Chris

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Chris

I kind of like this Spock quote from Beyond for the title, but it can be revised if others would prefer something else.

Trollheart

As I can't reply to the other thread which is now closed, just wanted to clear that up with crazy-Diamond. When asked "any titles" I thought they meant for the gifset. Didn't realise it was an advanced question for an upcoming opening thread. Just shows what can happen when you're new. Sorry all. Mea culpa or something.

crazy_diamond

TFTNT Chris and title :hogh_five:

Chris

Whoops, I see now that sum suggested
from The Final Frontier. I'll change it now. We can use the Spock quote another time.

Trollheart

Don't mean to be pedantic, but isn't the quote
"Captain?"
"Spock, we're on leave. Call me Jim."
"Jim?"
"Yes Spock?"
"Life is not a dream."
"Go to sleep, Spock."
"Yes, Captain."

I don't believe there are any buts in it, much less two.
Maybe it doesn't matter, but I've checked it just now and the above is the quote.

crazy_diamond

No worries Chris

Chris

Trollheart, I see your point.

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so ... they have different connotations. Which one do we prefer?

Trollheart

I'd be interested in hearing comments on this.

When the first Trek movie was made, there was a healthy return (B for Budget, BX Box Office, P Profit, figures in millions of dollars; all figures taken from Wikidpedia)

The Motion Picture
B = 44
BX = 139
P = 95

Wrath of Khan did slightly poorer but still good business
B= 12
BX = 97
P = 85

Search for Spock
B = 16
BX = 87
P = 71

The Voyage Home
B = 26
BX = 133
P = 107

Final Frontier
B = 33
BX = 63
P = 30

The Undiscovered Country
B = 30
BX = 97
P = 67

Generations
B = 35
BX = 118
P = 83

First Contact
B = 45
BX = 146
P = 101

Insurrection
B = 70
BX = 118
P = 48

Nemesis
B = 60
BX = 67
P = 7

Star Trek (Kelvin or whatever)
B = 150
BX = 386
P = 236

Into Darkness
B = 190
BX = 467
P = 257

Beyond
B = 185
BX = 344
P = 159

Other than the obvious things apparent here - that the final "original universe" movie was the biggest flop financially, taking in a mere 7 million, the one before it not doing much better and our friend Final Frontier doing particularly badly at the box office, and that the "reboots" have all had much bigger budgets and bigger returns - one thing is very clear: the "reboot" movies have, between the three of them, made almost as much as the entire ten series of movies before them. Yet the "original universe" ones had the advantage of having the fans of the original series (whether than be TOS/TNG) while the new ones sort of don't. What I mean is that the new ones came out at a time when there was no Trek series on the box, many reuse or reorder the Trek universe we've been used to, and yet they seem, on the face of it, far more popular in terms of box office returns, than any of the original ten. Why is that, do you think?

Is it because the new ones don't quite require the often-needed degree in Trekology to understand them? That the characters are presented more as kind of generic action heroes and their backstory not always that important? Or that they're primarily action movies set in space, and anyone can enjoy them? Is there more an appetite for Trek now than then, or is it just that people go to "blockbuster" movies more now? With such big budgets, of course better effects can be produced and bigger directors and writers attracted, but is that it? Are they just the equivalent of shinier toys?

I remember seeing the first movie, thought it was all right. Second one I hated and the third I watched a few days ago as it was on the telly. Turned out to be a far better movie than I remembered, though I also recall I fell asleep during my first watching of it (also on telly). So why do we think these movies are more popular than the ones that have gone before them, or is there just a hunger now (or was there) with no actual official Trek on the small screen? Well, now there is but back then mostly there was not.

Any ideas or comments or debate certainly welcome.

Chris

On one hand it doesn't surprise me that Wrath Of Khan didn't do as well as TMP because a lot of people were disappointed in TMP. I'm surprised The Voyage Home didn't do a bit better after good word of mouth.

As to the Kelvin movies, I know a lot of people were initially wary of giving them a chance because they hadn't watched any of the Star Trek series. As you say, while there are references to past events, you don't need a degree in Trekology to understand them.

sum1

People are stupid, hence the box office figures for the various movies. Nemesis was one of the best, First Contact had that dreadful Borg Queen. That wasn't a suggestion. That was me replying to Tracey's post about Final Frontier. And of course I got the quote wrong. I was drawing it from memory.

Chris

Okay then. I'm going to go with the Spock quote, " Life is not a dream."

I don't know that I've ever made so many title changes to one thread.

crazy_diamond

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sum1

Ah yes, Jaylah. She was great. Sofia Boutella is a much better actress than she's generally given credit for, and even with a ton of alien makeup she's still damn good looking.

Chris

Jaylah was a terrific character. Loved her self confidence.