[Chris]

Welcome to the Voyager thread

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Previous threads: 17, 16, 15, 14 13, 12 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5

Future title suggestions:
I never realized I had such dark impulses
without the darkness, how would we recognize the light?

[Chris]

Grabbed this from the OP. If somebody has another suggestion, feel free to speak up.



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[sum1]

I found 7 of 9 to be cold and nasty in a way that left her dehumanized. If you add that to the way she was sexualized, you've got a clear picture of objectification. I think she was the biggest problem in Voyager. There are a lot of Star Trek characters who are compromised in their humanity or don't understand humanity, but usually their element of coldness is offset by a deeper humanity and sympathy. Nimoy's Spock, Data, Odo, Saru, etc. But 7 was just cold, there was no deeper humanity, no particular sympathy. She was totally unrelatable. And that ridiculous outfit suggested that her purpose on the show was something other than being an interesting character. Contrast with Kira and Jadzia on DS9, who had so much personality and who were so relatable. Imagine how thrilled I was when 7 turned up in Picard season 1 acting like a real person. I could relate to her!

[crazy_diamond]

TFTNT Chris!

[Chris]

Originally Posted by sum1 (View Post) I found 7 of 9 to be cold and nasty in a way that left her dehumanized.

Wasn't that part of the point at the beginning? To show how her time as a Borg had almost completely eradicated her humanity.

[crash landing]

So The Maquis seems am up to a 2 parter on DS9 for it this should be interesting to learn a bit of background cause all I know is from the pilot of Voyager

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quite a bit of Marquis stuff in Voyager

[sum1]

Originally Posted by Chris (View Post) Wasn't that part of the point at the beginning? To show how her time as a Borg had almost completely eradicated her humanity.

There are different ways that could have been portrayed. For example, in TNG Data was supposed to have been without emotion, but Brent Spiner put an undercurrent of sympathetic emotion into his performance nonetheless, giving the character its charm. There was a similar situation with Spock. But 7 of 9 was portrayed with nothing relatable.

[Chris]

To me, Seven was most relatable when she was interacting with the EMH. They had a definite connection in trying to figure out how to get along with the human crew.

[Waldfrau]

Good thread title! How come we're already on #17?

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Yeah we've gone through them

[Chris]

We have a lot of Voyager fans around here.

Glad you like the title.

[BlackWhiteRose]

Originally Posted by Chris (View Post) To me, Seven was most relatable when she was interacting with the EMH. They had a definite connection in trying to figure out how to get along with the human crew.

Aww I loved that too

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Had a lovely friendship..

[Chris]

Yes, they did have a great friendship. both characters needed a friend, and they were the perfect match.