Wu

(this ^ is also used here when you respond to the person above)

I’m sorry but I feel little sympathy for Renard as he made that choice. He could have fought against it. So it’s okay for him to steal Nick’s family/son from him, just because he never got a chance to have a family with his daughter? Renard only used Adalind. He had no feelings for her. He tossed her aside along with Adalind’s mother when Adalind was of no use to them anymore. And why was Nick a part of that plan of stealing Diana from Adalind? Renard. He got Nick and the others involved.

Aah! I did not know that ^ represents that it was a response to the person above.

What I do know and saw was that Wu was able to vogue when he literally tried to beat the jit out of himself and was able to revert once he saw his own reflection and do a breathing/calming exercise.

I have no clue as to "what" exactly Wu vogues into but he seriously looks neanderthal. That's just based on my college education in anthropology. Who knows. He "might" be some kind of new and improved "something"?

I personally think, he had feelings for her.
And we also could go there that Adalind used Nick to get her powers back. That what there happend was an assault. Simple.

(Just that you know, I'm not attacking your ship. I would have not have had a problem with Nick/Adalind if the pairing would have happend differently. I have a problem with how the writers wrote Adalind in Season 4. I like her. )


It will be really interesting to see what kind of thing he will be. Mabe he really is a "new something". Can't wait to hear more about it.

I agree.

I must have seen a different first season of Grimm than you if you think Renard ever had feelings for Adalind. He used her feelings for him to get her to do his biding, simple as that. It was always shown that their relationship was one sided.

What are you talking about? How did Adalind use Nick to get her powers back? They slept together mutually this season. I'm confused at what you're trying to say. Do you mean when Adalind turned into Juliette? How was that an assault? She didn't force him if that's what you're getting at. Would you also say that Eve assulted Rachel when she slept with her as Renard? How about Renard trying to force Adalind to be with him sexually in last night's episode, would you consider that an assault? How about when Nick forced a kiss on Adalind and had her pinned down on the ground to get her to drink his blood in season 1, would you say that was an assault?


I have no problem with you not liking my ship as that is your progressive, but don't make stuff up just to justify not liking who I like.

Wow, you are getting this the total wrong way. ( I wrote you a pm)
I think we should just stop there and just talk about this episode :)

Considerd the mattar dropped as it should have not be brought up in the first place.


I still can't believe the words that were coming out Renard's mouth. He really has converted over to BC. He honestly believes all that crap BC are selling. His whole speech at mayoral election win was nuts but I can't say that I'm all that surprised. I mean he has always been about power so it's understandable why he wants to be on BC side. I would hate the thought of Kelly and Nick being enemies but both Bonaparte and Renard said the cause would still go on without Nick. I mean Bonaparte even told Adalind that Nick will die if he doesn't join them.

I admit it wasn't easy for Renard to give up Diana but he threw Adalind out like yesterday's trash after she lost her powers and became useless to him. Besides giving up their daughter, there's other reasons Adalind no longer likes Sean. She only tolerates him because of Diana. By her admission alone, Nick is the only man that has ever treated her with decency, especially when she didn't deserve it. Sean used her feelings to manipulate her most of their time "together". I think he was sleeping with both Adalind and her mother at the same time, if I remember correctly. That's not a sign of someone that cared for her.

Sean has lost his mind with this BC nonsense. I cannot believe he attempted to take what he could get from Adalind, ewww. Diana is too dangerous, I hope Adalind will realise that she can't have Kelly around Diana. She loves both her children and she wants to protect both but the best way to protect Kelly right now is to keep him away from that fire starter Diana. It's going to hurt to separate from another baby yet again (I don't see her leaving Diana even if she's the devil's spawn) but it must be done for his sake. I am glad Nick knows what's up. He's hurt that Adalind left him and took Kelly but he knows it was all Renard/BC orchestrated. He knows who's to blame for his whole life turned upside down, right now. Renard is messing with the wrong Grimm. It think just because he's known Nick to go soft on wesen, unlike other Grimms he automatically assumes Nick is going to roll over and let him/BC walk all over him. Clearly he's about to face reality. I can only see one way out for him at the end of this show, his death. His alliance with Nick is OVER!

Renard really showed his true colors. Leading up to a great finale :nod:

Sandra :hug:
Thanks so much for covering as Moderator while I'm out. It isn't always an easy job. :P

Yes, so true :clap:

Sherry :hug: I can handle it ;)

Did you watch the episode, Sherry?

She did a great job, welcome back Lutesse :)

I don't consider Wu wesen, but he is something and I am happy that he is learning to control the beast. He can help them in the final battle. Also Renard doesn't know about him so he is their ace in the hole.

Diana..Diana..Diana...no words except that she seriously needs to learn some boundaries.