour of Castle’s home is the show trusting us to experience that pain. We’re expected to allow Castle’s loss to enter our own minds without the mediation of an actor monologuing. This is the scene that gives us the real weight of Castle’s loss, and shows us why he became the Punisher. By structuring this arc in this way, the audience is allowed to connect the dots as Frank speaks. We can see him sitting in his daughter’s room, refusing to read her book. We can see that this space has become sacred in his mind, and so we jolt when we realize, along with him, that Karen has been there.Matt attempts to become the Punisher’s Father Confessor; Fisk treats him like an attack dog he can unleash; Foggy begins and ends openly terrified of him. Karen, on the other hand? She defends him to Matt, rejecting all of his good Catholic attempts to push her into agreeing with him, and remain the sweet girl she is in his mind—she even allows this argument to ruin their second date. She’s the one who talks Frank through the arguments Matt and Foggy make on his behalf, to make sure he understands. She insists that he has a moral code—and that’s after he pursued her through a hospital like The Terminator. She’s the one he comes to after his escape from prison, and she’s the only one who wouldn’t shoot on sight when he turns up at her door. He even listens to her when she tries to talk him out of killing."

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the past threads;
#1: "You stay. Please."
#2: "Because I believe you. You're honest. You never lie to me."
#3: "All of them, they all think you're a monster. But I know that you're not."
#4. "I asked to have her because she and Frank are so great. (...) this is a woman he treats like an equal more than anyone else."

" People that can hurt you, the ones that can really hurt you, are the ones that are close enough to do it. People that get inside you and tear you apart, and make you feel like you're never gonna recover."