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Old 04-22-2021, 10:10 PM
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8x14: "MISERE" Episode Discussion Thread (04/23/2021 @ 8PM)

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In a retrospective look at key turning points, steps are retraced that lead Elizabeth Keen to align with a powerful enemy.
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Old 04-23-2021, 05:32 PM
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Boring!

I hate seeing Kaplan like this too. Hating red sooo much. And pushing Liz into this.

I don’t want to hate Kaplan.

She used isabell. I hate her.

She killed Anne. Oh no that’s it for me. Hate Liz
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Old 04-23-2021, 07:33 PM
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I am so bummed right now, I have no words. Nothing but hatred from just about every character: Kaplan a constant presence encouraging Elizabeth to continue hating, Townsend willing to have his own sister killed, Liz even being willing to get Dembe's daughter involved! The only redeeming thing I could see was at the end, in order to protect Red, dear Anne tried to knock the gun out of Liz's hands. Then the most shining moment of all was when Liz so clearly saw that Red was more concerned about his sweet friend Anne being hurt than about Liz getting ready to take his life. Hey Elizabeth, that's what real love looks like! -- And so you're thinking Anne has died...if that turns out to be the case, I don't think I can stand it! This episode leaves me nothing but limp, sad and bummed. :
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Old 04-24-2021, 01:19 AM
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Damn, what a booooring episode. I really was hoping that it would be a better one but now. It really was boring like hell. Seeing all the stuff from Liz's POV. I really didn't miss that character on the show at all. And honestly, her whining and then going through with everything gets more and more boring as well.

Honestly, she should just simply have shot Red and that would have been it. Coward!

And her being the one who got Anne killed. I'm really curious how this will impact their relationship (Red and Liz I mean).

I so hate her too and I so don't want her to be redeemed. Hopefully Townsend will come for her. It's about time to get to know your real enemy.

Kaplan really frustrated me as well.

Isabella being involved in all of it as well... I will never get that and honestly, I will never understand all these people going with Liz. It makes me extremely disappointed.

Yes, I really wondering what Liz thought in the moment when Red wasn't at all concerned about his life but just about Anne and her staying alive. I hope it kind of reminded her of her own damn husband and what happened to him. Just that she this time was the one who brought all this over Red and Anne.
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Old 04-24-2021, 01:49 AM
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She had the chance to kill him and she didn't cause then she will never know what she wants to know. And I guess she maybe didn't kill him because she saw how much he cared about Anne.

I just can't with Liz.. saying she is not a murderer! ah girl, you are! You are even worse than Red and you don't even see it!

Kaplan. It was good to see her again but I didn't like her coaching Liz into killing Red. But it's safe to say that she was only in Liz's head and not really alive.

Poor Anne. I was afraid she was going to die because of Liz but I didn't think it would happen this way. Her trying to save Red and smashing her head on the coffee table. I am guessing she is dead we don't know for sure of course.. oh I hope she is still alive and they are able to save her!

The actress who played Isabella was it the same one as last time? I know that it was another actress than the first time when Solomon kindapped Elle but we have seen Isabella after that and this is the third time and I feel we've had a different actress all three times.

Damn Liz.. you're using Isabella?! really?! and I can't believe that Isabella planted the microphone on Dembe!
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We talked so much about what we thought this episode would be like and I must admit THIS never crossed my mind. Evil dead Kaplanis the voice in Lizs head telling her what to do. Really? Kaplan never wanted this for Liz and now ghost Kaplan does? It would make more sense if Liz was seeing Katarina. And if this is part of the second memeory manipulation then I’m all out on that theory. I mean to use Kaplan like this just makes me sick. This is anouther character I loved. And it was hard to see her betray red and the following episodes. That was bad but now we top it off with this.

And then For Kaplan to say I wasn’t ruthless enough. She framed Dembe, had marvin arrested,poisoned red, killed Baz and destroyed most of reds team. Ruthless wasn’t her problem. She had that in spades. Red is the strategist. Thats why she didn’t win.

Liz has now killed Anne. And now all I want is for Red to kill her. What other way forward is there? I want him to kill her just like I wanted him to kill Kaplan.

Remember that interview with James where he said they were going to capsize the ship and then fix it. If he were standing in front of me, I would love to ask him HOW. Becuase as a fan of this show, I don’t see how. I really don’t see how.

And what were the writers trying to do for Liz with all this? Redeem her? Make us feel sorry for her? All they did is make her look crazy. At least I think so. I’d almost say they don’t like her.

To learn that she set Rutiger up. Omg. To know Rudiger said red was like a brother and she forced him into this and probably got him killed. I don’t care that she begged for his life becuase she shouldn’t have done it in the first place.

And then She begs for Dembes life. I did like seeing her watch the scene where Red is being tortured and talking to her. So she begs for Dembes life. She doesn’t want to kill Chemical Mary, but she does. She uses Isabella. Don’t even get me started. And then she’s all sad that the sheriff is going to be attacked. But she doesn’t stop. She looked idiotic in this episode.

And then When she finally sees red she says to Anee that she wants to know who he is. Really. Omg. That’s all you got. Really. Dumbest line ever.

And to top it off she leaves Agnes with yet another person she doesn’t know.

And Jenny, yes the brightest light was how much Anne loves red. She fought for him and died for him. And red didn’t even care if Liz killed him at this point. My heart aches.

And finally we still don’t know how Liz knew all this stuff. How she knew about Mary. How he knew about the drive. How she suddenly has all these contacts.
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I hated what happened to Anne, I am still hoping that they manage to save her and that she will be ok....

Such a boring eppy and I didn't like what they did to Kaplan and also has Agnes grown up that quick

Well Liz has just gone mad, that is my theory and also if Anne doesn't make it , I hope that Red just goes after Liz with all guns blazing...
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Boah I am so annoyed by this storyline! Nobody would have needed this episode, it just gave us nothing. First she want him dead, than she missed so many opportunities to kill Red because she want‘s answers again, instead of just to avenge her mother. And now she gets back to the taskforce after all these people died because of her?! So whats the endgame? Red killing Townsend and Liz learns that Red is not n13?! Hate it! Hate that Anne his hurt! Hate Kaplain! Hate this episode! The first time Im not waiting for friday!
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I just wish we had the rest of the season with just Red and Dembe, and some taskforce with some Anne...
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Old 04-25-2021, 06:40 AM
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Liz aligned herself with a maniac who doesn’t care who he kills. And she is a part of it. And she should see how different that is from red. Because red doesn’t initiate plans that put innocent people in danger. Like storming a sheriff station.
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I just wish we had the rest of the season with just Red and Dembe, and some taskforce with some Anne...
That would be the best and finding out who Red really is without Liz. Oh, he could tell Anne! Like tell her everything. That would be so amazing!
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Old 04-25-2021, 12:18 PM
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It sure would have been
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Old 04-27-2021, 08:08 AM
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Now I want that to happen but it's probably not ever going to happen.
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