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Old 05-19-2022, 12:55 PM
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9x21: "MARVIN GERARD: CONCLUSION PART 1" Episode Discussion Thread (05/20/2022 @ 8PM)

9x21 | Marvin Gerard: Conclusion Part 1
E P I S O D E DISCUSSION T H R E A D






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Red and the Task Force spring into action after learning who betrayed them.
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Old 05-20-2022, 06:22 PM
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What the heck is wrong with Harold. He should have known red would make sure he didn’t go to jail. Now everything is all messed up.

I am so happy dembe worked with red. Best part of the show. I don’t think Dembe should have given cooper clues though.
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Old 05-20-2022, 08:25 PM
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O! M! G! Now THAT was a fabulous episode! I was SO happy when Dembe asked Cooper's permission to go help Red out! Brought back so many memories of their past partnership!

I did hate seeing Red being and feeling so vulnerable & fearful when he called some of his associates to meet at the lodge. Just not used to seeing him so genuinely concerned and worried. Glad he survived that ill fated plan however, thanks to Dembe and then thanks to the team showing up.

Fisker wouldn't give up Marvin's meet-up location but when I saw Dembe looking at the cameras, I didn't put it together how cameras would come into play...until later Dembe mentioned to Cooper they also had microphones. So yeah, I too wasn't happy Dembe gave that info up to Cooper but apparently it was a tough call for him...torn loyalties... although his decision didn't end well for Cooper!

How satisfying was the part when Marvin was SO arrogantly self assured and oh so confidant that he had outsmarted Red but then rode up the escalator only to see him face to face and walking straight into his lap!! Ha! It was like Protege meet Master! Loved it!

So now the chase continues and Cooper has totally lost Red's trust & friendship; not a good position to be in. Because as we all know, when you lose Red's trust and friendship, you've lost a LOT!

Again, like Diamond said: kudos to Fangirl, Miranda and Kris for knowing Marvin was the betrayer! I just couldn't buy into it at first but of course, looking back, it all fits. I wasn't happy that we all had to go through the death of Liz again, just heart breaking to see Red's reaction when he was holding her. But seeing Marvin's smirk & satisfaction that he had pulled it off made me REALLY want him to pay for that.

So I'm satisfied in trusting that Red will bring him down. It was so interesting to realize how Marvin naturally knew SO many of Red's secrets, locations, assets and connections, but of course he would since he was in on every one of them over the years, only then to turn out to be such a disloyal rat! Sheesh, still coming down from how good an episode this was. Can't wait for next Friday to see which way Marvin goes down: by A) Red's gun or B) by bringing him in alive so he can help Cooper by going to trial and then Rikers. I'm going with B...unless of course Marvin gets away and we have to wait for another episode or season to see him brought to justice. Can't wait. Still wondering how I'm going to get through the summer without our weekly dose of Blacklist!
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I loved it that Dembe wanted to be at Red's side again to protect him and fight this war with him. It was the highlight of the episode for me. Seeing these two together again was perfect! and he saved Red's life again!

So Marvin really was the mastermind behind all of this.. I never expected this and just because he was jealous of Liz's getting Red's empire that he wanted..

I can't take credit for knowing that Marvin was the one that betrayed Red cause I couldn't and did not want to believe it was him. It was Marilyn who came up with it.
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Old 05-21-2022, 06:10 AM
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Can I add that I also loved the duck whistle!!! When Ressler said is that a duck whistle. Omg. I laughed out loud. That was a great scene.

Yeah Marvin let jealousy get him. That makes me sad. I thought he just didn’t trust Liz. I didn’t realize how deep his hatred went. And I never thought Liz deserved the empire. But I never thought Marvin did. If anyone deserved it, it would be Dembe and he would have done what ever red wanted. Where do people get off thinking someone owes them something. Marvin worked for red and red paid him for it. And apparently Marvin has no idea who red is. And that is very surprising to me.

I love dembe and red. I hope this leads to him going back to red now.

I think marvin will go after Agnes now.
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Really good eppy this

- I'm glad we got to see how Marvin orchestrated the plan to get what he wanted..still who knew Marvin could get all that done..
- Aww so glad that Dembe and Red worked together again , lovely to see that and also Red saying and reiterating that he missed Dembe and is a great friends
- Good to see Cooper back in "charge" again, even though Aram still is
- Did when Red came out with a duck whistle..
- Cooper though, can understand why he said what he said, but he knows what Red will do considering what has happened.
- Now Cooper has stuffed it up and will Red/Cooper's friendship suffer because of it. Did love Red's last line..
- One thing though, geez Red's "girlfriend" is annoying me...
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Yes, Diamond, about Red's girlfriend...I'm so glad you mentioned her. I too am really tired of her presence! I get that she's there for her sister but everything that came out of her mouth to Red was unkind and maddening to me. Since she so clearly reviles Red now, she should go back to where she's from. Weecha seems just the opposite of her and cares very much about Red's well being and appears to do everything she can to ensure his safety. So, she can stay but Mercia must go! Just my take.

One last thing. I was glad to hear Park say she understood why the board had no choice but to take her off of field duty so it at least appeared that she, for now at least, has a peace about that. I'm just hoping her headaches don't turn out to be something life threatening.

I just remembered one REALLY last thing. Marilyn, you mentioned Agnes and that Marvin will be going after her now. I completely agree and even during some of the dialogue when Marvin was thinking on and working out a plan with his buddy to go forward, at one point (can't remember exactly right now), he mentioned Agnes but didn't dwell on her or indicate a plan to go after her, BUT at that moment, I too thought to myself, "Uh oh! Yep, THAT's where he's going next, to the one true vulnerability Red has, his love for Agnes. I kind of dread seeing Marvin going there but yeah, I agree that's most likely where he's going next.
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Old 05-21-2022, 05:44 PM
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I am so happy dembe worked with red. Best part of the show. I don’t think Dembe should have given cooper clues though.
Agree. Dembe giving those clues was kind of a betrayal. I don't believe Red would be happy to know about that.
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Yes, Diamond, about Red's girlfriend...I'm so glad you mentioned her. I too am really tired of her presence! I get that she's there for her sister but everything that came out of her mouth to Red was unkind and maddening to me. Since she so clearly reviles Red now, she should go back to where she's from. Weecha seems just the opposite of her and cares very much about Red's well being and appears to do everything she can to ensure his safety. So, she can stay but Mercia must go! Just my take.
I am too!, tbh the actress can't really act and she talks so quiet sometimes it's hard to understand her. plus no chemistry at all with James, so for me, as the audience, I cannot buy her as Red's girlfriend...
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I really hope that Marvin is not going after Agnes.. She is an innocent child and he should leave her alone!
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I am too!, tbh the actress can't really act and she talks so quiet sometimes it's hard to understand her. plus no chemistry at all with James, so for me, as the audience, I cannot buy her as Red's girlfriend...
And she keeps not choosing him. And he keeps asking her too. So not like him. It’s getting on my nerves. Bring back Anne.
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I really don't understand why he was with Mierce in the first place. And she obviously doesn't want him anymore.
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Don't understand it either..
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I really don't understand why he was with Mierce in the first place. And she obviously doesn't want him anymore.
Diamond & Miranda, I so agree with you guys about Mierca. I mean if the writers wanted Red to have a new girlfriend, they could have chosen someone at least a little more appeal or at least of a sympathetic character or else why give him a girlfriend at all, you know? I'm with Marilyn too, just for heaven's sake why not bring back Anne?! Now THERE was a relationship we could all believe in; they were so genuinely sincere and loving towards one another.

Ah well, now I guess what we have to hope for is that Marvin isn't successful in doing anything to harm Agnes! Makes me wonder if they'll wrap up this season with some kind of resolution for Cooper, Red and Marvin, or if they might let Marvin get away somehow and make him the main ongoing feature of the new season. Guess we'll know soon enough!
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I think there might be a resolution..

Aww Anne , now if she would come back that would have been
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