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Old 02-09-2018, 04:03 PM
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Me too! Both brought out the worst in Rory and with Dean, super unhealthy.
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Josh and Sabrina - Sabrina The Teenage Witch was generally a fun show but the years that had Josh (Seasons 4, 5 and 6) were absolutely awful. I don't know what the writers were thinking but when they replaced Harvey with Josh, it was a disaster. A love interest who doesn't know the real Sabrina, who made crude comments about being "too old for her" but eventually pursuing her anyway (DESPITE BEING HER BOSS) and the actor tried too hard to be funny, but just ended up appearing as a downbeat, possessive boyfriend. This show did not adjust well when Sabrina went to College. Every person who was funny (Harvey, Hilda, Zelda, Mr Kraft and Salem) was cast aside for Sabrina's boring relationship with Josh and her new EVEN MORE BORING College roommates.


Piz and Veronica - I'm still disgusted that Rob Thomas brought this ridiculous relationship over to the movie. There was no need for it. Piz seemed to be there just to keep telling Veronica "a guy like me is so right for you and Logan is so wrong for you." Such a boring waste of time, delaying the true path she was meant to be on.
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Old 02-10-2018, 12:12 PM
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Piz and Veronica - I'm still disgusted that Rob Thomas brought this ridiculous relationship over to the movie. There was no need for it. Piz seemed to be there just to keep telling Veronica "a guy like me is so right for you and Logan is so wrong for you." Such a boring waste of time, delaying the true path she was meant to be on.
I 1000% agree! I honestly think that the reason for Piz in the movie was to get the actor in the movie. It seemed like they tried to get anyone who wanted to, in the movie. Don't get me wrong, I liked the movie but that made little sense. Veronica and Logan not dating made sense, when they explained that she moved. As long as they were in each others orbit, they would have gotten back together. At least, if we get more, I think Piz will no longer be an issue.
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I 1000% agree! I honestly think that the reason for Piz in the movie was to get the actor in the movie. It seemed like they tried to get anyone who wanted to, in the movie. Don't get me wrong, I liked the movie but that made little sense. Veronica and Logan not dating made sense, when they explained that she moved. As long as they were in each others orbit, they would have gotten back together. At least, if we get more, I think Piz will no longer be an issue.

I think Rob Thomas basically admitted that he just wanted Piz in the movie because he was friends with Chris Lowell which I find ridiculous. It's inconsistent with the storytelling. There is NO WAY that Piz and Veronica would have ever gotten back together after the Season 3 finale. Rob Thomas is the one who said "Piz notices the way Veronica looks at Logan and it becomes obvious to him that you cannot compete with what is going on between the two of them." I think it makes Piz look like a fool to have him in the movie. If this was the show, Piz would have been long gone. It was nothing more than a rebound relationship.
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I think Rob Thomas basically admitted that he just wanted Piz in the movie because he was friends with Chris Lowell which I find ridiculous. It's inconsistent with the storytelling. There is NO WAY that Piz and Veronica would have ever gotten back together after the Season 3 finale. Rob Thomas is the one who said "Piz notices the way Veronica looks at Logan and it becomes obvious to him that you cannot compete with what is going on between the two of them." I think it makes Piz look like a fool to have him in the movie. If this was the show, Piz would have been long gone. It was nothing more than a rebound relationship.
Absolutely. Honestly, it was foolish of Piz to go out with Veronica in the first place. He had a front row seat to their incredible, albeit, complicated relationship. His heartbreak was imminent. Him going for round two, in the movie was absurd. Maybe he felt safer, with Logan on the other coast?
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Absolutely. Honestly, it was foolish of Piz to go out with Veronica in the first place. He had a front row seat to their incredible, albeit, complicated relationship. His heartbreak was imminent. Him going for round two, in the movie was absurd. Maybe he felt safer, with Logan on the other coast?

Yes, and this becomes clear in the scene in the movie when the bar fight begins. Piz is so threatened by Logan's masculinity that he joins in the fight, then turns round to Veronica and sarcastically says "this is what real men do, right?" That is how pathetic Piz must act in order to stay with Veronica because he knows he will never measure up to Logan in her heart, the man who Veronica has known and loved since high school.
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Yes, and this becomes clear in the scene in the movie when the bar fight begins. Piz is so threatened by Logan's masculinity that he joins in the fight, then turns round to Veronica and sarcastically says "this is what real men do, right?" That is how pathetic Piz must act in order to stay with Veronica because he knows he will never measure up to Logan in her heart, the man who Veronica has known and loved since high school.
I agree. When she got off the plane and he met her at the gate, the game was over. Well, I take it back, when he texted her, wait, when she looked at his picture on the magazine. Oh, I know, the game was over back in season one, when they kissed for the first time.

But you are right, Piz acted the fool. But he had a right, or I understand him getting upset. Ver lied a few times to him. When he asked about things and what was going on.
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But you are right, Piz acted the fool. But he had a right, or I understand him getting upset. Ver lied a few times to him. When he asked about things and what was going on.

This is the problem with Piz being forced into the movie. Veronica was degraded in order to make Piz look like a gentleman who was being made a fool of. Lots of people who hadn't watched the show were left wondering, "why would she dump such a nice guy like him?" well, this is why people need to watch the show first, because it provides context and relationship histories. Piz was never right for Veronica. She needed someone like Logan, who wasn't afraid to walk away when she started acting self-righteous. Piz was too afraid to walk away from her, and that's why she was able to play him for a fool, even though she didn't intend to.
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Jack/Gwen My last favorite "ship" ever. Nothing was there. I didnt see any of the so called "sexual tension" just two people who put each other on such a high pedestal that they couldnt get down from it.

Luke/Reid Because you know a ship is wrong when you have to completely erase three years of solid history for it to work and change a character completely. Nope. No thank you.

Stiles/Lydia Honestly I have NEVER been a fan. Stiles's crush on her borderlines creepy for me, and then she suddenly returned his feelings at the very end of the show? Nah, I dont buy it.

Clarke/Lexa They brought down the show for me. Idk why I couldnt get into them, I just didnt buy that all of a sudden Clarke was so in love with her, especially when they had to separate Clarke from her friends and family to make it happen. I just couldnt get into them.
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