Couples - Kevney #9 {Kevin Costner|Whitney Houston}: "I Kissed Her Once For America And Once For Myself" - Page 6

AchrisL · 04-22-2012, 06:45 PM

Whitney was through with BB in many ways but took the high road because he is Krissy's father.

he was driven by jealousy because her star didn't fade as quickly. And as Whitney told the judge when he tryed to get alimony out of her, (paraphasing) he has talkent, but it is his behavior that has cost him" and that is try. I have never denied his talent and ability, but bad behavior will make people sick and tired of you and if you keep it going too long they may not take you back period!

AchrisL · 04-22-2012, 06:54 PM

I will tell WB to do the director's cut.

Shiroja · 04-22-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Philo-Nantucket (View Post)

Cissy Houston was more well-known than John Houston. She more than likely earned more than he did as well. Although he was prominent in Newark and involved in civil rights causes, you never doubted who the man was in the relationship. We all know that Cissy is a very strong woman, but he was also a strong man. In their case, the marriage ended, but you never doubted John Houston's role. You can just tell by the way Whitney looks at him. She simply adored him. He was also very protective of her.

She did adore her dad and admitted that she was a daddy's girl. There's a 21 minute youtube interview where Whitney talks about herself (taken around 1989). She mentions her relationship with her parents, among other things. We get to know the real Whitney from this interview (at least who she was before the nightmarish Booby Clown years) --

Whitney Houston Interview Compact Disc

Another video (not sure whether it's been posted here yet) with precious photos of Whitney and her dad together --

Whitney Houston's Dad: John Houston - Forever Remembered

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Unfortunately, Bobby had made two families before he met Whitney, and he did not show the promise of doing anything different with her. He attempted to make a family with her before they were married. She admitted as much in the Arsenio interview. She abandoned those qualities she wanted in a mate for someone that was fun and all about a good time. There could have been many reasons for this. She was treated like royalty all time and perhaps she was tired of it. She also wanted to prove a point that Bobby and her had much in common. Her point is still missed on most of us.

Bobby needed to work. Time away would have probably undone the relationship faster. It would have given them the room to think, but I don't think she wanted that. Costner is not a man that can sit at home all the time, and most men are not that way. Her father was not that way.

She needed a man like Costner to match her power. She chose a guy who had no clue. The relationship ended his career, left her's dangling and both mired heavily in drugs.

She sure did abandon all the qualities she wanted in her mate for that selfish clown (and his whole parasite family); he was a little man with delusions of grandeur, and he did not deserve Whitney at all. Whitney wanted an escape from her squeaky clean pop-princess image and impossibly high expectations placed on her shoulders. She was tired of pleasing everybody, and perhaps felt the need to rebel. She chose Booby Clown as her perfect "F U" to everybody. Biggest mistake of her life - it was like cutting her nose to spite her face, sadly. The person who had to live with that incorrigible rat for 15 years was Whitney and she paid a heavy price for her rebellion - she lost her career, her image, and almost lost herself. Life is not all about fun and jokes and having a good time. When push comes to shove and the chips were down, Booby Clown not only failed to protect Whitney from the vultures, but he took advantage of her vulnerability when she was at her weakest. When his despicable sister Tina Brown sold Whitney out to the tabloids, Booby knew and did nothing about it. What kind of husband is that? And he wanted Whitney to make his awful reality show, which further tarnished her image (and many industry insiders say BBB was the final straw where her career was truly over). Geez. That selfish clown even tried to do a second season of that stupid show, but Whitney said "Hell to the NO!", put her foot down and blocked the release of the DVDs of the first season. Thank God Whitney's mind wasn't completely gone and even she didn't like what she saw of herself in that awful show!

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I think both of them had already experienced cocaine before they met each other. The use on her part may have been limited at first, but certainly she had two close brothers that battled drug addiction. Also the pressures of family can be too much. Whitney was a giver and perhaps to a fault. As Lauryn Hill said, every tub must stand on it's own bottom. A hand up is appropriate, but too many handouts can be draining, depressing and overwhelming.

Pressures of family (notice that Cissy Houston ALWAYS mentions that Whitney took care of her family - like it was expected of her), pressures from Clive Davis, pressures from supporting so many people....the show must go on, even when Whitney was tired. She HAD to tour. She had to keep the money rolling for everyone who depended on her (until the drug addiction took complete control of her life). Robyn Crawford said this in her last letter about Whitney -

"And we went around the world. I was her assistant and then her executive assistant and then her creative director. I was her point person for the day-to-day. I traveled all around the world first-class and anyone who ever worked for her will tell you her checks never bounced. You knew she was going to take care of you. She wasn't going to be in a five-star hotel while you were in a two. I flew the Concorde the way some people ride the bus. She shared the fruits, and she changed a lot of lives. The record company, the band members, her family, her friends, me — she fed everybody. Deep down inside that's what made her tired."

Raven03 · 04-22-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AchrisL (View Post)

I will tell WB to do the director's cut.

And if we have to send in letters everyday to get the director's cut, then I don't have a problem doing that!

AchrisL · 04-22-2012, 08:47 PM

I believe she very much smoked marijuana , but the heavy drugs didn't start until after the child was born.
I also think it may have been slipped toher and then when she needed or wanted mnore found out what it was. She was strong at first, but her pride and some of the wicked public didn't want to admit to failure.
it is humilating but we know that sometimes it takes that. No one would have blamed her for bailing. I think what made her sink into it was what she lost or felt she lost behind it.
I can truthfully and tearfully say that I loved her through everything and was disappointed at times, but I always understood her.
No words can describe or fix the pain in my heart now. I will state that I am happy she left that marriage. i wish it had happened alot sooner. I always knew she would divorce him even when she tryed to hang on and convince us otherwise.
Let's say it's a gut feeling like the one I had before I lost some family members in an accident and other feelings I've had.
Thinking about the mistakes she made just made her more angry at herself and it was self destructive, the good part is she had come to herself.
As much as I wanted to go before her and Mj, I know that the pressure they had on them being as gifted as they were was alot.
Mj didn't want to do anymore concerts and God played a hand in taking him.
Whitney was under pressure and wanted to do gospel albums and leave in a house and go to her church more. I think God had a quick talk with them and gave them a chance and they went to heaven to be with him.

Maybe this is foolish, but it's what I think and feel and thank all of you for excepting me. I really need people like you right now.

Shiroja · 04-22-2012, 09:19 PM

I think both of them would have made their marriage last because they were both people who strongly believe in the sanctity of marriage and would do whatever it takes to keep their marriage together. I think when one meets their true love or soulmate, one doesn't have to "work so hard" to make each other happy because everything comes naturally. Just basking in the company of each other would make them happy.

They would have balanced each other out - Kevin's sometimes too serious and intense demeanor can be intimidating to those who work with him, but Whitney has a way of talking to him and teasing him to make Kevin lighten up and take himself less seriously. Whitney sometimes lacks the drive to accept challenges for fear of failure, and she can be quite indecisive or wishy washy - Kevin's strong determination and focus to see his projects through would rub off well on Whitney, and he will always reassure her of her gifts and never let her waste all her talents.

As a very sensitive artist who had lots of self-doubts, Whitney can share her deepest thoughts, frustrations and worries with Kevin and know that he will not laugh at her or belittle her but try to help her when something was troubling her. Kevin is a sensitive man and he 'sees' Whitney, underneath the false bravado she puts on for the world. He sees her insecurity, her pure heart and her beautiful spirit. He could try his best to love, cherish and protect this very special woman who needs him. He would find solutions for Whitney, as that is what he is brought up to do - to be of service to the women in his life whom he loves. Having someone like Kevin who has so much belief in her is very empowering for Whitney and his support and encouragement will give Whitney the confidence she needs to really be herself and do what makes her most happy. If she needs to cut away the enablers and hangers on in her life, Kevin would be right there by her side having her back. Kevin, being an intelligent man with a business degree, would also be a good advisor for Whitney, and he would see through those who were taking advantage of Whitney's trust and kindness for their own greedy gains.

Also, I'm sure Kevin would have encouraged Whitney to get more involved in the creative process of her albums, including writing more of her own songs. If they had married, I think Whitney would be radiantly happy and healthy today, still maintaining her beautiful voice and singing out to sell-out stadiums around the world, while Kevin would be just as fulfilled doing his own projects and touring with his own band when Whitney is free. They would plan their work schedules so that they would have time to travel together as a family, or when one of them is filming on location the other will go with the kids, and rent a house nearby. They would try to go everywhere as a family, like Brangelina. They would encourage each other to pursue their own separate interests because seeing her/him happy makes the other feel even happier.

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He would have to be fun, interesting and jet-setting enough to keep someone like Whitney engaged. He would have had to make some tough choices, and who knows if he would be prepared to strong-arm the leeches and stuff in her life, while helping her confront her addiction issues. Unfortunately for addicts, a lot of their marriages end. They would have to work hard at achieving sobriety for her, monogamy for him, and at beating the odds of Hollywood marriages in general.

But they had a lot of the right foundational things in common. Faith, talent, ambition, simple pleasures in life, loyalty to those they knew before they were famous, and the love of kids. They would have found common purpose in creative projects, and that would have gone a long way, as long as we're speculating. He had been through a bad teaching moment with his first divorce, and while I wouldn't want Whitney to profit from Cindy's heartbreak, at least KC might have learned to be a better husband.

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I just think KC had two chances at love: Cindy and Whitney. He's locked down with CB right now, but if he wasn't it might be best for him to get back with the one (other) woman he had no problems bringing himself to say he loved.

I agree with what you said above. As KC had learnt a hard lesson from his first marriage, I'm sure he would have been reflective of his previous mistakes and would want to do things right the second time around. A second chance at real love was what he needed. He missed it with Whitney.

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I feel certain that he was very concerned. He expressed to her that it was the hardest thing he ever had to do. Her reply was more of are you kidding me. He's going to treat me well. As you know, the rest is history. I wonder what would have happened if John Houston refused to give her away.

The time around John Houston's death was one of the most difficult periods of Whitney's life. She was estranged from him and couldn't bring herself to attend her father's funeral. After her father died 2003, Whitney's world truly fell apart, as she was all alone and her loyal assistant/best friend (however you want to define their relationship) Robyn Crawford also resigned. If her father didn't fall ill and die early in the 2000s, perhaps he would have taken matters into his own hands and forced Whitney to leave Booby Clown and go to rehab before things got so bad.

80s90sIsTheBest · 04-22-2012, 09:25 PM

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I think both of them would have made their marriage last because they were both people who strongly believe in the sanctity of marriage and would do whatever it takes to keep their marriage together. I think when one meets their true love or soulmate, one doesn't have to "work so hard" to make each other happy because everything comes naturally. Just basking in the company of each other would make them happy.

They would have balanced each other out - Kevin's sometimes too serious and intense demeanor can be intimidating to those who work with him, but Whitney has a way of talking to him and teasing him to make Kevin lighten up and take himself less seriously. Whitney sometimes lacks the drive to accept challenges for fear of failure, and she can be quite indecisive or wishy washy - Kevin's strong determination and focus to see his projects through would rub off well on Whitney, and he will always reassure her of her gifts and never let her waste all her talents.

As a very sensitive artist who had lots of self-doubts, Whitney can share her deepest thoughts, frustrations and worries with Kevin and know that he will not laugh at her or belittle her but try to help her when something was troubling her. Kevin is a sensitive man and he 'sees' Whitney, underneath the false bravado she puts on for the world. He sees her insecurity, her pure heart and her beautiful spirit. He could try his best to love, cherish and protect this very special woman who needs him. He would find solutions for Whitney, as that is what he is brought up to do - to be of service to the women in his life whom he loves. Having someone like Kevin who has so much belief in her is very empowering for Whitney and his support and encouragement will give Whitney the confidence she needs to really be herself and do what makes her most happy. If she needs to cut away the enablers and hangers on in her life, Kevin would be right there by her side having her back. Kevin, being an intelligent man with a business degree, would also be a good advisor for Whitney, and he would see through those who were taking advantage of Whitney's trust and kindness for their own greedy gains.

Also, I'm sure Kevin would have encouraged Whitney to get more involved in the creative process of her albums, including writing more of her own songs. If they had married, I think Whitney would be radiantly happy and healthy today, still maintaining her beautiful voice and singing out to sell-out stadiums around the world, while Kevin would be just as fulfilled doing his own projects and touring with his own band when Whitney is free. They would plan their work schedules so that they would have time to travel together as a family, or when one of them is filming on location the other will go with the kids, and rent a house nearby. They would try to go everywhere as a family, like Brangelina. They would encourage each other to pursue their own separate interests because seeing her/him happy makes the other feel even happier.

love this post and I totally agree with it.

AchrisL · 04-22-2012, 09:36 PM

Shiroja

Beautifully said! He will always love and adore her. She loved him. she had to conceal how much publicly, but it was there and unmistakeable. This is genuine love!

They would have clashed, but they would have come to level terf. I believe by him being so helpful with The Bodyguard it gave her more convidence to do other projects.
And she did very well.

They are the two with something in common, namely a strong religious upbringing. Ha dshe married swomeone else I seriously doubt there would have been addiction issues. Brown and his sister Tina were instrucmental in trying to ruin her.
But they failed in the end. Yes, she was to blame for some of it but not all.

Bobby may have been fun to run around with briefly, but marry hell no!

NOTE: Whitney had her own funeral for her father with her family and friends in attendance the evening before his offic ial service the next day. She explained that as did that snake Kevin Skinner who no doubt encouraged Huston to bring that 100 million dollar suit that never went anywhere.

GobSmacked82 · 04-22-2012, 09:37 PM

OK, so some on the threads were wondering what "happened" after KC and WH saw each other after the 1999 Oscars. Here's a convo of that.

WH: Kevin! Over here, gimme a hug, you.
KC: (Hustles his daughter through the crowd a little quicker than usual.) Just be cool. She's a great lady. Doesn't bite.
AC: I know how to be cool, Dad.
WH: Hey! (Hugs Kevin) And who is your lovely date?
KC: This is Annie, my daughter.
WH: (Taps Annie's arm) Your Dad bragged about you all the time on the set, girl. I can see he left out how gorgeous you are. What a outfit. Is the shawl Indian?
AC: Yes, my mom helped me put it together.
WH: Bless her heart. You look fantastic.
AC: I really liked your song. And it won! Is Mariah Carey really nice? Everybody says you two are rivals and hate each other. But you sat together and looked friendly.
WH: Thank you, dear. Mariah is my lamb chop! She is a sweet, gifted lady and everything negative people read about us is a pack of lies. They're trying to sell papers, that's all. You want me to get you her autograph? Maybe she's around here and we can take a picture all together.
KC: Ummm, hello?
WH: What? Excuse me, you need to learn to share. This is her time.
KC: (Rolls eyes) You ladies want anything to drink? Since I'm just the waiter.
(So he gets them things to drink. Champagne for Whitney; gingerale for Annie. Time passes. Whitney's nicer.)
KC: You look amazing; you haven't changed at all.
WH: Well, running here and there doing movies, soundtracks, touring. It helps me burn the calories. And running after Krissy half the time.
KC: Are you here the whole weekend, or ...
WH: (Rolls eyes.) Forget it, Kevin.
KC: Forget what?! I have no motives. Man, a guy can't make pleasant conversation any more without ...?
WH: And next it's 'where you stayin'? You ain't got game! Not with Whitney.
KC: Oh, my Lord. Why do I always walk away from a conversation with you feeling like I've just had my ear twisted.
WH: You deserve it. You earn it every time. You were straight gripping me while Elton was setting up that photo. My God, Kevin, I think you pulled me so tight the color of my gown rubbed off on your tux. You can see my body print, right there.
KC: You're overreacting, as usual. Let's go out on the terrace to talk.
WH: That's cool. Annie's alright here inside?
KC: Yeah, she's fine. She found one of the animators for "Prince of Egypt." And I tipped my guy to keep an eye out. Let's go.
WH: She's a beautiful girl, and I hope you taught her how to flip a guy over her shoulders if he gets fresh. In fact, if you move your hand any lower, I may have to demonstrate on her father.
END PART I

80s90sIsTheBest · 04-22-2012, 09:58 PM

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OK, so some on the threads were wondering what "happened" after KC and WH saw each other after the 1999 Oscars. Here's a convo of that.

WH: Kevin! Over here, gimme a hug, you.
KC: (Hustles his daughter through the crowd a little quicker than usual.) Just be cool. She's a great lady. Doesn't bite.
AC: I know how to be cool, Dad.
WH: Hey! (Hugs Kevin) And who is your lovely date?
KC: This is Annie, my daughter.
WH: (Taps Annie's arm) Your Dad bragged about you all the time on the set, girl. I can see he left out how gorgeous you are. What a outfit. Is the shawl Indian?
AC: Yes, my mom helped me put it together.
WH: Bless her heart. You look fantastic.
AC: I really liked your song. And it won! Is Mariah Carey really nice? Everybody says you two are rivals and hate each other. But you sat together and looked friendly.
WH: Thank you, dear. Mariah is my lamb chop! She is a sweet, gifted lady and everything negative people read about us is a pack of lies. They're trying to sell papers, that's all. You want me to get you her autograph? Maybe she's around here and we can take a picture all together.
KC: Ummm, hello?
WH: What? Excuse me, you need to learn to share. This is her time.
KC: (Rolls eyes) You ladies want anything to drink? Since I'm just the waiter.
(So he gets them things to drink. Champagne for Whitney; gingerale for Annie. Time passes. Whitney's nicer.)
KC: You look amazing; you haven't changed at all.
WH: Well, running here and there doing movies, soundtracks, touring. It helps me burn the calories. And running after Krissy half the time.
KC: Are you here the whole weekend, or ...
WH: (Rolls eyes.) Forget it, Kevin.
KC: Forget what?! I have no motives. Man, a guy can't make pleasant conversation any more without ...?
WH: And next it's 'where you stayin'? You ain't got game! Not with Whitney.
KC: Oh, my Lord. Why do I always walk away from a conversation with you feeling like I've just had my ear twisted.
WH: You deserve it. You earn it every time. You were straight gripping me while Elton was setting up that photo. My God, Kevin, I think you pulled me so tight the color of my gown rubbed off on your tux. You can see my body print, right there.
KC: You're overreacting, as usual. Let's go out on the terrace to talk.
WH: That's cool. Annie's alright here inside?
KC: Yeah, she's fine. She found one of the animators for "Prince of Egypt." And I tipped my guy to keep an eye out. Let's go.
WH: She's a beautiful girl, and I hope you taught her how to flip a guy over her shoulders if he gets fresh. In fact, if you move your hand any lower, I may have to demonstrate on her father.
END PART I

ha! this is awesome and funny can't wait for part 2.

Shiroja · 04-22-2012, 11:17 PM

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Shiroja

Beautifully said! He will always love and adore her. She loved him. she had to conceal how much publicly, but it was there and unmistakeable. This is genuine love!

They would have clashed, but they would have come to level terf. I believe by him being so helpful with The Bodyguard it gave her more convidence to do other projects.
And she did very well.

They are the two with something in common, namely a strong religious upbringing. Ha dshe married swomeone else I seriously doubt there would have been addiction issues. Brown and his sister Tina were instrucmental in trying to ruin her.
But they failed in the end. Yes, she was to blame for some of it but not all.

Bobby may have been fun to run around with briefly, but marry hell no!

NOTE: Whitney had her own funeral for her father with her family and friends in attendance the evening before his offic ial service the next day. She explained that as did that snake Kevin Skinner who no doubt encouraged Huston to bring that 100 million dollar suit that never went anywhere.

AchrisL, thanks for the clarification. I'm glad to know that Whitney sent her father off the day before with her own private funeral for him. I read that the $100 million dollar lawsuit against her company was instigated by Kevin Skinner, and had nothing to do with her father. Skinner got zilch out of the lawsuit, serves him right.

As for Booby Clown, yes, he should have been that wild crazy boy Whitney met once at a party who made her laugh, not someone to get married to! As a poster said here, what should have been a brief chapter (or a brief encounter) in Whitney's life with Booby Clown unfortunately turned out to be the book of her adult life. Tragic.

Some lovely photos of Whitney and her parents -- she does resemble her dad a lot:

AchrisL · 04-22-2012, 11:34 PM

Gobsmacked

Is she gonna drop her guard get in a private corner and kiss her beau?

shiroja

Kevin was a user and opportunist. I understand when it went to court John Houston didn't show. I think Skinner manipulated him in his sickness and did alot of underhanded mess. Also, when he died he left a million dollard policy to his baby-not his current wife.
The current wife Barbara (?) waited a few years to file a suit against Whitney claiming she was suppose to pay off the condo and give her the money. John was giving her (whit) some of the money back he owed her. He owed her alot of money, but she would not dream of suing daddy. Doesn't anyone think it's odd that a suit was filed yet her dad left her money? I know Skinner took advantage, lied and extorted. He wrote some nasty book about WH. I don't think it did the brisk sales he was expecting.
Anyway, the step mom was being counter sued by Whit and whit won an appeal and got the appeal ruling around Feb 1.

Look, if John wanted his wife to have it he would have made her the benefiary and left written instructions. He did what he wanted and that was to give his child some of the money back.

Shiroja · 04-22-2012, 11:58 PM

AchrisL,

Whitney supported so many people and had so many relying on her because she was very generous and loved everyone. Yes, I heard she paid for John's second family's living expenses and bought him an apartment because John asked Whitney to (how could Whitney say no to her dad?), but only until his death, and then it's time for Barbara to fend for herself. It's ridiculous for Barbara to sue Whitney for the condo money after Whitney supported them for so many years - she is so ungrateful and greedy! Apparently Barbara is only a few years older than Whitney. Tsk tsk.

You brought up a good point. If John had intended for Barbara to have the money, he would have made her the beneficiary of his insurance policy, and not Whitney.

All in all, Whitney's life was such a mess during that time (2001-2006) and it seemed like she had no true friend she could trust who loved her and who could help her out. She was surrounded by enablers and leeches. She must have felt so alone. Very sad.

AchrisL · 04-23-2012, 12:42 AM

Shiroja

Thanks. if people stop to think about it john Houston had access to the best attorneys, he ran a multi-million dollar company, he knew about insurance and a policy with that much money involved you go through different things it is not just handed out.

He wanted his daughter to have it. What stands out is Barbara she got nasty and Whitney got her lawyer on it. She was a domestic when she meet John Houston. she was not much at all. here is another person who marries into money. It makes me wonder if she thought she would automatically get this and that, what ohn had Whitney do was give him a life estate, meaning that as long as he lived he had a home there but after he died that terminated. If she didn't handle her end shame on her. It was not Whitney's job to take care of her, she had some nerve! And had it continued and Whitney lived I may have written a letter on her behalf.

Whit had her business down. Go, girl.

Philo-Nantucket · 04-23-2012, 02:24 AM

I think it's quite appropriate to provide for parents. Providing for parents does not mean breaking the bank. It means making sure that you are living within your means. This can be difficult because it seems that there's so much money. If you spend it freely like a rushing river, it will soon disappear. I think she understood that; however, I see no reason why everyone had to travel first class. Also giving does not buy loyalty and friendship. Sometimes it does quite the opposite. It can also make a lot of dependents. Additionally, sometimes givers can be controlling. After all, they have the money.

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