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Just forget about the show and act like you're writing an original story. That's the best way to approach it!

ds44

I will fight for 17. So 8 goes

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Shu

#8- 2
#17- 1

ds44

The how ya doing moment deserves to stay

broken crown

I agree! The heart eyes!

ds44

that moment really exhibited their chemistry.

Muffy_Simba

I'm also going to go with #8

broken crown

#8- 3 (OUT)
#17- 1

New round coming up!

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ds44

i have no idea what to vote for.

broken crown

IDK this is hard.

Also, I saw this comment on social media. I cut the person's name off...but I just wanted people's opinions because I 100% agree with it.




The reason it was so rushed? Because the writers didn't plan correctly. They thought they were going to have more episodes (probably 18) and when they realized/accepted/found out that it was only going to be 13...they were probably very far into the season writing process that they had to cut stuff and rush through the plot.

If you look at Nace's S3 development episode by episode...what really happened in the first 8 episodes? You had Nancy pining for him a bit (while simultaneously trying to jump Park's bones) and Ace's POV almost completely cut off. There were a few looks where you could sort of tell he was thinking about her and then a couple of moments with Ryan that were slightly more explicit. Also, when Nancy finds out Ace and Amanda broke up...she does nothing with that information.

Once we get to 3x09 though, everything changes...but it doesn't feel natural. They needed to get Ace to a spot, so they could do the liminal space cliffhanger. So they...all of a sudden had him get a POV and be jealous? Like???? I feel like there should have at least been one or two episodes between 3x08 and 3x09 that set this up. Or at least some big ~realization moment that would have led into this. Maybe they could have put Ace looking at Park/Nancy at the end of episode 8...that would have set up the episode 9 stuff? Like he just had Ryan call him out...and he was sitting there thinking about it...and you see him really accept his feelings...and then he sees her and Park together. That would have made way more sense.

And don't get me started with 3x10 which made Nancy look like a bad friend. It's like they were telling two different stories in that episode (Nancy trying to hook up with Park and Nace as soulmates). I still don't understand Nancy's mentality other than the writers just needed her to get in the closet with Park for some reason?? I'm still unclear on that. They could have put them together ages ago, and instead they did this. And then there was basically no fallout? Ace just swept it under the rug (probably because of his low self-esteem) and Bess just basically told him to get over it when she was a bad friend too? And then!!!! The confession scene? I don't understand why they bothered? Because NOTHING HAPPENED.

Episode 12 was oddly written too because you had all these emotional Nancy-Ace scenes, but then they had to make time for Nancy to thank Park for the closet sex and then possibly kiss him again?! WHY?! They didn't give any explanation into what Nancy was thinking? And then they pulled out the whole "Ace is the fourth piece" TWIST?! Without any set-up or explanation? And then wrote a season finale that literally was pulled out of their butts and designed to just say "GOTCHA"??! The episode just proves to me how arrogant the writers are...and they're lucky they got a S4 (which they wasted on the same old nonsense...but that's another story). If they actually cared about the fans (who are the only reason the show is relevant), then they would have put Nace together in the finale and not done this star-crossed lovers/curse nonsense. They were never meant to be like that in the show and now there's just nothing to look forward to...but I'm not going to get into S4 stuff right now because everyone knows where I stand on that garbage.

Also, if the show wanted Nancy to be this ~single gal just having casual sex...than they should have done that? Because they're the ones who got everyone into Nace. They didn't have to write towards them. They could have just ignored the chemistry and just kept them platonic on the show (while the fans crack shipped them...although personally...I don't think the show would have much of a fandom...but maybe that would have been a good trade-off for them?) And then they could have just had their self insert with none of the fan drama and expectations.

gold-steps

Your breakdown is pretty accurate. Nothing really happened at all in the beginning of the season. But after 3x09 it was giving "oh **** its 9 pm and I just remembered I have a paper due tomorrow" where they realized that they had to do SOMETHING and just kind of threw it together.

Ace realizing his feelings (as much as I loved it) did seem kind of out of nowhere. 3x10 was just a hot mess and the closet scene is something I try not to think about
This is still so weird to me! I remember there was some speculation when his mom's heart problem was mentioned earlier in the season (which was kind of a reach) but otherwise it was out of nowhere and not explained.

Love these points. I feel like people would actually kind of love platonic Nace...people would still write friends to lovers fic and I think people would still watch for the mystery. But they started writing toward Nace and now people expect that and are going to be let down when they're not getting fed.

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omg....I just burst out laughing! That's EXACTLY what it was like...like waaaaaah...I forgot to finish this 20 page paper...so I'm just going to BS my way through the last 10 pages.

Did he even "realize" his feelings though? Because they played it like he always knew and was just bidding his time? I mean AS did the best he could with the material...but if I was acting out that scene...I'd have ALOT of questions...because the writers relied too much on previous subtext and fanon? Like...we knew how Ace felt...but they never really focused much on-screen about it because he was still dating Amanda. And the writers were terrified of making Nancy look bad (they failed there though... ). Instead, they should have had Ace and Amanda break up off-screen (for whatever reason) and then when Ace came back, he saw the Park/Nancy stuff happening and that caused him to face the truth. It's like they tried to make it a love triangle...and they knew it was lopsided...so they tried to act like Nancy was in two different romance stories?? But then they wanted a "cool cliffhanger" with the liminal space...

I think in S4...



I bet they were originally going to use the finale to explain all of this...but then when they were writing the finale...they decided they didn't want to waste the entire episode on re-doing the same storyline they just did with Lev (for 2 eps). And then Noga wanted to do the curse...so they just hand waved everything...so we can get to the GOTCHA moment.


They would...but they'd still be complaining about how the actors had such good chemistry and it was being wasted. So...really it's a lose-lose?

gold-steps

Yeah I mean there was a lot of subtle stuff before (see: every moment in our survivor except the dreamscape stuff) but as far as anything overt....there's not a lot there.

It makes so much more sense for it to be the catalyst for it....they should have just let you write it

Yeah remember Kennedy saying the finale was originally like insanely long. They editing some stuff out in the writing process and some stuff they filmed got cut. An explanation is probably something they probably originally wanted to include definitely got out (who needs time management?)

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Oh really? I had no idea the finale was insanely long. Well...that's interesting. They should have released some deleted scenes then.

The only deleted moment I know about is the one with Ace's shirt that they cut for time (although who knows? Maybe they'll use it S4).

I really wish they would have taken the time to explain how Ace ended up being the fourth piece when he wasn't Thom's firstborn son and if it was from Rebecca's side...how did it work considering her family was from Europe and would have been in Europe during The Civil War? They could have taken the time to explain it and cut out scenes with Park instead.




ETA:

I wouldn't fit their vision.

I've never truly seen a group of writers fumble such a sure thing (they themselves created) this badly though???! It's really remarkable...in a bad way.