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Old 04-23-2016, 11:13 AM
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Me, too, but I have grave fears that Lizzy Weiss will not allow them to be end game, after all.

If so, that's so sad.

I saw this article, since Prince's death the other day:

LACMA's 'Rain Room' Turns Purple in Honor of Prince - Hollywood Reporter

So many of the writers and cast have been tweeting pictures of themselves in the rain room at LACMA for weeks now.

It makes me sad to think that if Bay had not taken the fall for Daphne, she would have been working at LACMA.

Bay's job was only to bus tables in the cafeteria, but at the time she got it, she didn't have the stupid felony conviction hanging over her head. As creative and talented as Bay is, she would have met people while she was there, and she would have moved up in that world.

Bay and Emmett would have been happy together in LA. I have no doubt. Their world would have expanded, and they would have changed and grown together.

I could see Bay taking Emmett to the rain room.

Here's some information about it, if anyone is interested in going:
Random International’s Rain Room (2012) is an immersive environment of perpetually falling water that pauses wherever a human body is detected. The installation offers visitors an opportunity to experience what is seemingly impossible: the ability to control rain. Rain Room presents a respite from everyday life and an opportunity for sensory reflection within a responsive relationship.

Founded in 2005, Random International is a collaborative studio for experimental practice. They use science and technology to create experiences that aim to question and challenge the human experience within a machine-led world, engaging viewers through explorations of behavior and natural phenomena. In the decade following the studio's inception, the focus of Random International’s artistic practice has continuously evolved and today encompasses sculpture, performance, and installation on an architectural scale.

Rain Room will close as previously announced on Sunday, April 24, 2016. Following conservation efforts, it will reopen on Thursday, May 19, for a limited engagement. While that block of tickets is sold out, we will release blocks of tickets for additional future dates.

Rain Room is a specially ticketed, timed-entry experience. Advance tickets are required. Tickets are not refundable or transferable.

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Rain Room is organized by LACMA and is on display courtesy of RH, Restoration Hardware.
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Bay and Emmett would have been happy together in LA. I have no doubt. Their world would have expanded, and they would have changed and grown together.
So speaking of this, what did you make of the scene in 4x11 where the "two Bays" are talking about the break-up and how "it was going to happen no matter what"?
Personally I thought it was absolute bull, I mean unless that other Bay is psychic I don't think that was a fair assumption to make.
But then it confused me even more when Emmett says it in another episode. Again, what led them to this conclusion?
Part of me believes that this was the writers way of saying the Bay/Emmett relationship is over so get it through your head

Granted, even before the Tank thing happened they were having some problems but I didn't see it being bad enough to decide that there's no future for them.

What was your take? And please if anyone else wants to answer this go for it, it's not just exclusive to Amy
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So speaking of this, what did you make of the scene in 4x11 where the "two Bays" are talking about the break-up and how "it was going to happen no matter what"? Personally I thought it was absolute bull, I mean unless that other Bay is psychic I don't think that was a fair assumption to make. But then it confused me even more when Emmett says it in another episode. Again, what led them to this conclusion? Part of me believes that this was the writers way of saying the Bay/Emmett relationship is over so get it through your head Granted, even before the Tank thing happened they were having some problems but I didn't see it being bad enough to decide that there's no future for them. What was your take? And please if anyone else wants to answer this go for it, it's not just exclusive to Amy

I mean sure they would of had issues but I feel the writers wrote too extreme
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So speaking of this, what did you make of the scene in 4x11 where the "two Bays" are talking about the break-up and how "it was going to happen no matter what"?

Personally I thought it was absolute bull, I mean unless that other Bay is psychic I don't think that was a fair assumption to make.
I don't look at it as if the other Bay was psychic. To me, that scene was Bay talking to herself, and Bay is not psychic.

I look at it in this way:

Bay was spiraling out of control without Emmett. She had to find some way to put the loss behind her and move on with her life, or she was going to drown.

So for me, that scene was Bay telling herself that the breakup would have happened no matter what. Bay needed to believe that within herself, in order to forgive herself.

Bay needed to believe that, in order to let go.

I think people tell themselves lies like that all of the time in real life. It's actually a great strategy for moving through life.

If Bay had not taken the fall for Daphne, then it's possible Bay and Emmett would have broken up, once they both got to LA together. Anything is possible. But I seriously doubt that they would have broken up.

Bay and Emmett were both committed to each other, and they had both been through a lot to get back together, after Emmett's infidelity. I believe that Bay and Emmett could have continued working through their trust issues and built a strong relationship in LA.

But Bay believing that probably wouldn't have done her any good, especially at the point when she was leaving Melody's house, in To Repel Ghosts. Bay had already lost Emmett, and it probably was better for her to believe that she was destined to lose him, than to think that her decisions are what cost her the relationship.

How could Bay move forward, if she allowed herself to accept that she had a wonderful relationship with a man that she connects with on a deep level, and she destroyed their connection by making him an afterthought and treating him cavalierly?

It's easier for Bay to move forward, if she tells herself that it was always destined to happen, that they were growing apart any way.

To me, the key to that scene is that, when our Bay tells the "other" Bay that she HAD to take the fall for Daphne, that she doesn't regret it, the "other" Bay tells our Bay, "But you have to see that for him, that was the beginning of the end."

I do think both "Bays" are correct, and so was Melody, in that their breakup wasn't about Tank or Skye. Bay and Emmett broke up for the second time, for pretty much the same reason as they broke up the first time.

During their first relationship, Emmett did not trust Bay enough to share his insecurities with her or allow her to be a true partner. And during their second relationship, Bay did not trust Emmett enough to share her insecurities with him or allow him to be a true partner.

But it's a lot easier to move on, if Bay tells herself that they were growing apart, and it would have happened anyway.

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But then it confused me even more when Emmett says it in another episode. Again, what led them to this conclusion?

Part of me believes that this was the writers way of saying the Bay/Emmett relationship is over so get it through your head

Granted, even before the Tank thing happened they were having some problems but I didn't see it being bad enough to decide that there's no future for them.

What was your take? And please if anyone else wants to answer this go for it, it's not just exclusive to Amy
I think the same thing for Emmett, too. It's easier for Emmett to move on, if he believes that they were growing apart and their breakup would have happened anyway.

It doesn't do Emmett any good to sit in LA and lament how Bay never allowed him into her innermost thoughts during their second relationship. It doesn't do Emmett any good to dwell on the fact that Bay did not trust him enough to share whatever was going on with her, during their senior year. (I still do not know if Emmett is aware of Bay's potential to develop aneurysms. I'm leaning towards the idea that he doesn't know. But the writers have so many crucial moments happen off-camera in this story that it's a toss up.)

It's easier for Emmett to tell himself (and Travis, Daphne, and anyone else who might care) that he and Bay were growing apart. It's easier to believe that their breakup was inevitable, than to face the fact that their choices caused it.

I've known enough high school sweethearts who have had long lives together to know that Bay and Emmett's breakup was not inevitable. They could have made it work. I just think it's easier for them to both believe that they couldn't.

My sister is nearly 20 years older than me. She's in her sixties now. She married her husband at the age of 19. She first fell in love with him at the age of 14. They dated off and on throughout high school, because he cheated on her. Then, he went off to Vietnam, while they were broken up. The Virginian-Pilot (a local newspaper) falsely reported that he had been killed in action, when he had only been wounded. They reunited as soon as he returned home. They married a few months later and had a son the next year. And for the last 45 years, they have been the HAPPIEST couple I have ever known.

Bay and Emmett didn't have to break up. Just because it's easier now, at the moment, to tell themselves that their breakup was inevitable, that doesn't mean it will continue to be easier to tell themselves that. After a few more failed relationships with other people, where they don't even have a connection one tenth as deep as the one that they shared with each other, then they will learn about difficulty.

Then, they will realize that it is a lot easier to work on a relationship with someone with whom you share a connection, than it is to keep trying to make something work with someone with whom you don't.

Connections like the one Bay and Emmett share are rare. Each of them may find another person with whom they will share that kind of connection, but they may not, too. That kind of connection is not a dime a dozen. It's special.
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Old 05-01-2016, 09:13 PM
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I don't look at it as if the other Bay was psychic. To me, that scene was Bay talking to herself, and Bay is not psychic. I look at it in this way: Bay was spiraling out of control without Emmett. She had to find some way to put the loss behind her and move on with her life, or she was going to drown. So for me, that scene was Bay telling herself that the breakup would have happened no matter what. Bay needed to believe that within herself, in order to forgive herself. Bay needed to believe that, in order to let go. I think people tell themselves lies like that all of the time in real life. It's actually a great strategy for moving through life. If Bay had not taken the fall for Daphne, then it's possible Bay and Emmett would have broken up, once they both got to LA together. Anything is possible. But I seriously doubt that they would have broken up. Bay and Emmett were both committed to each other, and they had both been through a lot to get back together, after Emmett's infidelity. I believe that Bay and Emmett could have continued working through their trust issues and built a strong relationship in LA. But Bay believing that probably wouldn't have done her any good, especially at the point when she was leaving Melody's house, in To Repel Ghosts. Bay had already lost Emmett, and it probably was better for her to believe that she was destined to lose him, than to think that her decisions are what cost her the relationship. How could Bay move forward, if she allowed herself to accept that she had a wonderful relationship with a man that she connects with on a deep level, and she destroyed their connection by making him an afterthought and treating him cavalierly? It's easier for Bay to move forward, if she tells herself that it was always destined to happen, that they were growing apart any way. To me, the key to that scene is that, when our Bay tells the "other" Bay that she HAD to take the fall for Daphne, that she doesn't regret it, the "other" Bay tells our Bay, "But you have to see that for him, that was the beginning of the end." I do think both "Bays" are correct, and so was Melody, in that their breakup wasn't about Tank or Skye. Bay and Emmett broke up for the second time, for pretty much the same reason as they broke up the first time. During their first relationship, Emmett did not trust Bay enough to share his insecurities with her or allow her to be a true partner. And during their second relationship, Bay did not trust Emmett enough to share her insecurities with him or allow him to be a true partner. But it's a lot easier to move on, if Bay tells herself that they were growing apart, and it would have happened anyway. I think the same thing for Emmett, too. It's easier for Emmett to move on, if he believes that they were growing apart and their breakup would have happened anyway. It doesn't do Emmett any good to sit in LA and lament how Bay never allowed him into her innermost thoughts during their second relationship. It doesn't do Emmett any good to dwell on the fact that Bay did not trust him enough to share whatever was going on with her, during their senior year. (I still do not know if Emmett is aware of Bay's potential to develop aneurysms. I'm leaning towards the idea that he doesn't know. But the writers have so many crucial moments happen off-camera in this story that it's a toss up.) It's easier for Emmett to tell himself (and Travis, Daphne, and anyone else who might care) that he and Bay were growing apart. It's easier to believe that their breakup was inevitable, than to face the fact that their choices caused it. I've known enough high school sweethearts who have had long lives together to know that Bay and Emmett's breakup was not inevitable. They could have made it work. I just think it's easier for them to both believe that they couldn't. My sister is nearly 20 years older than me. She's in her sixties now. She married her husband at the age of 19. She first fell in love with him at the age of 14. They dated off and on throughout high school, because he cheated on her. Then, he went off to Vietnam, while they were broken up. The Virginian-Pilot (a local newspaper) falsely reported that he had been killed in action, when he had only been wounded. They reunited as soon as he returned home. They married a few months later and had a son the next year. And for the last 45 years, they have been the HAPPIEST couple I have ever known. Bay and Emmett didn't have to break up. Just because it's easier now, at the moment, to tell themselves that their breakup was inevitable, that doesn't mean it will continue to be easier to tell themselves that. After a few more failed relationships with other people, where they don't even have a connection one tenth as deep as the one that they shared with each other, then they will learn about difficulty. Then, they will realize that it is a lot easier to work on a relationship with someone with whom you share a connection, than it is to keep trying to make something work with someone with whom you don't. Connections like the one Bay and Emmett share are rare. Each of them may find another person with whom they will share that kind of connection, but they may not, too. That kind of connection is not a dime a dozen. It's special.


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Do you ever wonder why Lizzy Weiss threw so much at Bay and Emmett?
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Do you ever wonder why Lizzy Weiss threw so much at Bay and Emmett?

I have no idea I thought because she was obsessed over the drama
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This moment is perfection, and it makes me take a walk down memory lane.

At the time, I remember not believing how coolly Emmett was able to walk away from Bay and return to class. He wanted her back in his life so much, and she was finally leaning on him again. I remember Emmett listened to Bay rant about Angelo and Buckner and everything that was currently disappointing her in life. Then, he said that he had to go back to class before his mom thought that he had dysentery or something. They shared a smile, a chuckle, and then, he walked away.

I remember thinking he didn't want to walk away. I remember thinking Emmett only wanted to pull Bay back into his arms again and never let go. But he pulled away from her and walked back to class. It seemed like it took great strength. In the next episode, I know Emmett was hurt when Bay chose to spend time with Noah instead of him.

Emmett didn't want to give up on Bay. Emmett even kissed Bay and asked her if she was really ready to move on, after she told him that she was dating Noah.

But Bay did not return to Emmett, and he had to accept that. He told her that he wasn't going to wait around any more. Bay moved on with Ty again, but I felt like Emmett was still waiting.

Then, after Ty broke up with Bay, and Bay shared that she was no longer a virgin, Emmett still seemed to be waiting for her.

But Bay ignored him at Carlton at the beginning of their senior year. She was deep in the throes of mourning her breakup with Ty, and Emmett did move on to an online relationship with Mandy (aka Matthew).

From everything the writers shared with us, Emmett really tried to convince himself that he had let go of Bay. Mandy (aka Jennifer) thought they had a deep connection, but their texts seemed superficial to me, but maybe what Emmett had shared with Bay had been superficial, too.

Maybe Emmett has no depth. I don't know any more.

Anyway, Mandy was fake, and Bay was there to pick up the pieces when Emmett fell. I thought something really great was going to happen between Bay and Emmett, at that point. They did share that moment in "Oh, Future!" where Emmett told Bay that "Seeing you and being with you is the best part of every day."

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Do you remember which episode it was from? I love the way they're looking at each other
Season 2 Episode 1 "The Door to Freedom" I believe.

Gosh, I love that moment, too. At the time, it wasn't enough. I wanted more. I was so frustrated by the writers' decision to draw out Bay & Emmett's reunion. If I had only known that once they reunited, Bay would focus her attention more on other things than on Emmett, and then, Emmett would out-and-out abandon her, then I would have appreciated these moments while I had them.

I hate, really hate, how the writers so scorched these two. The writers could have broken them up without that. It wasn't necessary. Even Shonda Rhimes didn't do that to her show's OTP. I would rather the writers kill off the character of Emmett than to do what they did to him. Do others feel that way?
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