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Old 11-14-2006, 05:09 PM
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Episode 7.07 - "French Twist" - Discussion Thread

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Lorelai and Christopher take his daughter to Paris, where they spend their time fighting jet lag and hunger, but also succumb to the romance of the city; Zack and Lane receive surprising news regarding their impending parenthood and Lane finally tells Mrs. Kim she's pregnant. Rory retires as Daily News editor and realizes she doesn't know what she wants to do after Yale; she later calls her new friends to cheer her up and discovers that Lucy's boyfriend is her old friend Marty (Wayne Wilcox).
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Old 11-14-2006, 08:17 PM
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Wow, no comments?

1. Hmm. Interesting that Chris thinks Rory will be excited about he and Lorelai spontaneously getting married. I'm kind of surprised Lorelai would let herself believe that Rory would be okay with it too, given her reaction to finding out about her engagement to Luke last season.

2. The look on Lorelai's face at the end of the episode was very telling. She's obviously not completely happy. It seems like she's now just settling.

3. Gigi has really improved. She was actually sort of cute and not at all obnoxious.

4. It's good to see Marty back. I still have a hard time imagining him with Lucy, but hey... good for him. I guess it would be awkward to explain to Lucy and Olivia that they used to be friends but stopped hanging out once he told her he liked her.

5. Love Paris. Love Mrs. Kim. Love Brian.

6. Zach's bit about the Siamese twins -- hee. I really hope the kids' intelligence and logic comes more from Lane than from him.

7. I really like that Rory has some new friends. Lane's obviously sort of busy. Paris is great but... intense. It's nice that Rory has some new friends she can talk to and actually hang out with.
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Old 11-14-2006, 08:28 PM
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Well I rarely post but tonight I just felt like getting my frustrations out so here it goes:

Rant...

I have no words for Gilmore Girls tonight. Let's just say this is by FAR the worst episode ever written and totally destroyed the last 6 years and what Lorelai used to be about. Sorry I saw it as a big **** you to the majority of the audience and it truly sickens me. And that's coming from someone who wasn't entirely pissed at the concept of CL getting married if it was handled properly, but man DR just took that and decided to triple the horror by a thousand for no good reason! The scene at the restaurant was the most horrifying and ridiculous thing I've ever seen on TV. Does DR not give a **** about the fans and is willing to see the show tank when he finally manages to make everyone so sick to their stomach to even tolerate watching this bull**** anymore. It takes alot because normally I'll defend the show to the death, I even stuck up for Partings. Sadly tonight I just can't. It was just that horrifying.

Looking at the one bright spot in this pile of garbage that was once a great show, at least we know it can't get worse than this crap. And that I see this as the climax of positive CL, and from now on it can only get better for LL fans IMO. I liked how Lorelai's facial expression obviously wasn't all about joy in the final scene, it gives me a little hope for LL in the end. I also liked how the ceremony wasn't shown so at least we know it wasn't important enough to show. I also liked the return of Marty and that Paris was once again the only reason to even tune in at all. The rest I just can't discuss.
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I didn't think it was that bad. What was so terrible about the restaurant scene in particular and about the overall episode, in your opinion?
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Old 11-14-2006, 09:04 PM
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Well, if DR has done his homework, he knows that this marriage isn´t legal....but Lorelai said ILY ??? Right, so, Luke was not the only man she ever loved ???
GG has so lost it, and a big fat for that ep.....
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Well I rarely post but tonight I just felt like getting my frustrations out so here it goes:
Me too.

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Rant...

I have no words for Gilmore Girls tonight. Let's just say this is by FAR the worst episode ever written and totally destroyed the last 6 years and what Lorelai used to be about.
Thank you. It was a freaken joke, the CL scenes sickened me completely and it wasn't about them physically, it was the writing being totally off. The history was poked at and twisted completely. WTF? Nothing made any sense!

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Sorry I saw it as a big **** you to the majority of the audience and it truly sickens me.
Yes it was. It was like I was waiting for DR to jump out and head to the front of the screen putting his middle finger up to the entire audience or something. Honest to God I felt like I was watching a different show, this was something so hard to even relate to. Where the hell is Lorelai? Where did she disappear to because the Lorelai in front of us tonight wasn't her!

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The scene at the restaurant was the most horrifying and ridiculous thing I've ever seen on TV. Does DR not give a **** about the fans and is willing to see the show tank when he finally manages to make everyone so sick to their stomach to even tolerate watching this bull**** anymore. It takes alot because normally I'll defend the show to the death, I even stuck up for Partings. Sadly tonight I just can't. It was just that horrifying.
That scene was horrific. The ILYs? Are you kidding me? So now we are suppose to believe that Lorelai's been in love with him this entire time? And not Luke? Or wait, both of them? Hmmm I'm confused especially whenever it was pretty much established that Lorelai was never truly IN LOVE with him maybe EVER!!!!!!!!!!!! But now all of a sudden she's saying ILY to him like it's just a given. WTF is going on here? Was she not just engaged to Luke, the same guy she referred to as saying she was never truly in love with anyone UNTIL Luke? So what the hell happened here? Suddenly that turned out to be totally false or wait, she lied and it was Chris all along and she knew as much. Come on! The history was entirely made fun of this entire episode. My God so pathetic.

The ending clearly showed Lorelai not happy which indicates she's settling. That's the only part of any Lorelai scene I liked. So if that's the case then why all the other stuff? Oh the 25 years of dating comment by Chris sucked and she basically agreed. Okay really? She never dated Luke. She was never engaged to Luke. She never loved Luke. What the hell is going on here? It was like Luke and LL were entirely erased in one freaken disaster of an episode and along with that, CL were pimped as some great love story that was just simmering and waiting for the right time to finally materialize and truly transpire. But forget how every other episode before this pointed to CL not being meant to be and hell Lorelai constantly showing signs that she never wanted to be with Chris. But according to this episode, she's always wanted Chris. Sure.

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Looking at the one bright spot in this pile of garbage that was once a great show, at least we know it can't get worse than this crap. And that I see this as the climax of positive CL, and from now on it can only get better for LL fans IMO.
This is true. The worst has officially happened tonight. For real, it can't get any worse. It just can't. We've reached the lowest level possible. It certainly can only get better considering we are now laying down in a hole about 200 feet deep, a hole of darkness no less. So yes, some light has to appear and there has to be a way out of this because you can't get any lower or darker than this. No way.

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I liked how Lorelai's facial expression obviously wasn't all about joy in the final scene, it gives me a little hope for LL in the end. I also liked how the ceremony wasn't shown so at least we know it wasn't important enough to show.
Good point. The ceremony not being shown was significant I think along with like I said, her expression at the end even though nothing else made one ounce of freaken sense. Thank God I ate before this episode or else I would have skipped dinner from feeling so ill.

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I also liked the return of Marty and that Paris was once again the only reason to even tune in at all.
You said it. The only bright spots. I'll always love Paris and even DR can't screw this character up for me and it was awesome seeing Marty again and I loved how Rory responded to Marty.

Everything else sucked plain and simple.
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Old 11-14-2006, 09:55 PM
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It was a freaken joke, the CL scenes sickened me completely and it wasn't about them physically, it was the writing being totally off. The history was poked at and twisted completely. WTF? Nothing made any sense!
Exactly. To this point I've been tolerating CL and been sticking up for DR's writing. But this writing was just so off the wall I couldn't even defend it at all. About the only thing in character was Chris not caring enough about Rory to have her part of the wedding.

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It was like I was waiting for DR to jump out and head to the front of the screen putting his middle finger up to the entire audience or something.
I was waiting for it to. I think the history was totally taken apart the entire episode. All of a sudden were made to believe CL have been "dating" for the past 25 years??? As far as I can remember when Lorelai rejected his first marriage proposal after that her and Rory only saw him on holidays. He wasn't even a constant friend in Lorelai's life until season 6 when he tried to worm his way back in after he got rich and had free time to waste. But we're supposed to believe they've been semi dating for most their lives, give me a ****ing break DR.

And I'm sorry but I always thought ASP was showing the immature side of CL when they were in high school dreaming of Paris, but all of a sudden Chris acts like it's the greatest romantic gesture in the whole wide world. I'm also pissed off at how Lorelai has been laughing off Chris not being around while Rory was growing up lately. Like the last 22 years were just a breeze for her and not even worth thinking about. But heck they were dating all these years I guess so he's forgiven. I never saw his absence as easy to forgive or laughable.

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The ILYs? Are you kidding me? So now we are suppose to believe that Lorelai's been in love with him this entire time? And not Luke? Or wait, both of them? Hmmm I'm confused especially whenever it was pretty much established that Lorelai was never truly IN LOVE with him maybe EVER!!!!!!!!!!!! But now all of a sudden she's saying ILY to him like it's just a given.
Oh I know! Up until this point I had thought CL were completely casual and new and not ever at a place for the infamous commitment phobic Lorelai to say the first ILY. Not only that but really slam it in our faces with her saying it 3 times!!! Lorelai claimed the only man she probably had ever loved was Luke in Partings and yet she only ever uttered that phrase to him after 8 years of tension-filled friendship, 2 years of dating, an engagement, an ILY from him first, and in desperation to save the relationship. And here's her saying it to Chris like she would a hello. I just don't get it! I also hate how DR is using their long "history" and semi "friendship" as a basis for Lorelai rushing into this marriage and settling. I think it's lame and a poor excuse for drama.

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Was she not just engaged to Luke, the same guy she referred to as saying she was never truly in love with anyone UNTIL Luke? So what the hell happened here? Suddenly that turned out to be totally false or wait, she lied and it was Chris all along and she knew as much. Come on! The history was entirely made fun of this entire episode. My God so pathetic.
It is really pathetic. And I know DR thinks he's running on a shortage of time and needs to rush into it, but it comes off as unrealistic and totally insane. Maybe if CL had truly been dating years we could see this happening, but I honestly think Lorelai hasn't felt anything for him since 16 and DR is showing it as if she has had hidden feelings for the last 20 years. She can repeat ILY a million times to Chris, but can barely say it to Luke who she said, "Ive never really loved anyone until Luke"?????

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The ending clearly showed Lorelai not happy which indicates she's settling. That's the only part of any Lorelai scene I liked.
ITA. I was actually shocked DR didn't have Lorelai doing cartwheels over the elopement. Honestly to me this the beginning of the end of CL IMO, he clearly showed Lorelai already off right after her wedding. It can't be a good sign at all for CL. If she was truly happy she would have a smile on her face like the usual Lorelai has. Like I said the lack of a ceremony scene also clearly indicates what level of importance it was.

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Oh the 25 years of dating comment by Chris sucked and she basically agreed. Okay really? She never dated Luke. She was never engaged to Luke. She never loved Luke. What the hell is going on here?
Yep makes no sense. In that case was Lorelai always picturing Chris when with Max, Alex, Jason, Luke??? Has her last 25 years of trying to not settle for the life her parents wanted all a stupid joke on us and she did see herself with Chris in the end. So gross to even think about.

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It was like Luke and LL were entirely erased in one freaken disaster of an episode and along with that, CL were pimped as some great love story that was just simmering and waiting for the right time to finally materialize and truly transpire. But forget how every other episode before this pointed to CL not being meant to be and hell Lorelai constantly showing signs that she never wanted to be with Chris. But according to this episode, she's always wanted Chris.
I hate it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thank God I ate before this episode or else I would have skipped dinner from feeling so ill.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank god I had 3 hrs for the food to settle after I ate it so I wasn't violently ill.

The Lane and Zach and Mrs. Kim stuff was okay as well but I truly was too distracted to appreciate anything else. The closest I got was Paris and Marty.

I guess that's why I didn't like the episode Roxy. I admit my LL bias clouded me from ever accepting the episode. I just found it disregarding the history of the show.
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Old 11-14-2006, 10:00 PM
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This was the first episode that i refused to watch. Ever. I just clicked it back and forth occasionally. This whole Chris thing is insane. But it's not even that... it's everything. Idk. I just can't sit though a whole episode anymore.

But from what i saw...

Rory is boring and annoying and her friends are even more annoying. And what'd she do to her hair?

Lorelai won't stop talking! She always talked alot but this season it's just ridiculous. I'm surprised Chris hasn't run for the hills.

And once again the best storyline and the most entertaining part of the episode was... Lane and Zach.

^^ When such small characters are the only part of the episode that was the least bit interesting... you know somethings wrong.
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All I saw was the end. All I needed to see was the end.

Her face fell. The mask dropped when she was alone. Was that the face of someone who was thrilled to be married? I think not. You cannot explain that away. You just can't.
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Only good parts about this episode were Paris, Marty, Lane and Zach. It's disappointing that we like the minor character more than the two major characters. Stop ruining our Gilmore Girls and give them back their personalities!
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I only tuned in tonight because of Marty's return and all i'm going to say is that, that scene did not dissapoint.
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Old 11-14-2006, 10:16 PM
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I've been sick most of the day, and let's just say I was hovering over the toilet during a lot of the C/L scenes and while I was listening to the show in the background, it sounded like I was having a more pleasant experience than if I had been watching that (to use an appropriate term) COMPLETE AND UTTER CRAP.

Lane and Zach were enjoyable. For once I didn't want to smack Zach, and as always I love Mama Kim.

Marty's got the right idea.

Was Luke in this episode? They may as well have had Chris buy Luke's. REALLY stick it to him, DR.

And a fist fight? Seriously? SERIOUSLY?
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Wow um I don't really know what to say. I am in complete shock from the entire episode. I liked the episode, I really did. Chris was funny at times, Lorelai was darn down adorable but I wouldn't say I loved the episode! All the ILY's and the ending where all of a sudden they are married? All I can say is I'm happy they didn't show there wedding! I'm still digesting all of this info and shock.

The Marty part had my mouth down to the floor Like OMG that was soooooo unexpected. I'm glad he found someone though, he looks happy but wow, hes changed. Marty was the last person I ever saw Lucy with..no literally, I didn't know he was her boyfriend until they walked into the apartment and Lucy said "hey boyfriend" right before they showed him then I was like "you've got to be kidding, it can't sreiously be..." and then there he was Aww I feel bad for Marty, you can tell he's hurt by the way he acted to Rory but I like that Rory was still trying to be friends with him That was great that she was still happy to see him. He better be in more episodes! Oh God it was nice seeing Marty, only been waiting 2 years!!!!

Aww the Lane and Zach stuff was soo cute, I can't believe they are having twins...thats just...wow! So cute how Zach was all ok with that, him thinking it was siamies(sp?) twins was hilarious! Mrs Kim took it just how I thought she would...sweet and supportive. The moving in thing was a complete shocker though haha Brian at her place? Who would have though

I actually really liked Rorys friends this episode, they rubbed me the wrong way when they first appeared but now? They seem like they're exactly what Rory needs right now, some ditzy friends to show her a fun time before year end. The only friends Rory has ever had are mature life long friends that look out for her more then have fun with her, I'm not saying thats a bad thing, thats actually a really good thing but now Rory really needs some imature friends to help her stay young now that she is maturing more, Rorys old enough to know right from wrong so I doubt they'll get her into trouble, for all we know she may actually help them. Rory really needed these girls this episode IMO, I liked that they showed another side of themselves this episode.

Ok on to the dark stuff...Lorelai and Chris.
I think we almost had old Lorelai back this episode, she actually thought about Rory before jumping to the alter with Chris, she also turned him down but Chris just had to push her Lorelai isn't good under pressure! Chris and Lorelai were such 16 year olds this episode, they were funny at times and Lorelai was definately cute and hilarious but then they had to start remembering the "good" times and saying how much they love eachother So much for Lorelai only loving Luke! Chris ticked me off soo bad while he was proposing (and not just because he was proposing) He actually thought that Rory would be THRILLED?!?!?!! Oh ya sure cause she has always dreamed about her parents marrying eachother in Paris without her I can't believe Lorelai actually went through with it. Does she not remember how Rory reacted after she found out she was engaged? GRR I'm so ticked off, why did they have to get married?!?! It's not even so much the fact that they got married, its more the fact that that was the first time she got married. In Paris without her daughter, family or friends to a guy she doesn't even really love! The first time was suppost to be special.
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Old 11-14-2006, 10:30 PM
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I love Chris/Lor so I will say I am very happy. I loved the resturant scene! Someone said they were shocked that Lor said ILY to Chris. Why? She loved him before she even loved Luke so it makes sense she still does. But anyone can see that Lorelai has unresolved feelings for Luke and this will end badly. Excited for Chris/Luke's fight next week!

I love Marty and am glad to see him again! I wonder if now that Logan is gone he will be thrown back into the mix for Rory. I always thought they were cute even though I am a Rory/Logan fan.
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Only good parts about this episode were Paris, Marty, Lane and Zach. It's disappointing that we like the minor character more than the two major characters. Stop ruining our Gilmore Girls and give them back their personalities!
I agree!! I LOVED those four (and Mrs. Kim). I was especially happy to see Marty!

I didn't mind Rory - though she could find less annoying friends! Lorelai had her moments but I just can't believe she married him. And especially w/o Rory there?!!!!!! SO not like her.
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