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The Lady & The Chauffeur {Sybil/Tom} #13: "I'd wait forever."
Welcome to the 13th Lady Sybil Crawley & Tom Branson Appreciation Thread  Credit to Shi_fs supporters: 001. memory91 002. LHScott 003. jules166 004. hlgreenie 005. safetywords 006. Amy 007. Let The Ball Drop 008. Sansa 009. prettytinydots 010. lipsticklullabies 011. Aphra8 012. shabbytiger79 013. lunaismyhero 014. lisztomania 015. savannahhershey 016. Idlelunatic 017. SoCal Gal 018. canadiangirl14 019. Guinevereღ 020. nothing-without-you 021. missbrunettgil 022. AragornsQueen 023. jean-grey 024. ~-Sarah-~ 025. kuni 026. LadySybilCrawley 027. Nick HeyRee 028. Fuzzybear 029. GSDfan 030. bobbintree 031. dabbyfanatic 032. dawntonabbey 033. aycarumba 034. baileycat 035. bijou156 036. Shi_fs 037. Skipmaus 038. Bekk 039. xXSTARwarsROXx 040. branson80 041. nitanita 042. JDD 043. ScarletCourt 044. Pinkink 045. queenofsarcasm 046. Beebbop 047. btvs-formerly cole's pheobe 048. *OldHollywoodStarlet* 049. HarshBench 050. cherrios 051. confessor_meggy 052. attract your dreams ♥ 053. DiamondDreaming  Credit to skipmaus Reasons why we ship them Because Allen Leech is the captain of the ship! Because they are steadfast in their love Because they defended their love to all those against them and won Because they are confident in their love for one another Because their love is based in friendship that has built up over many years Because he couldn't help overhearing that she was interested in Women's rights Because he looked through the window to see her new frock Because she was grateful for the pamphlets Because he brought her pamphlets to read Because she hopes that he does go into politics Because she doesn't want him to go to prison Because she is glad he won't die or go to prison Because he is her ticket Because he knows that she loves him Because she knows he'll make something of himself Because he will stay at Downton until she wants to run away Because she knows when he's angry and troubled Because she stood up for him against her father Because he was more scared she was hurt than at the prospect of losing his job Because they held hands so naturally Because she is always goes to the garage to seek him out Because he has promised to devote every waking moment to her happiness Because she touched his cheek Because she wants to know if he will wait a bit longer Because he would wait forever for her Because he is always staring at her when no one is looking Because he smiled when he saw her in the kitchen baking Because he knows she is enjoying her work as a nurse Because they can discuss things as equals Because he touched her waist and she felt the connection Because she is willing to give up her entire world to be with him Because all that matters is that they love each other Because she wanted to know why he made a promise to Carson and not to her Because she said "us" and didn't deny it Because she has feelings even though she's good at hiding them Because he has waited all this time and still can't believe she said yes Because she said he could kiss her Because all he wants to do is kiss her Because he slept on the chair and gave her the bed Because he can pay his own way Because she gave him her heart Because she will be true to him Because she has decided she is going to marry Tom! Because all he wants is to make her happy Because of the passion for their beliefs and each other. Because convention is merely a hurdle to be overcome rather than an insurmountable barrier to their hopes and desires Because he said she looked "very fine" and she didn't mind him checking her out Because she wondered where he had been all day Because they have their own theme music! Because she told her father that if he was fired she would run away Because he offered to teach her how an engine works Because he said it was up to her Because it cost him all he had to say those things to her Because if she didn't care she would have told on him all those months ago Because he's frightfully full of himself! Because he risked a broken heart and didn't care a damn for his job, as he loved her Because if Granny says Sybil's husband will tell her what her opinions are, then she must marry a man who shares the same opinions! Because they are a modern love story Because she knows her own mind Because he wants to make her happy more than anything else in the world Because she won't give him up! Because he knows she'll come the moment he calls Because even Granny admits he has many virtues Because of the way she said "and then we will marry" Because they were the only two people smiling and happy at the funeral Because her father gave them his blessing in the end Because he shook her father's hand Because they walked into their future hand and hand Because instead of saying Sybil/Branson, we can all say Sybil Branson Because even Cora started to shipping them after the news she was gonna be a granny Because "Ireland 2-Downton 0" Because Branson would always choose Love against Political Activism Because Allen wants Tom to say "Sybil, le permite desnudarse" Because the new Chauffer Robert hired is old and ugly Because they're married Because there is a baby on the way!  Credit to skipmaus Videos With or Without You • Goodnight & Go • Sybil & Branson • Swans • Truly Madly Deeply • I won't always be a chauffeur • Forever Yours • I will Return • Too Many Broken Hearts • Blue as your Eyes • Find a Way • Beautiful Stranger • The Lady and The Chauffeur • Collide • All This Time • Listen To Your Heart • Wherever You Will Go • Still learning how to love • Used To Be • S/T trailer (S3) fan-made Fan Fiction Period The Journey to Happiness • Things Left Unsaid • Lost Time • The Vow • Never Ashore • Winter Rain • Cravings • A Woman's Perogative • With Love From Dublin • hearts so lost as mine • Nothing's Real But Love Modern Moments • both alike in dignity Estimated Sybil/Tom Late S2 Timeline Thursday. Feb 27, 1919 - Matthew walks, Sybil makes her decision. Friday, Feb 28, 1919 - Bryant's visit and the failed elopement occurs Monday, April 7, 1919 - Letter arrives for Tom with job offer, S/T tells family Tuesday, April 8, 1919 - Robert/Violet confront Sybil Wednesday, April 9, 1919 - Robert offers Tom money. Monday, April 14, 1919 - S/T met at Lavinia's funeral. Wednesday, April 16, 1919 - S/T leave Downton for Ireland, overnights in Liverpool. Thursday, April 17, 1919 - S/T cross the Irish Sea and land in Dublin in evening. Sunday, May 18, 1919 - Sunday, June 1, 1919 - Banns are read at church Thursday, June 5, 1919 - S/T married. October 1919 - Sybil gets pregnant. late December 1919 - Sybil writes to her mother about the pregnancy that she only confirmed days before. Credit to ScarletCourt tumblr: fyeahsybilandbranson past threads: {1}{2}{3}{4}{5}{6}{7}{8}{9}{10}{11}{12} Current Sister Thread(s) on Downton Abbey Forum http://www.fanforum.com/f387/branson...mily-63050794/ http://www.fanforum.com/f387/branson...hree-63055611/ http://www.fanforum.com/f387/branson...bicon-63059980 __________________
I can listen no longer in silence. I must speak to you by such means as are within my reach. You pierce my soul. I am half agony, half hope. Tell me not that I am too late, that such precious feelings are gone for ever. - Captain Frederick Wentworth, Persuasion, Chapter 23 Scarlet|tumblr|Twitter|FF.net Last edited by ScarletCourt; 06-21-2012 at 03:09 PM |
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Back to the baby issue, I was thinking what a great opportunity this is for both of them as actors. As far as I know Allen has never played a father before and JBF is so young I imagine this is new for her too.
So if/when the Crawleys visit Dublin will they have to curb their Posh ways to keep from revealing Sybil's identity? |
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Thanks for the new thread!!!!
Also, I haven't said it before but I love the FA on the firts post <3 I think they SHOULD hide their noble status, but I see it difficult, especially for Mary (and Violet, if she'll ever really visit them). On the other hand if only Robert and Cora (or Cora and one of the sister) visits, I don't think it would be difficult to pretend they're just rich... __________________
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You do not bring ruin! You bring hope. You are naught but hope and life. You saved me, first time I ever laid eyes on you. That's who you are to me, who you'll always be. Rose  Bennett |
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I agree that Mary and Violet would likely have the most trouble, but they love Sybil and I think that Mary would be willing to do that for a short period of time for her sister. As for Violet, we've seen that Violet is willing to bend rules for people she cares about, surely for the safety of her granddaughter, she'd be willing. I always figured that Robert and Cora would be willing at the get go before I saw the C/S because he was willing to forgo using his library because Sybil wanted to let Gwen use it to do an interview with Mr. Bromwich. Now I doubt that Robert woud even go to Ireland, but I believe that Cora would be willing to be indulgent. __________________
I can listen no longer in silence. I must speak to you by such means as are within my reach. You pierce my soul. I am half agony, half hope. Tell me not that I am too late, that such precious feelings are gone for ever. - Captain Frederick Wentworth, Persuasion, Chapter 23 Scarlet|tumblr|Twitter|FF.net |
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In the CS it sounded like Cora was going to MAKE Robert go to Ireland. But I doubt Violet would go.
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Thank you for the new thread!
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I love how their relationship is real and they are like a partnership.
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I can listen no longer in silence. I must speak to you by such means as are within my reach. You pierce my soul. I am half agony, half hope. Tell me not that I am too late, that such precious feelings are gone for ever. - Captain Frederick Wentworth, Persuasion, Chapter 23 Scarlet|tumblr|Twitter|FF.net |
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I don't think Cora will force him to go to Dublin, but she'll definetely fight with him to have Sybil and Tom in Downton when the baby is on her/his way....
Also, I don't think woman had their babies at the hospital in thise time period, so the mother's family, especially if it was all women, would want to be with the mother for the delivery... __________________
I would see you kept safe from the sad havoc of this world. I will not bring my ruin upon you.
You do not bring ruin! You bring hope. You are naught but hope and life. You saved me, first time I ever laid eyes on you. That's who you are to me, who you'll always be. Rose Bennett |
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So I did a little research on class/economic distinctions in Victorian/Edwardian England.
As an Aristo Robert was at the top of the heap and made at least 100x what a journalist would make. But in moving from the servant class Tom became lower-middle-class, interestingly just one rather small step below what Lawyer Matthew had been in terms of class and income. A merchant was a step above a lawyer and just on step below an Aristocratic Landowner. It should be pointed out that Robert's class was the only one that didn't work for a living. It seems so weird to me that out of everyone these people should consider themselves above everyone else. Oh, and as for sexual mores, a well-bred girl like Sybil would not let it get past a lingering kiss and a hip caress (!). A working-class guy like Tom would get a pass on getting a girl preggers so long as he married her. Which is why, as much as I appreciate all the sexy fanfics I imagine they're pretty unrealistic. Sybil would NEVER let him feel her up before marriage. And while I'm sure they'll have a good love life it will take a little time and patience. Last edited by HarshBench; 03-26-2012 at 05:56 PM |
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From my research and some help from some of the former posters when I was writing much of my first draft, journalists in 1919ish made between £300-£500/year with £200/yr being the line between working class and middle class. Robert probably had between £50,000 and £100,000 per year income from Cora's fortune and the earnings of the estate. As a lawyer, Matthew probably made approx £1600 or so per year.
Yeah, Robert was wealthy enough to live off the proceeds of his land and the interest from Cora's fortune. Hence, he was a wealthy member of the peerage. As for sexual mores, Yeah, that's why it was such a huge deal when Pamuk got to Mary and why we saw Cora desperate to marry Mary off to anyone before the scandal got spread in the second half of S1. Sybil on the other hand is more rebellious on the one hand by marrying Tom, but likely less rebellious sexually which is where her line, "Yes, you can kiss me, but that is all until everything is settled," comes from. Trust me I enjoy a good sex scene between them. I've actually written out a first draft of their wedding night chapter already for my story, but I don't see them do more than inching closer to second base before their wedding night. __________________
I can listen no longer in silence. I must speak to you by such means as are within my reach. You pierce my soul. I am half agony, half hope. Tell me not that I am too late, that such precious feelings are gone for ever. - Captain Frederick Wentworth, Persuasion, Chapter 23 Scarlet|tumblr|Twitter|FF.net |
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I look forward to your wedding night fic!
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From Tom and Matthew's perspective, the difference in their incomes was significant. But from Robert's perspective it was negligible. He pisses away that amount in blink.
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In regards to Branson vs Matthew on the social ladder, I would hazard to say that Matthew is actually more than just one step above Branson. Keep in mind that aside from net yearly income there will also be factors of accumulation of wealth ie what did Branson and Matthew's fathers do for a living? Branson is probably the first in his line to break out of the working class, but Matthew's father was a doctor, and I would hazard that they actually come from a long line of doctors. They probably have quite a bit of capital saved that earn them interest every year because their family seems to have been in the middle class for quite sometime, thus Isobel's snippety "upper-middle class!" I would even venture that they owned a comfortable home in manchester. They had a maid and a cook as well.
This is another reason why Matthew would be more palatable in terms of marriage than Branson. Branson has just barely pulled himself up on another rung while Matthew's family has been in the upper-middle class bracket for some time. By the 1920's class and mobility was a much more fluid concept. We had people like the Skeltons who were being ousted by up and coming rich folk like Sir Richard. I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere down the line Robert had to sell off quite a bit of his land. I believe the 1920's were not a kind decade to the landed aristocracy. |
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I wonder if by becoming a politician he would be closer to Matthew in terms of money...I think the reporter job is just something he needed in order to not be in service anymore and have enough money/security to start a family, but I do think he'll jump into politics at somepoint....maybe then he'd be more suitable for the family?
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