bonnie51

they very well could have. its impossible to really know. i guess that makes it somewhat intriguing?

but i do have to admit that if they literally undo basically everything that happened in season 1, etc... i'll be upset.


very true for caitlin/cisco though having opposite sex best friends that never date is something a little unusual on the CW. Not as much as it once was perhaps but it is a little different.

at times i would disagree that the show never really wanted people to think about caitlin and wells. it was more perhaps eobard wells for some but since they were originally going to go that route... i do think at least in season one there was a time where they might have played around with that idea... perhaps less so in season 2 and so far in season 3 though



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there is a image of a speedster in a flash costume from E-19... there is some speculation that that it is "eddie" as the Flash.

hereforshorttime

flashpoint is a cop-out bull and I don't know if I'm more pissed at Grant for wanting it I guess be careful what you wish for. Is The Flash's Keiynan Lonsdale Getting a New Mask? also seems like they must be going full on going towards Wally and people love to talk how jelly grant is. try to be positive I will see if I don't put screwdriver through my head.

FireQueen

I've never seen anything that could lead to a romance between Wells and Caitlin. The actors have very good chemistry but I don't view it as romantic or sexual. People ship them because fans seem to ship everything but the show hinting at something? I didn't see it. Maybe the age difference is what prevents me from even considering the possibility. Sadly, I could be biased in that regard BUT...

I saw something with Wells and Hartley in 1x11. I viewed his relationship with both Cisco and Caitlin as one between a mentor and his proteges but from my PoV Wells and Hartley could have been lovers.

At times I saw something with Cisco and Caitlin. The chemistry waves came more from Cisco though.

I would like something like this. Eddie not dying but being trapped on another Earth. It would explain why Eobard is still alive and why no-one has seen Eddie on E-1.

I'm sure that at the time Grant already knew they were doing Flashpoint. He was all "I'd like to do Flashpoint" when the producers had already decided they were adapting that story.

Summer Falls

Ok i see your point

Yes i want eddie back

bonnie51

I personally haven't felt that way either - maybe a moment here, maybe one there but overall no..

i also know some people point to the idea that since it was originally worked out where they might be LI than it could still be...

it wasn't so much the age thing for me as well, Jessie. Well, i guess that brings the age thing into it for me maybe... i mean... I might have been ok with it having it happen but not when your daughter is what... 7, 8 years younger? than caitlain and works with them? that'd be a tad strange.



interesting.

yeah and in the interview from rick posted a little bit back he mentioned he couldn't say exactly when or where we would be seeing him again.... so IDK...


yeah, I'm sure he was and he did mention he really wanted to do flash point. i doubt he'd have mentioned it the few times I think he did unless he knew that they were doing it or at worst, there was a really good chance that they were going to do it

FireQueen

Yeah, I was mostly talking about S1 Wells but it could apply to every version.

Hopefully, we will get some spoilers during the hiatus. I'm already having Flash withdrawals.

Summer Falls

One way to help that is re watch old flash

FireQueen

I'm re-watching some scenes on YT

Summer Falls

Thats what i do any favorite scenes?

FireQueen

We wanted the promo for 3x10 and...I'm dead



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Summer Falls

I was just going to post that looks so good !!

scclarke

Damn barry is lookin good.

bonnie51

thanks for the promo...looks pretty good...


i will bet this leads to something bad happening to someone. maybe death? maybe not.

but for me, at least, if you change the future by altering decisions you might otherwise have made, then your own or someone else's future around you might also become changed.

like for example... what if - and maybe this is too much for the show - what if Savitar killing iris in the future is and barry's drive to prevent that from happening is then what leads to the future savitar spoke of... and iris death was basically a red herring? of sorts?

kind of like playing chess while everyone else plays checkers. if that makes sense. like maybe if you chose door A, Savitar kills Iris. but maybe behind door B, he kills Wells / someone else, etc.

because, i mean... seeing as savitar is from the future than doesn't it make sense that if barry and co change things noticeably from what happened in savitar's time line...wouldn't he notice the change? and it'd be hard for them not to since none of them know what else happened in the future other than what barry saw...or is it just going to be the bad guy not being aware of such changes?

scclarke

I don't want anyone to die. Why does someone have to die every season? It's just depressing. I don't like this one will fall, betray, suffer thing. I hope this doesn't have to come true.

bonnie51

i think the betrayal one is the most likely. it is possible that no one will die... but i think someone will = though not iris. it could be someone relatively minor like our new version of wells and just have e2 wells come back. pr maybe it is jay? idk... i'd be surprised if it was someone larger than that but then again, it could be.

i mean, from a writing pov... it'd be an interesting twist on the "fate worse than death" line.

reason i say that is imagine being barry. you see the person you love being killed so what do you do? naturally, you do everything you can do to prevent said death from happening, right? well, what if the result of you preventing that death from happening - ala him saving his mom - then means that someone else close to him dies and is the one to fall because that part of the future was not going to change? it was just a matter of who... like savitar was always going to kill someone, it was just a matter of who?

and then the realization that similar to saving his mom, by saving iris he didn't change savitar's prophecy of sorts but rather just altered it. in some ways, having that knowledge that all you really managed to do was change who died... that might be considered a fate worse than death. having these powers and working to save the person you love most other to lose someone else - and being powerless to stop it from happening... that'd be pretty damning, imo. and i don't know if the show is going to be quite dark enough or twisted enough to go down that path.



but i do think someone is going to betray him. caitlain / kf still makes the most logical sense - even though it makes no sense at the same time anymore. because while she appears somewhat uneasy / scared - in the promo .... what was the purpose of the pipeline then? was that just a band aid on a larger problem? because what really happens that makes her lose control again? so because they had barry break the ice, pun intended i guess and reach her... her going dark again after being teased and then brought back doesn't make the most story line sense.

and if its wells... super yawn. it was done in season one, teased in season 2 and technically done a little bit in season two... and now again in season 3? really?

cisco... it could be cisco and that would be an interesting twist but outside of the episode where he hallucinated dante...i'm not sure there's enough there this season where that makes sense. sure, last year he worried about going evil but unless they bring up that idea again, him taking a darker turn in the back half doesn't seem likely.

and i know some people think wally will because he's not quite right after the whole transformation and i suppose that its possible and could be interesting if done right but again... there's no real foundation at this time for that and i just don't really see them going down that route.

and characters like jessie and jay really aren't probably going to be around enough consistently for them to make a big impact by them turning. it'd be an impact but again the reasoning behind it would just seem murky to me. and not really have much of a set up.

which really leaves just julian. like if he was pretending not to have memories of being alchemy and faking it but he was really aware of what was all happening the entire time and he really was a bad guy... that could be possible but doesn't seem to be an area that the show is heading into either.


so really, outside of julian and then a really outside shot of cisco, the most likely one to betray is caitlain.

i could see someone relatively minor dying in place of iris if anyone does die. and i'm not sure that they will... because again, if someone turns or betrays them because of the choices they make as they work to change the future, then in some ways that's a consequence too depending on who it is and how deep the betrayal goes, etc.





and while i don't think it all has to come true... i think some of it does. while i know hollywood and tv shows like to have good triumph over evil etc... one thing this show has done fairly well is show that its not always that neat and pretty, etc.. and i think that this is going to go down a similar line. they beat reverse flash but eddie and ronnie died...they beat zoom but henry was killed... they will ultimately of course take down savitar but something bad i feel like is going to happen - and i don't think that it is iris dying. i just feel like its too early in the series to do that and too much of a red herring - i think if iris were really going to die, even temporarily on the show like oliver did on arrow and have everyone think that she was dead and then come back - i don't think you show to barry / the audience in the way that they did. i just feel personally that if you were going to go that route that you were going to keep that particular thing close to your vest so to speak and not show your hand