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Shira81 05-25-2006 12:16 AM

Good night all:wave:
I'm going to hold out to the very last second of the final season, whether its season 7 or not, that LL will be redeemed as a couple thats the only way I want it. If they aren't then its possible she could end up with Dopey and we don't want that.:puke:

Lor-baby 05-25-2006 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Saranoh
I wouldn't be "okay" with it either, but it would be better than nothing. When I said "redeemed as a couple," I meant romantically. I certainly think their friendship will be redeemed if nothing else.

No it's not better than nothing for me.
As I said before this betrayal wasn't necessary. It came out in a contrived way.
It's still hard for me to accept it and while I do think that what you're saying may happen, I'm not willing to take it.
I won't take what I can get 'cause I, as a JJ, after all these years,after all these anvils and after all these beautiful words that came out from ASP's mouth, I deserve more.
I'll go with a song of the O-Town and say: "'Cause I want it all or nothing at all" la la la

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even if you do.. kids always get what they want
:lol:

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I'm just saying that L/L might not be able to be redeemed plausibly as a couple.
Oh. So you mean that L/L can/will be reunited but you're not sure that it can be done in plausible way?
Well that's a different story. I hadn't got that you meant this before.
I hope they find a way to reunite them in a credible way,but since everything that happened in the second half of this season(especially in the last episode) wasn't really very plausible for me, their reunion will certainly not be totally palusible either. Cause I don't feel like we reached the final scene in a plausible way.
Did that make sense?
My opninon of course.

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I think I said (on the last thread when you first posted this) that there's no point in showing redemption or characters establishing boundaries - which Lorelai did with Christopher in WBB - if it just gets forgotten whenever the writers feel like a retread. This isn't the only example of it on this show, but it's by far the worst.
That's true. Sad but true.

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In fact, I can't quite see how they could credibly redeem the characters and not the relationship.
Agreed. In fact the real challenge here is going to be the first one.
How can you redeem these characters by keeping them IN CHARACTER?
The redemption of the couple is just a consequence of this one IMO.

ETA3: Good night Sheila :wave:

Saranoh 05-25-2006 12:34 AM

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CafWhoah. I hold her responsible but I'm not sure how "intentional" it was. Until - if ever - the show answers this, I'm going with a "she went for comfort and one thing led to another" scenario. Guess I feel like she let it happen not made it happen. I'm not denying she's just as responsible either way, but there's still a difference here.
I see what you're saying, but it was still intentional. Lorelai didn't "accidently" sleep with Chris. I agree that she "let it happen" rather than "made it happen," but it still happened. JMO

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Lor-baby
Oh. So you mean that L/L can/will be reunited but you're not sure that it can be done in plausible way?
Yes, that is what I mean.:)

ETA: Lorelai has set boundaries for Chris, but she never sticks to them permanently. For instance, Lorelai always lets Chris back in her life. She doesn't initiate contact initially(except in 6.22), but she doesn't reject HIS initiations. Chris is no longer a big part of Lorelai's life, but Lorelai continuously allows herself to be a big part of his. I'm not sure if that makes sense.

lancer1993 05-25-2006 01:14 AM

Thanks Lor-baby for the new thread.

One good thing out of this hole mess (yes that's the word I want to use) is a number of BBs don't like what Chris did either.

I don't know if Chris can be redeemed now, it all depends on how the night went down.

ETA - I don't think Luke and Lorelai can go back to being just friends. That might be one of the steps but I hope it's not the end.

Lor-baby 05-25-2006 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Saranoh
Lorelai has set boundaries for Chris, but she never sticks to them permanently. For instance, Lorelai always lets Chris back in her life. She doesn't initiate contact initially(except in 6.22), but she doesn't reject HIS initiations. Chris is no longer a big part of Lorelai's life, but Lorelai continuously allows herself to be a big part of his. I'm not sure if that makes sense.

It does. At least to me. :)
I agree.

AngelaiDanes 05-25-2006 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by lancer1993
One good thing out of this hole mess (yes that's the word I want to use) is a number of BBs don't like what Chris did either.

Yeah I was really shocked how many BBs were upset at the bed scene and Chris, but I guess Lorelai's face did really say it all. :mad:

I am also confused why she keeps letting him back in her life (as more than she should) after he repeats the same mistakes over and over. :rolleyes:

Saranoh 05-25-2006 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GB7becks82

I am also confused why she keeps letting him back in her life (as more than she should) after he repeats the same mistakes over and over. :rolleyes:

There's nothing rational about it. I'm not sure it can truly be understood unless you experience it in your own life. It's a bond that can NEVER be broken. I have a friend like this. No matter how many times she screws up, I could never cut her out of my life. She could murder someone, and I'd still love her. Why? I've known her since I was 8. Besides the fact that we're both females, our bond reminds me of the one between C/L. We don't hang out much anymore, but we will always have a connection. Like Chris with Lorelai, my friend knows me in ways that no one else ever can. The platonic love that Lorelai has for Chris is unconditional.

lancer1993 05-25-2006 01:45 AM

So it should have stayed platonic I didn't mind that, they had Rory together. But now with her grown up there should be less need for them to hang out together.

ravenb 05-25-2006 01:52 AM

Thanks for the new thread.

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Originally Posted by caf123
I think I said (on the last thread when you first posted this) that there's no point in showing redemption or characters establishing boundaries - which Lorelai did with Christopher in WBB - if it just gets forgotten whenever the writers feel like a retread. This isn't the only example of it on this show, but it's by far the worst.

Spot on. :)

Yes Lorelai said the only one she's ever loved is Luke but sometimes love isn't enough. Trust plays such a huge part, can Luke trust her again after this?

Forgive yes, maybe, trust i don't know i think it he'll always have it in the back of his mind. The Luke we all know i don't think would be able to ever fully trust Lorelai again. JMO.

Everyone is different i guess, i've had long term friends, childhood friends that i've stopped talking to for one reason or another. Sometimes when things happen you have to draw the line somewhere, no matter how much it hurts.

Anyway let me go to my insane dream world where they did elope and in the opening scenes we find out that the L/C stuff was all and bad dream and instead we see something like this.

http://unapologetic-mockers.net/GGep...5/5-21/057.jpg
quintessence

FuzzyCerts 05-25-2006 02:33 AM

Thanks for the new thread. Great title.

lancer1993 05-25-2006 02:58 AM

Thanks ravenb for the BB&M caps, much better scene than the final.

ravenb 05-25-2006 04:50 AM

Since it's the right date now. Happy Birthday Lindsay :hug: hope you have a great day. :D

Everyone can wish her a happy birthday in the bday thread Kasia started here :) .

Yeah that scene was way better and so was the lead into it, i hope we get more scenes like that come the new season. Got to have the JJ love.

LL-Freak 05-25-2006 05:14 AM

thanks for the new thread.Great title :love: also love the song.
Happy Birthday Lindsay! :birthday:
and thanks for the R&R open-mouth kiss pics in the last thread Laura :in_love: (using it as my wallpaper now)
great posts I can only agree cause you already said it all.

valeposh 05-25-2006 06:00 AM

Thanx for the new thread Barbara!! :flowers:

MickeyJr3000 05-25-2006 06:27 AM

Hi guys!
Thanks for the new thread (nice title)

Um...I'm in a dire need to look through the "Java Junkie List of Love" site.
Does anyone remember what I'm talking about and does anyone have the website link?


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