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Old 03-14-2023, 11:26 AM
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The highlight of season 4's later episodes, for sure. It was so stupid that Tyler wasn't present for Graduation... I wish the season had ended with 4x19.
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Old 03-14-2023, 06:14 PM
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I wish he had stayed, I think that things would have turned out a lot better for us
I don't think so unfortunately I remember Kevin Williamson being a big Klaroline fan and even said that he would have made them endgame if he got to decide. We didn't have anyone that was properly Team Forwood among the writers and that was the major problem for us. Everyone just bought into the hype of Klaroline.
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It was bizarre how Tyler kept leaving and I think it had to do with the structure of Trevino's contract, but they could have changed that at any time and let him be in more episodes instead of constantly sending him away. It was so lame.
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^ I never understood it, because he and Candice always seemed really close - so I figured she would have stood up for him. She always spoke out in favor of Forwood at the beginning... Until Klaroline fans swayed her the other way at every panel she turned up at.

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I remember Kevin Williamson being a big Klaroline fan and even said that he would have made them endgame if he got to decide.
WTF are you serious?

What is it with this guy? He left Dawson's Creek in season 2 just as he had TVD, and he pulled the same BS there... He admitted he never watched all of seasons 3 and 4 yet somehow he was trusted with writing the Series Finale. He has a kind of God complex just because he was in and out writing teenage horror movies in the 90s. He never fully committed to any of his shows and to be honest I think that was a reason why both of these shows went downhill.

Also, I can't picture Klaus being a favorite character of Kevin's? He always seemed more into the softer characters to me. He adored Dawson, and actually had him and Joey as endgame at first until a season 3 writer talked him out of it... I just can't picture him being a fan of the villains (including Damon, because he seemed pro-Stefan) but WHATEVER.
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Old 03-15-2023, 09:46 AM
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WTF are you serious?

What is it with this guy? He left Dawson's Creek in season 2 just as he had TVD, and he pulled the same BS there... He admitted he never watched all of seasons 3 and 4 yet somehow he was trusted with writing the Series Finale. He has a kind of God complex just because he was in and out writing teenage horror movies in the 90s. He never fully committed to any of his shows and to be honest I think that was a reason why both of these shows went downhill.

Also, I can't picture Klaus being a favorite character of Kevin's? He always seemed more into the softer characters to me. He adored Dawson, and actually had him and Joey as endgame at first until a season 3 writer talked him out of it... I just can't picture him being a fan of the villains (including Damon, because he seemed pro-Stefan) but WHATEVER.
I went to find the quote and he didn't say endgame but he definetely wanted to do more with them. I don't believe Kevin would have done any better with Forwood because of this.

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Why did you decide to include that letter and hint at Klaus and Caroline having a future together?
Williamson: That's the one storyline that we sacrificed. You know, Klaus went off to another series and we never really got to play that story out, because had Klaus stuck around, clearly that would have been a relationship and road we would have gone down for at least a storyline. I miss that storyline. I always wanted to see it.
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God, that's insane. What is wrong with people? Perhaps he was just trying to appease the klaroline fans...

I think Candice always preferred forwood & never liked klaroline, but she just had to be diplomatic, because a lot of the fans weren't exactly rational when she'd say that she didn't like them
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God, that's insane. What is wrong with people? Perhaps he was just trying to appease the klaroline fans...

I think Candice always preferred forwood & never liked klaroline, but she just had to be diplomatic, because a lot of the fans weren't exactly rational when she'd say that she didn't like them
Oh, she did I remember when the series was over and she wasn't obligated to promote anything anymore she did say at a con that Forwood was her favorite relationship.

When I was looking for the Kevin Williamson quote I came across this Julie Plec quote from 1.5 years ago and I find it infurirating:


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From that point on, the Klaroline ship was a fan favorite, and although it led to many great moments on the series, it's one thing Plec admits would never fly today. "It's so toxic," she says. "That little romantic relationship would never get through a writers' room today because it's just unbelievably f---ed up, but boy was it good."
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We and certainly Candice could see it back then already how toxic and messed up it was. It wasn't that long ago!
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Ummmmmmmm ew. I think I just puked.
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Old 03-16-2023, 05:10 AM
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Yeah, it's not like this show is 20 years old! He tried to kill her! Multiple times! She went along with so much of his nonsense just to try & protect either herself or her friends, that's coercion, he used his strength & power to manipulate her into situations where she had to be with him all the time. There were things verging on SA. A lot of people could see it at the time, wth is wrong with her?
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Klaus tried to kill multiple people multiple times. He killed Jenna AND Tyler's mom. He attacked Caroline with a lamp. He terrorized Tyler and forced him to leave town.

Like...I TRULY don't get it. We all know why Klaus stuck around though. It's because of JM. I have nothing against him...but if Klaus had been played by Joshua Jackson (when it was going to be more of a smaller arc)...we wouldn't have had to deal with all of this.
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Old 03-17-2023, 06:06 AM
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JM certainly knew how to rally the fans around him, I'm not mad at him for it, he was just trying to keep his job. Plus, it did backfire on him when his real life girlfriend started getting hate. But he is the reason why the show went so downhill for me - & a lot of other people too


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I was originally excited for Klaus because I had read the OG books…but of course they ruined it.
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They're very different from the show...but Klaus was a villain and stayed a villain.
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Klaus tried to kill multiple people multiple times. He killed Jenna AND Tyler's mom. He attacked Caroline with a lamp. He terrorized Tyler and forced him to leave town.
Most ridiculous love triangle ever. I thought Matt/Caroline was bad at first, but that was high school stuff compared to the toxicitiy of Klaus/Caroline and I HATE how they tried to make it look appealing that Caroline would in any way be torn between her boyfriend and the crazy guy who was controlling every aspect of his life. :angry:

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Like...I TRULY don't get it. We all know why Klaus stuck around though. It's because of JM. I have nothing against him...but if Klaus had been played by Joshua Jackson (when it was going to be more of a smaller arc)...we wouldn't have had to deal with all of this.
I personally didn't get the hype about Joseph's performance... To me, it was an imitation of how James Marsters played Spike in 'Buffy'. Except Spike was a whole lot more charismatic and understandable.
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