mary ksand

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CallistaHogan

TFTNT.

In response to the old thread:

Exactly. I am not buying all of this "It's always going to be one step forward, two steps backward" bull**** that the writers are continually pushing on us. NO, it does not always have to be that way, KW, JP. There can be actual progression in Damon's SL. He nearly died, for God's sake, and when that happened, the writers told us that the experience was going to change him, that he would be given almost a fresh start. But is that actually going to happen in S3? No, no, it's not. Instead, he's going to

I also don't buy the fact that the story has to be all about Stefan. All about how Stefan's going through such a trial. All about SE's epic ~luuuuuuurve.

If it gets halfway through the season and I don't see any actual progress, not the false progression that they've been giving us, I might stop watching. I can deal with DE just being friends for S3. In fact, that is my preferred SL. But I don't like the fact that the writers seem to enjoy throwing Damon under a bus for shock value.

So...

Damon/Writing --

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Chuck/Blair

Disgusting.

Princess Pinky

That completely sums up the utter fail that is Brucas.

The_Void

TFTNT!

From the old thread:

I was on the train, and bored, so I compiled my 22 top(bottom?) OTFs into an ordered list. Why yes, I am a massive nerd.

22. Jeff/Britta
21. Willow/Xander
20. Barney/Nora
19. Jeremy/Bonnie
18. Arthur/Gwen
17. Willow/Kennedy
16. Angel/Nina
15. Ted/Robin
14. Jack/Gwen
13. Stefan/Elena
12. Matty/Franky
11. Freddie/Effy
10. Sid/Michelle
9. Tony/Michelle
8. Buffy/Angel
7. Matt/Caroline
6. Robin/Don

Most puke-inducing Failures of all time:

5. Buffy/Spike
4. Damon/Elena
3. Buffy/Riley
2. Connor/Cordelia
1. Harry/Ginny


Ugh, are they really going to carryon with that? Any rubbish about Damon being a well-written character who's goes through massive development can be thrown out the window. If he's

I just want to take this time to clearly state that if Stefan drops his ripper ways and stops drinking blood immediately through the power of Elena's luuuuurve, I will personally cut a bitch.

I think Damon/Bus is rapidly becoming my OTP.

Princess Pinky

Ricky/Amy - Incompetent characterization, incompetent writing, zero chemistry (Ricky looks like he's feverishly sucking the neck of a beer bottle when they kiss ), and complete character and history rewrites.

mary ksand

YW pretties

From previous thread:

Oh, I see now. Well, my number one hated character of all time is Wesely from ATS, but I think Cook ended up being second I think I wouldn't have hated Cook so much if the writers had stopped worshipping him and give him a free pass for all his crap while other characters had to pay the full price always. I don't get why the hell he even got a credit for going to prison, he went there because he did horrible things and he even wanted to pledge not guilty and sayd he enjoyed beating that innocent guy He only decided to go to jail because his layer - thank god for him - made Cook realize how much of a moron he is and that he needs to grow up and do some decent thing instead of making it worse. And anyway, Cook broke out of jail so no growth at all.



Ugh So TVD writers are going to keep screwing up Damon for shocking effect even though he had such a great potential to evolve and in fact he DID evolve by the end of S2. But nope, the writers are gonna play a "one step forward, 2 steps back" card only to have a "villian" on the show in a contrast of SE ~ epic romance and see for how long Damon's fans are gonna love him. Newsflash for you, TVD writers: I will always love Damon, but not gonna watch season 3. Because what you are planning to do is a joke of a creative writing and a joke of a character developement. I'll give up on your show just like I gave up on Skins and many other shows. And something tells me that I'm not gonna be alone.

And in honour of the new thread, biggest fails ever:

Harry/Ginny
Jack/Kate
Sawyer/Juliet
Cook/Effy
Cook/Any sane or insane woman, man or creature
Brooke/Lucas

therunaway93

TFNT Mary

My OTF's:

Dan/Blair
Cook/Effy
Sawyer/Juliet
Finn/Quinn
Bill/Sookie
Stefan/Elena
Ryan/Taylor
Curtis/Alisha

Character Hates:

Dan Humphrey/Life
James Cook/Life
Bill Compton/Life
Finn Hudson/Life
Tyler Lockwood/Life
Curtis Donovan/Life
Michael Dawson/Life
Taylor Townsend/Life

CallistaHogan

The worst part about it is that Damon could be a well-written character. I know that you don't agree with me, but I think that he's come a long way from the pilot. He still has a long way to go, but I can see how much he's changed. Yet the writers are so stuck into this idea of "Damon being a bad guy, Stefan being a good guy" that they are not willing to change the dichotomy. After his almost-death, Damon was supposed to realize all of the terrible things he's done. He's supposed to try HARDER to change, to "be a better man," in Elena's words. If he goes back to doing everything he did before the werewolf bite, before the forgiveness scene in 2x22, then he hasn't changed at all. The writers were feeding us complete and utter bull****. They never truly intended him to change; they just want him to be used as shock value.

Personally, I believe that Damon is a wonderful character with so much potential. He has so much room to grow and change and be a good person. In that respect, I blame the writers, because they're the ones who seem to think if Damon changes, he's somehow not Damon. Newsflash: he can be a good guy, while still retaining his snarkiness. He can be overly protective. He can still initiate actions. He doesn't always have to be the hero and then go off and kill three people, like Kevin Williamson said in his latest interview. HE CAN CHANGE.

If the writers don't seem to think he can change,

if his character doesn't go through any steady progression, then I might stop watching. I just can't deal with them throwing my favorite character on the show under a bus.



The sad thing is, that will probably happen.

danvers

in no particular order:

- phoebe/cole (charmed)
- buffy/spike (BTVS)
- willow/kennedy (BTVS)
- sydney/vaughn (alias)
- ashley/aiden (south of nowhere)

mary ksand

We have a lot of hate in common


ITA wirh everything. the experience that Damon got through S2, his progress that he made by the end and him nearly dying and appologizing to Elena for his mistakes (which is IMO a great start for character developement - acknowledging your mistakes) should make an influence on his life and his behaviour. He is not the "I'd do it all again for my selfish needs and not really sorry for the crap I did" type of character, Damon had and still has a great potential, but the writers don't want to use it properly, no, they are going to shocking effect which comes out being lame and stupid and illogical. and this is how TVD slowly turns into OTH, Skins S4 and LOST S5-6.

CallistaHogan

What happened to "I deserve this. I deserve to die"? What happened to his genuine apology? What happened to the writers' proclamations that Damon would realize everything he's done and that he'd actually change? Is all of that just going to be thrown out the window? The writers say that he's going to be a hero, that he's going to try and take on Stefan's role, and yes, by and large, he's going to be more ruthless as a hero that Stefan was. That's something that I can understand. But with the whole thing with you-know-who that I talked about in spoiler tags... that's not something I can understand. Damon has come SO MUCH FARTHER than that. His return to that action is completely unrealistic and, honestly, it's heinous to think about. The writers have to realize that it's OOC for Damon at this point in his journey, after everything that's happened to him, for him to go back to that.

Damon is at the point where we should see genuine change happening. I was hoping we were past all the "one step forward, two steps behind" crap.

Apparently not.

therunaway93

That we definitely do and I bet if you watched Gossip Girl, you would end up hating Dan Humphrey.

mary ksand

I never watched a single episode of GG, but from what I saw in fanvids at least I know that I would probably like Nate a lot. He seems like my type of a character.

My character hate is rather wierd but I think mostly I can't stand characters that make no growth and say they are ok with all the crap they did (like Cook). Also I hate those that cover up their law self esteem with superiority complex (applies to Cook as well and btw, what do you think of post S4 Jack Shephard and Jate?)


Exactly, it was obvious that the writers finally looked around and stopped giving us the whole "shocking" crap and juat let Damon naturally evolve at the end of S2. It seemed like they realized that the whole concept of "1 step forward, 2 steps back" is simply not gonna work well for character developement and so they gave Damon a real evolation. and now not only they are going to take this way but even ruin him further? For what? To promote SE? To "shock" fans? This is the lamest writing that could ever exist in creative world.

dreamywriter19

TFTNT!



I adore both characters, that's why I hate this storyline. I'm very rarely able to ship couples who cheated together, especially on friends/relatives. I don't dislike the characters, but I think that kind of beginning cheapens an entire love story.

I actually do think they have romantic chemistry, but this goes against all the progress both characters, Willow especially, made. So we're to think that she never really loved Oz, he was just a replacement because he couldn't have Xander? And all the time Xander and Cordelia spent together means nothing to him? Up until the episode I just watched they feel guilty and are trying not to give into their (unrealistic) feelings for each other, and that I appreciate. But I really don't want Oz and Cordelia to get hurt and that's inevitable

So much word. Blair deserves a lot better than Chuck and she's at her best when he's far away. Her pre- Louis S4 storyline is possibly my favorite one in the entire show, because it featured a girl who was genuinely evolving and trying to grow out of destructive, both to others and herself, habits. But the writers just won't let her have that. All her storyline was turned to dust when they had Chuck "let her go" in order to fix his pathetic excuse for a character. All her growth was destroyed at the altar of the crapfest that is Chuck/Blair.

It's such a shame. He went from being a complex, engaging character to a whiny little prick.

Get ready

therunaway93

Didn't you also say that you would end up loving Serena too because you think Serena is gorgeous and that she looks alot like you? Oh yeah, and I also remember you saying that Blair doesn't seem like your cup of tea.