LOL. Just give Travis a chance. I think Ryan Lane is a good actor. I think maybe you are comparing him to Sean too much. The boys have different styles and different ways to emote. Their characters are also very different. Emmett is much more open while Travis has been emotionally hurt and defensive from the start. I wouldn't say that it makes anything fake, I just think it's harder for his character to be completely open.

Yeah that could be part of it too I think he is really good too

What do you like about Travis's character?

Since Carlton had that fundraiser, and Daphne used Travis to make Chef Jeff jealous, I have liked Travis's relationship with John.

Then, I thought that I was going to like Travis as a friend to Emmett. They shared a couple of good scenes and nice chemistry, but the writers neglected that relationship.

I also thought that I was going to like Travis with Mary Beth. Their original moment with the dog tags was quite sweet. But again, the writers neglected their relationship, and it ended up feeling insincere to me.

Daphne always seemed like someone who overwhelmed Travis, in a romantic relationship. He was no match for her confidence and strength.

I wonder how it will be with Bay and Travis. Bay is different from Daphne. Will Bay and Travis be well-matched? Or will one of them overwhelm the other?

I believe in Travis's anger, so Ryan Lane's acting isn't at fault.

You are right. Ryan Lane and Sean Berdy do have different styles and different ways to emote. That's true. And their characters are very different. I agree that Travis has been emotionally hurt and was defensive from the start.

With the way the story is written, though, I don't think that we are supposed to believe Travis's feelings for Daphne or Mary Beth ever ran all that deep, at least, not in the way that Emmett's feelings for Bay ran deep.

I see Travis as written to be a shallow character. Because of the abuse and neglect he suffered as a child, Travis seems to have difficulty accessing the imaginative, creative, understanding, emotional part of his brain. In certain ways, Travis allows himself to be brainwashed by others. He often does not think for himself.

Although I am beginning to wonder if Emmett's feelings for Bay ever ran all that deep either. The writing is all over the place on that one. In Seasons 1 and 2, it seemed like Emmett's feelings for Bay had tremendous depth, but maybe that was just Emmett's guilt over cheating. Because in Season 3, Emmett wooed Mandy with the same words he used to woo Bay, and Mandy wasn't even real. Plus, in Season 4, Emmett dropped Bay so quickly it confuses me. Could Emmett's feelings for Bay ever have been all that special, if he ended their relationship that easily? I don't think so. I believe Emmett is just as shallow of a character as Travis. Emmett just had me fooled. Now I am beginning to wonder if Travis was the deep one, all along. Travis's feelings for Bay do seem to run much deeper than anything Emmett ever felt for Bay.

Of course, Travis has a lot to learn about Bay yet. He sees the surface: her beauty, her creativity, her quirkiness, etc. Travis doesn't know about Bay's decision to take the fall for Daphne. He doesn't know about the depths of her selflessness, which are rather scary. And Travis doesn't know about Bay's strong moral stance on most issues. He's sees her as a convicted felon and thinks "that's totally bad ass." Bay doesn't believe Daphne's felony property damage with a crow bar was bad ass, and yet Travis believes Bay is the one who did it, and he totally thinks it is.

Will the writers re-write Bay's character and pretend that things like morality, honesty, and authenticity do not matter to her? (Or will they show Bay to have evolved at least to a place where she isn't so hellbent on those things?) Or will the writers retcon Travis's character so that he IS hellbent on them, too? (Or will they show Travis's growth to where those things begin to matter to him?)

Or will that be a source of conflict for the couple?

Bay didn't like that Tank didn't blow the whistle on the dog fight, until after she found out about it and called his hand on it. That's one of the reasons why Bay said, "I don't know if Tank is ever going to be the person I want him to be."

Bay did like that Emmett turned in Matthew for slashing tires. She told Emmett, "You did the right thing." Whereas, Travis was dead-set against Emmett turning in Matthew. Travis told Emmett that Matthew's choice to frame the hearing kids at Carlton, for slashing the Deaf kids' tires and breaking their car windows, was "pretty bad ass." Travis was impressed and utterly delighted by the idea. He found it entertaining.

Travis doesn't see a problem with bending the truth to surprise your crush with an art show she didn't earn for herself. He doesn't see the problem with cheating on an essay at school.

Whereas Bay didn't even want Emmett to post a picture of himself planking on the internet, because it wasn't "authentic" since Bay and Emmett had "staged" it and asked the guys at the store to act like they weren't there.

Is Travis ready for that kind of moral zeal? Or is Bay going to change, once she starts dating Travis?

I want to give Travis a chance. I like his scenes with John Kennish, especially the recent scenes on the baseball field. I could see Travis as John's son-in-law and understand what a close relationship the two men could share. Heck, the reason John reached out to Travis in the first place is because he was sad that he couldn't share a closer relationship with his own son, Toby.

Both Melody and John seem to enjoy a closeness in their relationships with Travis that is not provided by their relationships with their own children.

But I can't give Travis a chance, because watching him turns my stomach. I don't like his disloyalty to Emmett. At one time, when Travis first became friends with Emmett, I thought that the writers might allow Travis to be cute. But I look back to how pushy and violent Travis has always been, and I can't get past that.

I can forgive Travis for things like wanting to sue John, when he tried to fire him for cussing out a customer at the car wash in Season 1.

But when Travis stood against Bay during the uprising, even as Natalie stood up for her, that bothered me. Travis making a move on Bay bothers me. He knows how deeply Emmett's feelings run for Bay. He knows about what happened with Tank. Why doesn't he help Emmett? His choice to make a move on Bay is extremely disloyal.

Screenshots of a half dozen moments when I disliked Travis follow this paragraph, but there are literally dozens more. Switched at Birth excels at bringing on new guest stars, often to the show's detriment. I'd rather the writers create a new character for Bay to share a romance, than to stick her with this one. I don't want to watch any more scenes with Travis, unless the writers show us something a lot deeper than what we have seen so far. I refuse to root for him.

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Over and over again in those scenes we see him trying to do what he thinks is right, so he doesn't get hurt (well except the last scene). The stuff with Carlton was at the start when he was still living with his family and so extraordinarily angry because he was pretty much being neglected at home. He made mistakes, but we've seen him grow pretty much the entire time. We've really only seen a fraction of the abuse and hurt that he's had to live with because he shuts it down really quickly. But then we've seen how he can still have such joy equal to that of a child (when he got to meet the deaf athlete). There are many sides to his character that we've yet to see.

I also think that he can't be blamed for what happened with Bay. They were friends, but not really good friends at the time. And he'd seen Tank around with Bay for awhile (I'm sure) and thought they were friends like he was with Bay. That's a very dangerous thing and a big reason people don't always foresee these types of activities. In fact, I have heard from quite a few boy the last couple of days (there is a hoopla in dorms regarding sexual assault right now) that they wouldn't do it so they don't see how another guy could and none of their friends would do it because they wouldn't be friends with that type of guy. Over and over again I have to explain that you won't know who would do it until after the action is done. Travis didn't think for one moment that Tank would go in there and make a move on Bay. That wasn't because he didn't care, if he had known what would have happened, he sure as hell would have been there.

Also, I don't believe Travis owes Emmett any loyalty. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Emmett has moved on so Bay is fair game if she wants to be with him. I have seen this happen in friendships around me and the person that throws a fit because they gave up the other person and then didn't get them ultimately loses and makes themselves look terrible in the process because they get vindictive. They don't have any right to say that no one else can date that person. They also have no right to reserve that person for the rest of their life. Travis did let Emmett know that he liked Bay and that was way more respect than he even needed to pay Emmett. Emmett broke up with Bay and moved on with Skye. Bay can now date anyone she chooses. Hell, if Emmett's father was single she could date him (although that would be gross), it would be within her right.

As for Bay's moral zeal, I think Travis could balance her out. They would butt heads and I think later balance. Although, she is already easing on some of her moral grounds. She talked about how sex was such a big deal (when she thought Ty cheated on her) and then she goes and sleeps with Garrett. I think she's starting to become more adult with her views too.

Do I think Travis/Bay is going to be perfect? No because I'm still not sure they're even going to happen. I also am not going to jump on their ship until I see them actually together.

I agree

I agree that Travis is trying to do the right thing. The problem is that his definition of the right thing is the opposite of Bay's definition of the right thing.

Perhaps that is the reason for some of Travis's attraction to Bay. He may sense that she will help him grow in ways he needs.

I agree that there are many sides to Travis's character and probably still more sides that the writers could show us. They've barely begun to scratch the surface. I'm not interested in following Travis's character, though. I am turned off by him. I wish that I wasn't. I really do. The show is so much more enjoyable when I can follow the story of characters I love.

I keep going back to Travis's scenes with John Kennish, because I do like Travis in those scenes. I like DW Moffett in general, and I enjoy watching John, as he sees himself in Travis. I also like Travis's scenes with Emmett. They have a nice onscreen chemistry. I like boys. They're fun! When those two hang out together, it reminds me how much I would love to have a son.

Something strange happened to my growing appreciation of Travis, though, during the time he dated Mary Beth on the show. The scene with the dog tags was sweet, but after that moment, I did not enjoy them as a couple. It felt as though Mary Beth patronized Travis. She was trying to be respectful and considerate of him, but something strange was happening between them. I remember when Travis lied to Melody about his reasons for skipping his college interview, and Mary Beth accidentally blew his cover. I remember when Travis lied about knowing how to dance, and Mary Beth discovered that, too. We never saw Travis and Mary Beth kissing passionately, although we had seen Travis making out with a college girl at the beginning of Season 2. And Travis kissed Daphne passionately later in Season 2. Plus, Travis shut down Mary Beth when she tried to talk to him about his family.

I stopped liking Travis while he was dating Mary Beth. He seemed like a character without courage. He seemed weak. When I couple that feeling with his stance against Bay at Carlton, with his desire to be a vigilante after Daphne was attacked, with his decision to not stand by Emmett during this breakup with Bay, ugh, I cannot stand him. Bleh.

Travis sure was quick to tell Emmett that you don't narc on your friends when Matthew was slashing tires and framing the hearing kids, but he cannot be loyal to a friend who opened up his home to him during a true time of need?

Emmett did not have to share his home or his mother with Travis. He volunteered to do so. If a girlfriend did that for me, and I watched her mourn for two years over a boy, I sure as hell wouldn't step in and try to make a move on the boy, as soon as she broke up with him.

That's just selfish. And when feelings run as deep as Bay's for Emmett, it's setting yourself up for a world of hurt, too.

Maybe it's a generational thing. Maybe teens today are more naive than my generation. I was taught that if a drunk girl goes to a private bedroom with a drunk guy, then count on something happening. I find it hard to believe Travis could think differently, but maybe I am out of touch with this generation.

The guy that Travis slugged in his dorm said that everyone knew Bay and Tank were going to hook up that night. Travis knew that Tank was Bay's ex-boyfriend. Why would Travis tell Tank to take Bay to a private bedroom? Is Travis that naive? If Travis had been any kind of friend to Emmett, he would have been asking Bay what she was doing flirting with Tank and letting him put his hands all over her, while her boyfriend is away.

Travis himself told Melody he felt responsible. Don't forget he is the one who brought alcohol to the party, too. Travis is a jerk and a dud, if you ask me, but if that's who Bay wants to hook up with next, then she should go for it.

I agree that Bay has the right to date anyone, even Emmett's father. But Emmett's father doesn't have the right to date Bay, not if he loves Emmett.

And Travis doesn't have the right to date Bay, either, if he cares about Emmett.

Emmett never said no one else can date Bay, as you suggest. I think Emmett would have been fine with Bay dating Garrett (or anyone else). He may have even been a bit impressed, if he had discovered that she did.

Emmett asked Travis not to date Bay.

If I opened up my home to someone for two years and treated that person like a sibling, and then, that person made a move on the love of my life right after we broke up, I would be pissed. If you factor in the fact that it is a confusing time, because the breakup is coming on the heels of an incident where I felt betrayed by the love of my life, then all hell would be breaking loose.

I'm surprised Emmett listened to Melody so readily and put Bay first. I still hope Emmett cuts off Travis for his selfishness. And I hope Travis learns loyalty.

But Bay and Tank didn't balance each other out, and Tank's morals were a heck of a lot better than Travis's morals are, and Tank still wasn't good enough for Bay.

I agree that Bay is loosening up about sex. That's one of the reasons I asked if you believe the writers will show Bay to not be so hellbent on those things. I still chuckle at the juxtaposition of John and Kathryn contemplating swinging with another couple at the same moment Bay is visiting Emmett at Chrome and discussing Tank's immorality in not putting a stop to the dog fight.

Bay thinks she knows her parents and bases her morals off of their upbringing, yet Bay doesn't have a clue as to who her parents truly are. Does anyone ever, though?

I do believe Bay will loosen up about sex, even more. Garrett is good for Bay. The situation with Tank was good for Bay. She is learning what sex means and what it doesn't mean.

But I am not so sure Bay will ever get over her need for authenticity. Travis needs to get with the program quickly, if he wants to be with Bay. She is not going to tolerate someone doing things for her, especially not behind her back.

Travis's decision to rent the space and give Bay a fake art opening is less worrisome to me than his decision to tell Garrett about Tank, in a move to keep Garrett from pursuing Bay. Who Bay should date is Bay's choice to make, not Travis's choice.

Trying to make that choice for Bay is a red flag and such an invasion of Bay's privacy. Can you imagine Bay telling women whom she didn't want to date Travis that he had been raped? That's wrong.

The only thing I like about Bay and Travis as a romantic couple is that it is could allow Daphne and Emmett to unite as a romantic couple.

I don't believe the writers will ever go there, even if they do pair Bay and Travis together, but I would love to see Daphne and Emmett finally have a chance at love.

Daphne has been floundering in every relationship with every man, all along. Maybe it is because Emmett is the one for her.

Remember these moments? The picture quality is poor, but these are all of the moments, compressed into one three-minute short, that tell me Daphne and Emmett share a real love.

Watching these moments, I don't believe it has to be limited to friendship.

I've been giving Bay & Travis's romantic relationship a lot of thought lately. Do most people believe the writers will go there, with these two, and explore a relationship? I think that they will.

Earlier today, I was thinking about the possibility of Travis being insecure with Bay. His confidence seems to be on a true upswing, and he may not show any insecurity at all. He was awkward around Mary Beth and took forever to kiss her (despite being such a good kisser, according to Daphne, and now Bay). Plus, Travis was insecure of his dancing ability and his deafness around Mary Beth. He thought he could not compete with hearing guys for Mary Beth's affection, at the time.

But maybe Travis has worked through all of that now. He is so adamant that Bay is the love of his life, and he didn't have any insecurity kissing her, despite her protests. Perhaps Travis never had real feelings for Mary Beth, maybe that is what caused his insecurites. And now that Travis does have them for Bay, all of his insecurities are gone.

Yet, Travis only has two male friends (Emmett and Garrett), and both of them have had sex with Bay. Will that affect Travis? Both of them have a lot more experience with women, than Travis, too, but maybe the writers will not explore that. Perhaps Travis doesn't have any insecurities, when it comes to measuring what he has to offer Bay. He may know that he is head and shoulders better than Emmett or Garrett.

I wonder if Travis would be insecure of Bay's friendship with Ty, if he should return?

I'm thinking Travis won't be insecure at all for some reason, not around any of Bay's previous boyfriends. I am thinking Travis will feel like he is boss, because loving Bay gives him such a confidence boost.

It will be interesting to see, though. I wonder if Travis will keep trying to do things for Bay, or if he will chill and enjoy her company.

I also wonder how college and baseball will continue to go for Travis. Do you all think he will have an easy time with both?

If the writers choose to go there, this could be a huge season for Travis. We could see him finally work through his issues with his own family. We could see him grow closer to Melody and be a big brother to the new twins. He could be a success in college, with Kathryn's continued tutoring help. He could make it into the major leagues, with John's continued coaching. The sky might be the limit for Travis this season.

Garrett will probably be happy for Travis and Bay. Maybe Emmett will come around and give Travis his support, too. Travis is his brother, after all. Emmett should want what is best for him.

Woah...this comment is such a drastic turnaround from how you normally talk about Travis. I don't really think Travis would be insecure around her ex boyfriends. It's hard to guess of course, but his insecurities were really about not having a place or a family and feeling alienated because he is Deaf. Bay and her family accepted him and gave him a place as did Melody. He then is able to open up to them. When he opens up and is honest with people, he is very secure with who he is. It's like he has to trust the person to let them know how he really feels. I don't think he ever trusted MB, she really had to force her way into his life. With Bay and her family he is able to talk about his insecurities and really listen to feedback. I remember when Travis was having trouble with English and he went to John and Kathryn (although he struggled for awhile with it anyway).

How is it a turnaround? Do you mean that this post is more positive than I usually am, in regards to Travis's character?

In this post, I am talking about how I believe Travis sees himself. In my other posts, I am usually talking about how I see Travis.

Maybe insecure is the wrong word. Maybe uncomfortable is a better word, for this situation. (Although I could see Travis being insecure, too.)

Right now, I'm thinking about my two best friends. Their names are Vicki and Vanessa, and we go to movies together, hang out at each other's homes, and meet in restaurants, just like Travis and his two buddies, Emmett and Garrett, do.

If I began dating a man, and I knew that both Vicki and Vanessa had sex with him, especially in the last few months, then that would feel weird to me. None of us have ever dated the same people.

These days, do most young people do that, date their best friends' past lovers? Maybe it's a generational thing, but my friends and I have never done that. I've purposefully avoided dating my best friend's exes, even if I found them cute.

Once my boyfriend and I visited my best friend Vicki, at her house. She had a younger brother who was still in elementary school, and while Vicki and I chatted and caught up with each other, my boyfriend went out in the backyard to play catch with her little brother. I thought my boyfriend was a total dreamboat for doing that. But that moment would have had an entirely different feel to it, if I knew that my boyfriend had slept with my best friend, before he dated me. If that was the case, then that moment would have made me feel jealous. I would have felt that his playing catch with her little brother was more about his feelings for her, than his feelings for me.

And as weird as it would be if my two best friends had previously slept with my boyfriend, it would be even weirder if my sister Sandy had. Our family gets together for holidays. Knowing that my sister had slept with my boyfriend would make Easter, the Fourth of July, Thanksgiving, and Christmas so awkward. We take family vacations together and share hotel suites. Again, awkward. I'm not a terribly insecure person, but if I knew my boyfriend had a "Bay and Emmett" type of relationship with my sister, before he started dating me, then yeah, holidays and family vacations would be difficult for me.

I wonder how Bledsoe holidays and family vacations will be for Travis, now, if he and Bay become a true couple.

I do feel like Travis has been able to build trust with the Bledsoes and the Kennishes, but I feel his insecurities stem from something a lot deeper than not having a home and being Deaf. As a child, I think Travis suffered years of neglect and abuse at the hands of his family, and he said that he suffered years of bullying in hearing schools, before he found Carlton. Those things have a way of making people deeply insecure. I wouldn't think the writing is realistic, if Travis has been healed of his insecurities, simply because Melody gave him a place to stay and John has been a mentor.

* I think Travis is still struggling with his English. Kathryn seemed quite frustrated with him, while she was trying to tutor him. It didn't seem like an easy fix, to me. And I thought John was the one that forced that information out of Travis, rather than Travis coming to the Kennishes for help.

Yeah that's what I meant, sorry I'm half distracted while responded and doing a terrible job with discussions today but if I want to get in them before they fade away I only have time right now...lol.

As for family vacations, do they actually take them? My family has never taken a family vacation. It's always going to a family reunion if there is one or not going anywhere. Not every family has them so I think that may be a moot point.

As for the final one, I found the scene on YouTube again to make sure before I talked about it (link here). John is talking coaching with Kathryn in the kitchen and Travis comes over. He then asks for John's help with his paper (no pushing involved) and then John says that Kathryn could do it not him. I also don't think it should be a easy fix. I thought the way the scenes played out with Travis being frustrated and Kathryn being frustrated back is very true to the situation.

Mexico.

I do not believe it is a moot point, at all. Melody and Gabe will be big family vacation people. I can see that clearly. Gabe takes this parenting stuff seriously, and Melody will, too.

Melody has specifically told Travis and Emmett that she wants them to work together as big brothers to these two twins she is adopting. I believe she even used the word need, as in she needs them to come together to support her in this family endeavor.

Will Travis set himself up to make all of that awkward, if he pursues a serious relationship with Bay? Will Travis and Emmett be able to be big brothers to these twins, as Melody hopes that they will?

Will Bay be able to enjoy going on family vacations with the Bledsoes, as Travis's life partner? Which brings us to another interesting point to ponder:

In another thread, Kassie, we talked about the right of parents to maintain a relationship with a child's ex. You agreed with the advice columnist that the mother should not send a letter to her son's ex-girlfriend, to wish her well in her new life.

As I watched the spring break in Mexico episode, I remember the irony of Bay's line, "How dare he. How dare he come on this trip with all of us. How dare he."

Didn't Bay realize that Melody belongs to Emmett? Bay should not have been astonished at the audacity of Emmett to accompany his mother on a vacation. Bay should have been astonished at her own audacity in thinking that she had a right to go on a vacation with Emmett's mother, after they had broken up.

Melody belongs to Emmett. She always has and she always will.

It's unfair of Bay to try to hold onto her relationship with Melody, now that she and Emmett have broken up. If Travis and Emmett are brothers, then it was unfair of her to try to develop a friendship with Travis after the breakup, as well.

Emmett and Daphne were best friends long before Bay ever came into the picture in either one of their lives. That's different, for that reason. But even at some point, Emmett may need to let go of his friendship with Daphne, if she and Bay are truly sisters.

It's all interesting to ponder.

To me, that scene was about Travis going to his baseball coach, because that is what a baseball player should do, if they are having difficulty in school. It didn't have to do with trusting John, as much as that's just what the rule book says you are supposed to do.

Hope we hear more on these two soom

I wouldn't call Mexico a vacation at all. It was a volunteer study trip for the girls. I went on one of those in college when I went to Jamaica and did volunteer work. I wouldn't call that a vacation at all even though we had some free time and spent that at a resort. It wasn't the main reason they went there.

As for the how dare he line, I took that as she had been told he wouldn't be coming on their school's study trip and then he decided to after he. Technically, he shouldn't have been able to come since it would have been sponsored through the school. He went because Gabe called him and it was a surprise for Melody. Melody didn't know, but Emmett knew for sure that Bay would be there.

The teens were calling it "spring break" and it's just the kind of vacations that my family took every year. We'd tag along with my brother-in-law's work, and it took us all to places like Colorado Springs, CO, Lancaster, PA, Savannah, GA, etc. In my mind, Gabe is an adventurous guy, and he wants family. He'll be asking Melody and their brood to travel all over the world. If Travis dates Bay, that will make things painful for Emmett. And how will Bay feel when Emmett shows up with Skye (or even worse, with his new wife)?

The kind of feelings Bay and Emmett have for each other don't disappear.

Emmett sure would have been allowed to go.

The only people from UMKC were Melody, Daphne, Travis, and Bay. The dozens of other people who were part of the mission had nothing to do with UMKC. Emmett was one of those people. He wasn't part of the UMKC group. That was true for most everyone there.

What do you mean by "Emmett knew for sure that Bay would be there"?

Emmett says himself he had no idea that she would be there. Travis tells Bay that Emmett didn't know she would be there. Even Bay admits that Emmett didn't know she would be there. Bay was a last minute tag along and seeing as she is not a part of the Deaf program at UMKC, I don't even know how she was allowed to attend. Melody must have pulled some special strings for her, but at my school, it would not have been allowed. There are too many liability issues that come with taking people on a school sponsored trip.

But to be honest, I don't even think it WAS a school-sponsored trip. Melody tells Daphne that she is going as a way to spend her spring break. Melody is taking Travis with her, as her son, not as part of the school's Deaf program. No other Deaf students are going.

Daphne asks to go with Melody as a friend, again, not as part of the school program. And Daphne asks last minute. Then, Bay asks even after that.

Bay had no business being there. I feel she is trying to cling to Emmett's family as her own. Can you imagine if Emmett asked John and Kathryn to go on a vacation with them? Or even Regina? Now that Bay and Emmett have broken up, it would be weird.

If Bay hooks up with Travis, then I guess she will have a right to stay close to Melody. Otherwise, Bay should really let her connection to Melody go. It's not cool. Emmett doesn't mind, but he should be able to surprise his mother on spring break, without worrying about his ex girlfriend being there.

EDITED TO ADD: All that being said, I think I need to let it go. :lol:

I'm too emotional about it. Rereading my post, I realize that I'm letting the situation upset me. I think it would be healthier for Bay to let go of the Bledsoe clan, but if she feels her connections to the Bledsoes are important, Emmett doesn't care. For me and my sanity, after such a painful breakup, I'd limit my contact with Melody and Travis, but I've got years of experience Bay doesn't have yet.

I remember Bay telling Emmett's ghost that she'd get rid of him, to just give her time. The process will go more quickly and be a cleaner break, if she lets go of Melody and Travis, too, but perhaps that's not what Bay wants. If Bay is interested in a life with Travis, maybe both of them need to disassociate with Emmett and Melody.

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I did go back and re-watch all of Season 4. The trip to Mexico was definitely not a school trip. It had nothing to do with UMKC. At one point, Travis does tell Bay that he can get extra-credit in one of his classes, if he writes a paper on the experience. But that's no different than Emmett wanting to get some good footage for his class on documentaries. Neither UMKC nor USC were involved in this trip. It was Gabe's work, and he invited Melody to be a part of it. Melody asked Travis, because she sees him as a son. Daphne asked if she could tag along, because she wanted to do something meaningful. Bay heard about it, and she asked if she could tag along because of her desire to interview in person for the Frida Kahlo program.

I know Melody is like a second (well, third) mom to Daphne, but I still think it would be healthier for Bay to let her connection to Melody go, now that Bay and Emmett are definitely over. Of course, if Bay dates Travis next, that puts Bay right smack dab in the middle of Emmett's life again. At least Emmett is far away this time, unlike when Bay chose to go to Carlton.

Even Daphne seems ready and willing to let go of her friendship with Emmett, in order to be a good and loyal sister to Bay.

It seems to me that Bay should stick with her connection to Daphne, Toby, and her parents. Bay doesn't need Melody or Travis in her life, unless Bay is really in love with Travis.

I do agree that Bay should distance herself from Melody. Not completely of course because of the obvious reasons, but she shouldn't go to her for issues or view her the same way Daphne does.

I knew it wasn't a vacation, so I just assumed it was a school sponsored work experience trip for the Deaf program. That was my bad.

I guess I'm less likely to say for Bay to let go of all of the friends. This is because about a year ago I broke up with my ex and I gave him all of our mutual friends in the breakup. It was really tough on him and I honestly felt they were all closer to him so he should get them. I only found out later when I ran into his best friend that several of the friends were mad that I stopped contacting them. And now thinking about it, that wasn't fair to them. They are people that get to make up their minds as well. Granted, they didn't really try to reach out to me because they were taking care of him, but they expected me to after some time text them. And that obviously didn't happen as I did have other friends. I now feel bad about this entire situation. So I would say, it's up to each and every mutual friend to decide what they want to do with their friendships. If Travis values Bay more than Emmett, then so be it. The same goes for all of the other kids from Carlton.

When I think about it, the idea that Bay could invite herself on spring break to Mexico, with her ex-boyfriend's mother, and then, become livid at the gall of her ex-boyfriend to join them, it's pretty funny. Emmett had every right to be on that trip. If he had been upset with Bay for being there, it would have been understandable. But for Bay to be upset with Emmett for joining his own mother on spring break is hilarious.

But then again, Bay's behavior that entire trip was over-the-top. I know Bay apologized to Emmett at the end. I wish she had apologized to Travis, too. It wasn't really fair how Bay used Travis to make Emmett jealous.

I don't think Bay needs to let go of any of their mutual friends. I agree with you that it is up to each and every mutual friend to decide what they want to do with their friendships. Natalie, Hilary, Mary Beth, Sharee, Matthew (if he is still a friend) should continue to be friends with both Bay and Emmett separately.

I only suggested that Bay should let go of Emmett's family members, as he should let go of hers. If Travis is truly Emmett's brother, as Melody and the writers keep proclaiming, then Travis's loyalty should be with Emmett.

It's not, though, so I don't think Travis thinks of Emmett as a true brother, either that, or Travis does not understand the concept of loyalty. I'm not sure which.

Daphne got it. She told Emmett point-blank that her loyalty will always be with her sister. Daphne even said to Emmett, "I don't care how long we've been friends."

I still remember when Bay and Emmett broke up the first time, Bay said, "He was your friend first." Back then, Bay and Daphne were not truly sisters, and Bay was being magnanimous. She wanted Daphne to maintain her friendship with Emmett.

But Bay "bought" Daphne's sisterhood, when she took the fall for her with that felony conviction. So they are true sisters now. Daphne's loyalty goes to Bay.

I guess Emmett inviting Travis into his home to live is not as big of a sacrifice as taking on a felony conviction, so Emmett hasn't quite "bought" Travis's brotherhood (and loyalty) yet.

I do feel like Emmett's mom, Melody, should choose Emmett over Bay. If Emmett didn't want Melody hanging around with Bay, because it made him feel uncomfortable, then she should respect that. Breakups can be painful. For all we know, Emmett feels betrayed by Bay. When they broke up on the beach, Emmett wasn't so sure that Bay hadn't cheated on him. He seemed to feel as though she had. Emmett might not like his family being all buddy-buddy with someone who betrayed his trust.

When it gets down to brass tacks, that's what it really is. Emmett means very little to Travis. The value of their friendship and brotherhood is negligible in Travis's eyes.

I don't think that Travis appreciated Emmett opening up his home to him. I think Travis saw it as the least that Emmett could do, considering how fortunate Emmett has been all of his life.

I remember when Emmett asked Travis to cover for him with Melody, so he could sneak out to meet Mandy, Emmett said, "Cover for me with my mom, and I will owe you big time."

Travis said, "You already owe me big time."

And Emmett responded, "Who moved into whose house?"

Travis nodded his head in agreement, but I don't think Emmett's generosity ever meant all that much to Travis.

Travis has always believed that Emmett is spoiled by his parents and that Emmett is ungrateful for all that he has been given in life. Travis resents Emmett for those reasons. Travis doesn't feel a connection to Emmett, like Daphne does to Bay.

I love that Sean Berdy addressed the possible Emmett Bay Travis triangle in this video, as early as Season 1:

Dish Of Salt: Is Sean Berdy Prepared To Dance At The ‘Switched At Birth’ Deaf Prom? | Access Hollywood

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What is everyone's favorite Bay & Travis moment?

I've been thinking that we've seen Travis falling in love with Bay, but we haven't seen Bay falling in love with Travis yet. She cares about him as a friend, but I am ready to see her fall in love with him.

It'd be nice to see Bay depend on Travis and let him into her innermost thoughts. She didn't do that with Emmett, in their second relationship. I thought that was a huge thing that was missing between them.

It would be refreshing to see Bay let Travis into her heart and soul, in all of the ways that she refused to with Emmett.

And if Bay & Travis are together in Season 5, then I really hope Bay has learned that her loyalty should be with Travis and not with an ex-boyfriend.

Bay should share her intimacy with Travis and not with other people outside of their relationship. If Bay gets into a fight with Travis, she should not run to tell an old boyfriend all about it. Also, Bay should think of Travis, before other people. A partner's needs should come first.

When Bay was in relationships with Alex, Noah, Ty, and Tank, I don't think she was really fair to them. Bay was always allowing herself to be pulled to Emmett.

And when Bay was in a relationship with Emmett, she wasn't fair to him, either, because she didn't trust him, and she leaned on Tank instead.

I want Bay & Travis to both be fair to each other. I feel like they both could be ready for that type of mature relationship. Travis made some mistakes with Mary Beth, but he does not have to repeat them with Bay. Travis seems to trust and love Bay more than he did Mary Beth anyway.

I don't think Travis's feelings have run deep for anyone, until Bay.

I've loved all the scenes of them just talking together. I felt they were so much more honest with each other than they were with other people. Even when someone was angry or sad, they still seemed honest with their feelings (except when Travis was trying not to love her for awhile).

I think that is what is happened as well

I have not enjoyed any of the Travis and Bay scenes, but you are right that Bay is honest with Travis, when she has never been completely honest with anyone else.

I don't think Bay has ever really cared what Travis thought, so she never had any reason to hide anything from him. It will be interesting to see if that changes when Bay falls in love with Travis.

Obviously, Bay will start caring about what Travis thinks when that happens, so will it make her to begin to hide things from him? Or will Bay stay in this mode of baring her soul to Travis?

I'm interested to find out.

On a side note, I believe the reason I have never enjoyed any of the Travis and Bay scenes is because Bay hasn't really cared about Travis in the past. If Bay begins to care about Travis, then maybe I will start to enjoy their scenes together.

So far, Bay has spent a lot of time using Travis to meet her own needs. So did Daphne. That kind of sucks for Travis, doesn't it?

Bay is a caregiver, so I think that will be one of the struggles she and Travis would have. They are both caregivers but Bay would demand that Travis lets her take care of him sometimes. That would be a big step for him I think. I also think she'll still be honest with him. She's even being more honest with herself lately.