Empire - Empire 3x15 "Civil Hands Unclean" Episode Discussion [05/03/2017]

**eternalfate** · 05-02-2017, 04:33 PM

3x15
"Civil Hands Unclean"

Angelo's relationship with Cookie turns toxic; Hakeem makes a public plea; Cookie is increasingly suspicious of Lucious' intentions with Giuliana and Empire's future in Vegas; Lucious and Jamal try to finish their albums.

**lessismore** · 05-03-2017, 12:19 PM

Looks exciting!

**eternalfate** · 05-03-2017, 08:17 PM

Previously on Empire, of course.

Team Dubios tonight! let's see how it plays out.

Charlotte Frost, typing that name for I can remember it. lol

URG Cookie still has feelings for Lucious, tell us something we didn't know.

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Okay, episode begins....

Oh Snoop Dogg in this episode.

I forgot we saw him in the promo.

Will he portray himself?

Giuliana looking great tonight.

I'm not feeling this Jamal song at all.

I like that other guy who's singing though...

Oh Jamal hates the song?

;thud: At least it's not just me because I dislike it so much. lolol

Oh the last song has to be different since the last song was suppose to be about how Cookie is free from Lucious.

Too bad Cookie wants to keep going backwards, so make the song about how she's ride or die backwards.

Becky doesn't feel they will finish the song on time.

Oh the other singer name is Tommy, he did a great job.

Lucious kicking the ones he doesn't know out.

Oh Cooking happy and confronting Lucious about what happened with Angelo, and it seems Angelo thinks that Cookie and Angelo are engaged.
Cookie tells Lucious that they broke up and she said no...

She was going to reveal her feelings but Giuliana came here.....

Oh please.... Cookie cry me a damn river, I feel no sympathy for her a$$.
Go ahead Lucious, go to Giuliana.

Lucious didn't like Tommy on the track even though he felt his vocals were good.

I like Snoop in this episode.

Real life and fictional life connected in this one.

I sort of like it.

I love how high that Snoop is talking about Jamal since Lucious didn't feel that high with it...
Oh... now Lucious talking to Jama about being in Inferno.
Too bad he doesn't know he's really doing it for Snoop, not because he desperately want Jamal there. lol

Jamal sticking with When Cookie Met Lucious and won't no part of Inferno.

Cookie and Andre scene...
Seems Andre tired of his mother. lol

I love this scene of Cookie meeting the people who Andre is working with. lol

Shape. lolol B-Raw.... HAHA.

Cookie knows a lot of people from the hood.

This is great. lol

She goes to serious to happy.

Cookie over here calling Giuliana trash...

And she is waiting for Lucious to kick her to the curb and come to his senses.

Cookie calling Shine like a distance cousin. lol

Cookie good at lifting spirits, isn't she?

Cookie making a huge homecooking meal....

Lucious and Hakeem scene, Hakeem wants his name on the birth certificate, and Lucious doesn't feel Hakeem is ready for it, and Hakeem is just stating that he's ready for it.

Oh Angelo is here.

This is the best he's ever been, maybe he should've turned over to the darkside earlier.

Angelo closing Lucious's club for tonight.

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Lucious is upset with Angelo and that Cookie wants to give him a free pass... wonder if she will reveal what really happened....

And Lucious saying he can't let it go.

I love Cookie's outfit here.

Oh Anika interrupts... a lot of Lucious women interrupting. lol
Oh.... Giuliana here as well.

Jeez this is a hot mess, it's a damn mess that Cookie wants to get caught up with this again but she deserves everything she gets here. NOT SYMPATHY!

Yup hold your tears back Cookie.

Oh Tiana and Torey over there in the hot tub....
Okay, I guess Tiana/Tory/Hakeem got a 3some thing going on. lol Whatever. lol

Cookie still being jealous of Lucious/Giuliana... okay.

She's telling Andre that she believes that he's with her because she was with Angelo, and she gives the relationship only a month.

Cookie said they should let Lucious to ALL THE WORK for Vegas and Inferno .....

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Jamal wants to be alone time to himself... and Tinahse comes in...
Hopefully she can help him come up with some better music.

Snoop gotta protect himself so he needs to turn Lucious down.

Thirsty and Lucious is shocked about that...

Lucious wants to talk with Snoop Investor Banker.

DuBois... oh that's his investory.

This is going to be interesting.

Cookie saying it wasn't Tinashe it was Jamal.

Aww Jamal and Cookie arguing.

It wasn't a serious argument though... lol

Lucious is upset with Angelo again and wants Cookie to talk with him.
WTF? Lucious was ready to shot him... dang, that's the gangsta way of handling it. lol

Jamal always looking out for his mother, Cookie. lol

Angelo and Cookie scene... Cookie is truly apologizing...
I love this scene between them and I truly understand Angelo anger and love him in this season.

I love Diana in this scene...

And obviously Angelo still loves Dinaa... that much is very obvious....

Even if I don't care much for Cookie right now, Taraji is always perfection in her acting.

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Cookie on the phone and very upset with Diana DuBois...
And I completely agree with Jamal here...

The DuBois are doing nothing different from what the Lyons does, protecting their own.

Michelle Obama mention. lol

Jamal wants to get a chance to talk with the DuBois...

And it seems that Andre thinks that Jamal is right.

I love how smart Andre is that his opinion matters the most.

Fake Claire Huxtable.

Cookie is one upset person.

Hakeem on social media, asking the fans what he should wear...

Jama going to see Angelo DuBois.
Jamal apologizing on the behalf of his parents.

And Jamal is genuinely sad for him because he wanted what was best for his mom.

Sadly she never wanted what was best for her, she'd rather deal with the comfort of drama so nothing you can do with that....

I agree Angelo, believe someone when they tell you who they are.

Jamal giving 5 million dollars.

Trying to fix things by going high.

I'm not sure this is going to work...

Diana DuBois won't allow this, she is out for revenge. Angelo on the other hand is the one who is hurt but there still seems to be that good in him.

I loved that Jamal and Lucious moment.

Lucious actually thanking Jamal for once... I'm not sure that what Jamal did actually worked though.

Jamal believing that his brother Hakeem will come to the light. lol

Hakeem having a good social media moment.
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Lucious playing his piano... and he is still watching Hakeem.

All these videos are for Bella.

Hakeem saying that his daughter, Bella, makes him a better man. I guess we have to see if that's true...

Hakeem new song.

It seems Lucious is really proud of his son, Hakeem now.

I liked that song better than the Jamal songs we've heard today....
Oh speaking of Jamal, he's singing in the studio, and he still dislike his music here.

Cookie telling Jamal to grow up because life happens.

Cookie trying to snap Jamal out of this because When Cookie Met Lucious has to be better than Inferno.

It seems Cookie probably found the right tune for Jamal.

That does sound great.

Oh too bad the instrumental is already taken... from Lucious.
Aww Becky didn't want that.

Harry is the singing... he has a good voice.

Oh Jamal interrupted.

Great voice!!!!

It seems Jamal is the right person for that song!!
It shows the great music that Lucious and Andre can do together.

I like this song.

Jamal doing a great job, FINALLY!

Cookie said that both of them will be at Vegas.

Jamal wants the Lyon family to work together.

Aww... I hope this works Jamal. lol Not sure.. it would be nice to see them all being a family but not sure that will work since Andre has his side killing Lucious gig.

So, the Lyons will try to be a family who makes great music together.

Hopefully it works.

Lyons family dinner?... something will go wrong for sure.

No way is Tariq out of their life, or the DuBois... all of that seem way too easy.

Oh Lucious gives Anika...... uh...?? Divorce papers.

Haha. lol And Leah is happy. lol
And a 25 million dollars....

Lucious and Cookie arguing briefly, like usually.

What a moment between Anika and Lucious.

Something is going to go wrong since too many great moments is going on.

Hakeem getting the XStream Channel, and Andre is of course not happy since he closed it down.
Lucious comparing Hakeem to Cookie.

Oh.

NICE. lololol Hakeem on the birth certificate.

I like it!

Someone at the gate...

This is gonna be bad for sure...

OFCS Child Protective Services.

Oh Bella has to be removed....

Oh the geds is all coming in right now...

I love how much Cookie cares for her sons.

Oh, Bella has to get taken away..... Anika is crying right now....

Lucious thinks the Dubois are behind this.

Seems it's definitely about to be real war now if the DuBois are behind this. They sure messed with the wrong family....

Vonnsterz · 05-04-2017, 12:42 AM

see i dont think the dubouis took Bella i think Tariq did because when does child services need the FEDs to take a baby out the home but this war is about to lit

**eternalfate** · 05-04-2017, 01:20 PM

^ I definitely agree, I don't see why the DuBois would have to do that for.

I didn't even know they knew that much about Bella. lol

Vonnsterz · 05-04-2017, 11:44 PM

Tariq is mad Anika played him so he took the one thing she loves her baby and with her telling him that Lucious wants to kill her and all that dangerous living arrangement for Bella

**eternalfate** · 05-05-2017, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vonnsterz (View Post)

Tariq is mad Anika played him so he took the one thing she loves her baby and with her telling him that Lucious wants to kill her and all that dangerous living arrangement for Bella

Tariq was the first one who I thought of but I actually think the speculation on the Andre thread makes the most sense.

Think about it, he has the MOST motive. The last scene we saw of Rhonda and Andre was of Rhonda wanting Andre to get revenge on the one who killed her... Andre hasn't done anything yet but no way did the writers forget about that.

Andre is currently out for blood against Lucious.

He's tired of Hakeem as well.

Taking Bella away hurts Anika the MOST and it hurts Lucious and Hakeem...

So, motive wise, he has the most power...
With Tariq, I don't think this is the last of him we've seen but yeah...

You should see the speculation on the Andre thread.

**lessismore** · 05-06-2017, 09:08 AM

I didn't get the ending but it made me so upset. Give me back my Bella

I hate guliana what's her name. Ugh Lucious. He seems to upset Cookie again and I hate it. I am scared from the season finale

**ds44** · 05-07-2017, 02:33 AM

I think the Dubois family did it.

Vonnsterz · 05-07-2017, 05:06 AM

^^what do they gain from taking the baby tho yes this really hurts Anika and Hakeem more than anyone else the DuBois haven't had any interaction with them

**ds44** · 05-07-2017, 08:56 AM

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^^what do they gain from taking the baby tho yes this really hurts Anika and Hakeem more than anyone else the DuBois haven't had any interaction with them

It doesn't gain them anything. They hate the lyons and they know that baby means a lot to them. This show often goes with the least shocking simple root.

**eternalfate** · 05-07-2017, 06:17 PM

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It doesn't gain them anything. They hate the lyons and they know that baby means a lot to them. This show often goes with the least shocking simple root.

Do they know though? We never heard the DuBois even mention Bella or get mentioned in front of them.

This might be the case where the Lyons retaliate but it'd be against the wrong family which will make the DuBois rightfully come back at the Lyons even harder....

Diana hates the Lyons, and Angelo is just broken hearted, he doesn't have an issue with a Jamal, he is just listening to his mother.

I do agree with you on the last line though that Empire goes with the least shocking root.:lao: However, I don't see it being the DuBois...

Vonnsterz · 05-08-2017, 01:53 AM

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It doesn't gain them anything. They hate the lyons and they know that baby means a lot to them. This show often goes with the least shocking simple root.

it doesn't gain them anything that's why I don't see it being them just like the promo for this ep made it seem that maybe hakeem was being arrested this is making it seem like the DuBois when it's Andre or Tariq behind it really they have beef with Lucious and cookie taking the baby hurts Anika more than anyone and they know that's not Lucious' baby

**lessismore** · 05-08-2017, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Vonnsterz (View Post)

it doesn't gain them anything that's why I don't see it being them just like the promo for this ep made it seem that maybe hakeem was being arrested this is making it seem like the DuBois when it's Andre or Tariq behind it really they have beef with Lucious and cookie taking the baby hurts Anika more than anyone and they know that's not Lucious' baby

I think Andre and Shine are behind it too. A rupture between Lyons and DuBois would also be something suits to their plan.

It came after Cookie convincing Andre to let his father do everything for LV thing and then they're gonna come back for it. I am not sure if Cookie is involved tho.

But I also agree with Shu

They sometimes go with the obvious.

**ds44** · 05-08-2017, 08:28 AM

I don't know. I just think that's how it plays out but I am really awful at speculating. I think the Dubois know cause of Hakeem blathering on social media. It could be Andre but I don't think they want him to go that far with him.


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