Of all the ideas they had to choose from that we posted about....

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Use our power for good, guys! :lol:

To be serious for a minute, I don't think we had anything to do with it.

I really only brought it up because it's funny how mindsets change. I go over my posts from years past, and I don't know what I was thinking. I guess three years ago I wanted to see Bay and Travis hang out. Now, not so much.

:lmao: Ain't that the truth?

I hope we had nothing to do with it.

I distinctly remember when we were posting kind words about Travis. I was doing it in the hopes of encouraging the writers to continue the Deaf story. I felt that they had completely abandoned it in Season 2B, and THAT upset me greatly.

It wasn't that I was all that fond of Travis. I just wanted to be positive about all of the Deaf characters, because I missed the Deaf story. Season 2B was awful for dropping the ball with the Deaf story. What makes that even more sad is that Season 2A had been so good about exploring issues surrounding Deaf culture, and I was hungry for more.

I always liked Matthew more than Travis. I feel Matthew's character has more charisma. I even liked Cody better than Travis. Most people probably do not know who Cody is on the show, but he was played by Brian Gutierrez. The first time I remember seeing Cody is when Emmett walks out to the parking lot at Carlton and sees Bay ready to question him about their first kiss. I immediately thought that Cody is charming and I loved seeing him in various episodes throughout Season 2. He was part of the Deaf rap that the characters did in Uprising. I loved that moment!

Travis has always been my LEAST favorite of the Deaf characters. I'd rather see Bay have a romance with Emmett, Garrett, Cody, Matthew, Natalie, or even the invisible Jackson (in that order), before I would want to see her in a romance with Travis.

But of course, the writers have changed Emmett's character and plan to give us a Bay & Travis romance. I don't care much for Daphne, but I didn't even want Daphne to be with Travis. I wanted Daphne to be with someone who has more charisma.

I'm going to have to find a way to psyche myself up for this romance, because it is where the show is headed. I don't know how I am going to do it. It feels like a train wreck waiting to happen. I will hope that it will be good. I see a lot of people posting on YouTube, Reddit, and Twitter about how much they love a Bay & Travis pairing. I wish that they would come here and post on this thread. I need others to help me see the positives about this couple.

In Seasons 1A, and 1B, every twist and turn from the writers delighted me. It was as if they topped themselves every episode. All of that vanished in Season 1C. I have been patiently waiting for it to return, and although we have had glimmers, nothing has been as consistent as the excellence we received in Seasons 1A and 1B. I miss that.

I will make an effort to open my mind to a Bay and Travis pairing next season. If anyone can point out the positives, that would help.

Between Noah, Ty, and Tank, I am really over Bay's romantic pairings. I need help to accept Travis. I am afraid that I will spend the next season wishing Bay was with Garrett instead.

Lol really?

I have no interest in seeing Travis and Bay, friends or not. That's the downfall of Lizzy. Building it up for one half hardly makes me want to see it.

I'm still not set in stone about Travis and Bay. I think it could be compelling. They really have personalities that could butt heads but then calm each other and teach each other. And the farther I'm getting from the last few seasons, the more I'm not seeing Emmett and Bay's relationship as the be and end all. It was that great love people are supposed to have for a short period of time. Maybe it'll come back, but if it does it most certainly will not and should not be the same. Bay needs a more comfortable love right now. And I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think Travis may be able to give that to her. He's familiar to her and she and him have a lot in common. Not to mention that his interests, she already knows well (as her dad played baseball). Also, John likes him a lot lol.

As for Matthew...I really hated him. From moment one. And that reminds me, have we ever seen Jackson? LOL

We never saw Jackson, and I loved Matthew from moment one. I would not have minded seeing a Matthew & Emmett pairing at all. It would have been sexy as all get-out, in my opinion.

I agree with what you are saying about Bay and Travis calming each other and having a comfortable love. But the problem is that I do not want to see that. If it was real life, sure, bring it on for Bay. But on my TV screen, I don't see it as compelling. I see it as BORING.

Part of my problem is that I find the character of Travis repulsive. I have since day one. He was a jerk to Daphne and to John. He was a jerk to Bay. In the beginning, Travis treated Emmett poorly, but Emmett treated Travis poorly, too.

Travis was willing to cheat on his college courses. Travis thought Emmett should refrain from turning in Matthew for slashing the tires at Carlton. Travis is stupid enough to bring alcohol to a party in Melody's dorm full of underage students, risking her brand new Deaf program. Travis is stupid enough to send a drunk Bay to a private bedroom with her ex-boyfriend, while her current boyfriend (and his "brother") was 2000 miles away. Travis takes a swing at anyone who ticks him off. He wanted to play vigilante. I just do not like him.

But yeah, Travis could give Bay all of those things you mention, and I do love the baseball connection to Bay's dad.

For a couple of years, we have been posting this old article on the literary elements of an epic romance on this board. The hallmark of an epic romance is that the protagonist CANNOT have it all. She must find nearly everything she wants in her One True Pair, but then, there must be another man, who provides nothing that she wants, except for that missing trait that her One True Pair does not possess.

And the protagonist must choose between the two men.

Sometimes, I believe that is what the writers may be going for with Travis and Emmett.

Emmett has everything Bay wants, except for the fact that he will never be able to offer her security.

Travis has nothing Bay wants, except for the fact that he offers her complete security.

Who knows? Maybe that's not it. I don't know what the writers are doing.

All I know is that Travis's kiss turned my stomach. To me, a more compelling storyline would be about how Travis has fallen in love with someone he doesn't know and tries to sweep Bay off of her feet, because Travis will turn out to be an abusive character.

Sometimes people who have been abused feel the urge to abuse others. Travis has many of the classic signs of abusers. I don't believe he is a narcissist or anything, but I could see Travis trying to possess Bay and being abusive in that manner.

But then again, I really don't see the writers giving Bay any more troubles. She has been through enough with Tank.

I agree that if Bay & Emmett reunite, then their love should not be the same. No more romantic gestures or promises of forever or timelines or any of that stuff.

Bay & Emmett need to be less epic. That part of their relationship feels immature now, especially the timeline. All of it, every romantic gesture Emmett ever made to Bay feels so insincere.

There is a part of me that was sad to see Bay part with the blindfold. I loved that moment when Emmett unveiled her birthday surprise. But all of it is so tainted now that I guess it is okay that Bay gave it away.

I don't even want to see Bay ever on the back of Emmett's motorcycle again. No more helmets! Bay has thrown one in the lake and returned another to Emmett's mother. That's enough for the motorcycle helmets and for the motorcycle. Banish it all, I say.

I remember when Matthew was bullying Emmett and he posted all of Emmett's text messages all over the Carlton campus. I paused my TV to read those text messages, and I was surprised that Emmett had been so romantic with "Mandy" and had said many of the same things he had said to Bay to her.

Of course, I told myself that Emmett was "just trying to get that feeling back" like he said at Rivas Canyon, but even so, it is problematic that Emmett was using the same lines he used on Bay on Mandy. It makes Emmett look insincere. It wasn't that his love for Bay was special. Emmett is just a romantic with anyone and everyone he dates. That's who Emmett is.

I wonder who Travis will be. I wasn't impressed at all with Travis's behavior during his time with Mary Beth. I hated that he would not open up to her about his family. Perhaps Bay will get to meet Travis's real mother and become a part of his hearing family. Maybe Bay can teach them more ASL. Perhaps we will really explore Travis's home life. He has siblings and parents that he hates. Maybe Bay can help Travis heal all of that, in a way that Mary Beth never could. (Travis would not let Mary Beth meet his family. She only met his mom that one brief time at his graduation.)

I definitely think Bay would be able to get through to Travis' family. We saw her do it with Emmett's family and we do know the mother is the key. Plus, she's ballsy enough that I'm sure Bay could get his brother in line. That's part of the reason I think it could work with them and they could have a compelling story. And just because they would be stable and secure doesn't mean that they would not have interesting children. They are young still and if they get too comfortable too quickly they could make poor choices (not saying baby we already have one of those on the show). But they could decide to do something like leave school and go on the road with a baseball team like Kathryn and John did. Or they could try to grow up way too fast. But I still think the aneurism storyline is still lurking and that maybe Bay's character needs that they then we'll get medical emergencies. I'm not saying I hope so, but there are a lot of plot devices that could be used.

Would you want to watch Bay and Travis on the road with his baseball team? Would John be on the road with them, too? What would Daphne be doing, to interact with Bay, during this storyline?

Other than quickly marrying, how could Bay and Travis try to grow up way too fast? I'm not sure what that would look like.

I wish Travis's family was Deaf and not hearing. It would make it more interesting for me to watch Bay interact with them.

I remember that one time that Daphne visited Travis's home. It felt like such an emotionally broken place. I hate the thought of Bay being there and becoming a part of that world. I didn't like Travis's home life. Who would, of course? He was treated horribly by his family.

I still believe it would be a more interesting story, if Travis is broken, too, and becomes controlling and abusive, because of his insecurities. But I re-watched the last few minutes of the Season 4 Finale last night, and Daphne clearly tells Bay what a great guy Travis is (and how Bay should go for it with him).

That's so funny, though, because just two years earlier, Daphne was telling Emmett, "Travis is an angry guy."

Domestic violence is certainly a controversial, intense, and important story, as Lizzy Weiss has touted Switched at Birth will continue to tell every season. The show took some flack with fans and critics alike for choosing Tank as the rapist last season.

Would the show be ballsy enough to make Travis a perpetrator of domestic violence?

Would the show be ballsy enough to make Bay a victim, yet again?

Realistically speaking, after surviving an assault in the way that Bay has, and after being switched and feeling rejected by all of her parents, I could see Bay being insecure enough to stay with Travis, despite signs he is growing controlling and abusive.

Would Melody ignore those signs? Would the Kennishes? Would Regina?

Quite often family members feel helpless as to how to save someone who is in a relationship plagued by domestic violence. It could be a really interesting plot.

OR, rather than the aneurysm story-line (something about the idea of bleeding brains makes me squeamish--I rather hope the show does NOT go there again), I would like to see Travis be a good guy and stand by Bay through her first real bout of alcoholism.

Emmett stood by Bay, as she went through a number of emotional problems. If Travis is going to be Bay's boyfriend now, then it is his turn. How would Travis handle dating a woman who is deep in the throes of alcohol abuse? It would not be an easy situation to manage. He would need to be careful not to betray Bay's trust by confiding her secrets in others, and yet, he might need to confide those secrets in order to get Bay some much needed help.

Would Travis still be attracted to an alcoholic Bay? Or would that take some of the sheen off of their romance? Alcoholism takes a toll on relationships, on love.

Would Travis turn to Daphne for help?

I remember when Bay snitched on Daphne in regards to her cocaine use and how betrayed Daphne felt by Bay going to their parents. Bay will be an adult now. She would presumably no longer be a child living at home with her parents. Will Bay feel betrayed by Daphne, too, if both she and Travis seek help from her parents?

And again, this would be another story opportunity that would give Regina a legitimate reason to finally bond with Bay. Regina has been there. She knows how difficult alcoholism is to defeat.

But will the writers allow Bay to live something so dark as alcoholism? Or even something so dark as a flare up of her genetic propensity to develop an aneurysm?

And it's amazing to me how little any of this means without Emmett. He is truly the heart of the show for me.

I think I would enjoy watching Travis struggle with a really difficult situation involving Bay. I like the idea of Bay being the weak one, rather than Travis, and discovering whether Travis has enough salt to help Bay dig out of what ever problem she is encountering. I don't like the idea of Bay being the strong white knight rescuing Travis nearly as much. We spent seasons watching Bay rescue people already, often while she neglected her relationship with Emmett. None of that gave Bay an opportunity to grow, in my opinion.

It made me uncomfortable watching Bay. It started with Bay wanting to rescue Emmett during his parents' divorce. And then, she wanted to rescue Zarra. Next, Bay wanted to help Noah, as he adjusted to his Deafness, and then, Ty and Mary Beth, as they each suffered the effects of war. Bay followed that by trying to help Tank with his fraternity life, and then, rescuing Emmett from his catfish and bullying. Bay wanted to give Matthew space to "come out" in his own time. And she wanted to help Natalie & Hilary with the dress code at prom. Eventually, Bay was back to wanting to help Tank again, with his father. While she was at it, she tried to help Tess. I know Bay was proud of herself in each and every instance, and I know she felt good about herself. As much as I liked seeing her take pride in her accomplishments, I would like to see more for her character than that.

If Bay continues on her bent of helping others, I wonder if it will be Travis. Or will Travis be the one who has to take a backseat, like Emmett did, while Bay helps everyone else.

For me, since Bay & Travis do not have that same chemistry or magic as Bay & Emmett, I will not enjoy watching them happy together. If I am going to get on board with a Bay & Travis pairing, then I need to see them struggle with something serious and some real flaws in their relationship, so I have something to root for them to overcome.

I can't watch Bay & Travis take on the world, in the same way I dreamed of watching Bay & Emmett do that. I need to watch Bay & Travis take on each other.

I think a big obstacle for Bay and Travis is that he knows what Bay and Emmett felt for each other/still do.

It would be difficult for me to be with someone who I saw with my own two eyes being madly in love with someone else, and that someone else was a friend/pseudo-sibling. Not that Bay couldn't love Travis.

Of course people become widowed or get divorced and they can love again, but they're all still pretty young. At 20, I might have been too insecure to have been with someone who had a prior relationship as intense as Bay and Emmett that I was privy to. Maybe it would be different if Travis didn't know Emmett.

But maybe I am off and it wouldn't bother Travis at all.

yep. if bay and emmett's previous relationship doesn't make travis insecure, it would be convenient plot writing by LW to makes things easy and nice without making bay or travis look bad. same goes for if mary beth is supportive right off the bat. realistically, there should be tension and hurt.

I don't really care an iota about MB, but agreed. I can't imagine her tooting her horn for Bay and Travis to hook up.

And I cannot see Travis as being all "Nah, it's totes cool that you and Emmett may be in the same vicinity somewhere."

If they do that it'll be the biggest whitewash ever.

Even though Joey chose him, Pacey was always insecure about the Dawson-Joey connection. At least in the fourth season.

Pretty much every ex of Bay's has acknowledged Emmett. Ty, Noah, Tank, Alex.

Even if they wanted to portray Travis as the most mature of boyfriends, I can't picture him not being slightly jealous.

I wonder if Travis knows about the timeline. If it's even still there.

Travis is gonna go there with spray paint and be like Bay and Emmett4never.

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I'm not sure how it would look exactly, but I could see them trying to jump into a really mature relationship when neither of them have really worked up to that. They don't really know how to work out problems and I could see them stuffing it down.

I think it may be interesting to see some on the road episodes and no John! LOL Remember all the trouble Kathryn and John got into on the road...or at least the stuff that we were told about. I think it could be fun and cause some drama for a new couple. Plus, Bay would basically turn into his translator and that could cause some issues itself. And what would be happening to Daphne? I don't know...I don't know if I care, lol. They could interact with Skype or things like that.

As for the DV plotline or Alcoholism one...I'm not big on seeing alcohol as the big bad on the show again. We've seen it a few times already. I'm a little over it. As for the DV plotline...that could be interesting, but I feel it may not gel nicely with the characters and may seem forced. And I don't know if I could actually watch it unfold.

And I think that's what would happen. They are both headstrong. And we've seen them challenge each other repeatedly. I think that they would take on each other as much as the outside issues. I also think Travis has too much pride to let Bay solve all his problems. He would stop her because his whole thing is wanting to take care of her. I think he would fight for her to fight for herself. I think they would have a lot of internal struggles. I think Bay wouldn't be so much rescuing Travis as helping him heal. I think there is a whole different dimension to it. I also think that if Bay let it slip to his family that he was abused by a family friend, then that would be the moment I think his father would come around (and possibly rage on the unknown man). Travis would be embarrassed and angry but have to confront so many of the issues that make him angry.

I also think Travis is a caregiver and protector a lot like Bay is so they would both be overstepping at times, which would be interesting (and possibly funny). I really do see a lot of possibilities for them. I do think he would be extremely insecure about Emmett too so that would be interesting!

As for MB, I think we can just drop her from the show...honestly, she was a crappy friend and girl friend. Good riddance. LOL

I'm really starting to wonder if we need a thread to just fully compare DC and SaB with the possible Dawson/Emmett, Joey/Bay, and Pacey/Travis comparisons we always seem to bring up lol.

Yeah pretty much I can see it already lol

Travis has got several things going for him, though.

1. Emmett is at school in California, so his interaction with Bay will be limited to short visits over the holidays, and there is really no reason for Bay and Emmett to interact, even when he does visit.
   
2. Also, Emmett treated Bay so horribly wrong there at the end, that I doubt Travis will believe Bay is interested in going back to that kind of abuse.
   
3. And finally, Emmett is all wrapped up in Skye. He may not have wanted Travis to date Bay, but as he said himself, Emmett is truly happy with Skye.

I could see the writers going for a more confident Travis, since he has spent his first few years on the series being insecure. If I am going to buy into a Travis and Bay love connection, at all, I don't have the patience to deal with an insecure Travis.

After everything Bay has gone through, I wonder if she will be insecure? She wasn't in the Season 4 Finale, but she had not really bought into the idea of her and Travis being linked romantically yet. Bay may be insecure, similar to how Mary Beth was insecure, if she actually falls in love with Travis. She has been cheated on and abandoned so many times that it would not be out of character for Bay. Plus, Travis's star is rising as a baseball player.

It might be interesting to watch a secure Travis be gentle with an insecure Bay. Someone could finally treat Bay right, after years of boyfriends that don't know how.

I could go for that.

Yeah you may be right about that.. I guess we are going to have tosee though