Thanks for sharing that

That was good. In all this time, it has never dawned on me that Regina has not said the words "I love you" to Bay.

How sad. I don't know how Bay can be okay without that. I'm not sure how Bay can be okay knowing what she does about Regina. I would think that knowledge would break a person. I used to believe that Emmett was going to heal that pain, but obviously, that's not what happened. Instead, Emmett just caused more pain for Bay. I am not sure how Bay moves forward after learning about the switch. Nothing good has entered her life from it. I am sure the writers want us to believe Bay's relationship with Daphne is the bright spot in all of the darkness. But after the way Daphne used Bay to take the fall for her crimes, I could never see it that way.

Discovering that Regina knew about the switch all along truly was Daphne opening up Pandora's Box for both girls. Nothing but misery has followed. There has always been hope for more than that, but nothing positive has yet panned out.

Agree Amy good points?

Who thinks we will get a good Bay and Regina scene by the last episode?

I'd like to see one where Regina takes Bay in her arms and really hugs her. I want to hear Regina say "I love you" to Bay.

It'd be a sweet scene but Regina did tell Bay, she had to pretend Bay didnt exist so it wouldn't hurt so much. Regina has had to emotionally protect herself from not being able to have Bay, it was like Angelo. She loved Angelo desperately and she always felt she could never truly have him or be good enough for him. I do understand how it feels to want someone desperately and not be able to have them and in order to survive that pain, you have to numb yourself down so you can survive. When Bay did reenter Regina's life, it was hard to undo that. Regina made a pretty selfless decision for Bay when she married Angelo. Angelo made a good point, if the switch hadnt happened, they would of been together already, they'd have Bay and be that family. I always viewed Angelo and Bay as two aspects of Regina's life that she couldn't fully have until later, then when she finally could, damage had been done. I do believe Regina loves Bay, much more than she'd ever admit but she had to shut down to protect herself.

I remember and agree with all of those details. They are poignant, and my heart hurts for Regina. But this part that I have quoted, I see differently.

I feel as though Regina would readily admit she loves Bay to anyone who asks, but she won't show it. Regina talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk. We may not ever see a seen where Regina rushes towards Bay and embraces her, declaring her love for her, probably because, like you suggest, Regina has shut down those feelings.

Also, I am not so sure that Regina marrying Angelo was entirely selfless. it was spurred by Regina's desire for Bay to know her father, but according to Adrianna, Angelo was an addiction for Regina. Perhaps Regina made that choice for herself, too. (I'm not so sure, though. I feel as though the writers stopped writing with depth around the time all of that happened, and so, we, as viewers, never got to see what they originally intended for Regina & Angelo's relationship.)

Thanks for the discussion, Sadie! I miss you. You always share ideas that make me think. :hug:

Yeah I would like to see that.. very much so

Please let us have a scene with the these two bonding..

It always saddens me to think about all the missed potential with the Regina/Bay storyline. It feels like the writers just went off on a whole bunch of irrelevant tangents and missed the big things, like Regina and Bay bonding over art (they did a little, but not enough), Bay learning about Puerto Rican culture, maybe even traveling to Puerto Rico...

I guess there is a possibility that the writers were intentional with that, and that they are trying to convey the message that things don't always work out so rosily. Sometimes biological mothers don't really care about their biological children and don't want to bond with them. Sometimes finding your bio family doesn't lead to any epiphanies or help heal any wounds. A few years ago, I watched a documentary about a girl who had been adopted and, as a teenager, was going through a sort of identity crisis and decided to find her bio mom. She did, and the meeting was disappointing. Her bio mother was not very interested and had a large new family to worry about. The daughter didn't get to learn much about her, and it didn't help her understand herself any better. I guess that happens enough in life.

If that's what the writers are going for, I want to see it acknowledged. I need Bay to confront Regina once more about this, or even just to say to another character, "It still hurts that Regina hasn't made any effort to be closer to me." Something so that we know she sees it, and it hurts. Right now, the writers are making it seem like everything is fine and rosy, and that just doesn't feel genuine. :rolleyes:

I wanted that so much but its too late now

It really is too late now.

We'll never get that. We will never see Bay and Regina bond. At most, they will have a moment together. That will be it. Regina shared more with Eric's son than she ever shared with Bay.

I believe that's exactly what the writers were going for. (Either that, or the writers truly are the worst in history, and I actually believe these writers are good.)

Like you, I need Bay to confront Regina once more about their relationship, too. An upcoming episode is titled The Wolf Is Waiting, and I hope it is, at least in part, about Bay & Regina's relationship.

It will probably be about Travis and his mom, though. Or maybe it will be about Bay & Travis. Or even more likely, it will be about Daphne.

It should be about Bay & Regina, though. People talk about the proverbial elephant in the room, well, I feel Bay & Regina's relationship has a wolf waiting in the room for them.

You are correct that the writers are making Bay & Regina's relationship seem fine and rosy right now, and you are also correct that it does not feel genuine. It feels so fake, just like Bay's relationship with Daphne. Sometimes I cannot believe the garbage that the writers are trying to sell us, as we approach the end of the series. Does anyone else feel that way?

On February 28th of this year, Lizzy Weiss tweeted to a fan that she knew about this real-life switched at birth story before she wrote the pilot:

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/rad...360/transcript

Other fans have asked her about similar real-life switched at birth stories over the years, and it is obvious that Lizzy Weiss did her homework before she ever wrote the pilot episode. She knew about nearly all of the well-publicized cases that fans have asked her about over the years.

From the ones I have read, the mothers and the children often do not bond. The two switched children rarely bond either, though. I do not understand why Lizzy Weiss has Bay & Daphne bonding so closely now. Their relationship does not feel sincere to me. Even if Bay had not taken the fall for Daphne, I do not believe that the two girls would be bonded as sisters, like they are on the show.

Bay is closer to Daphne than she is to Toby now. That does not ring true to me. I could see Toby feeling closer to Daphne, akin to what is described in the real-life case, linked up above. In that situation, the brother did feel closer to his biological sister than the one he grew up with. But the writers would need to do a lot of work to develop Toby & Daphne's siblinghood, if they wanted to convince viewers of that.

I still do not understand Bay feeling closer to Daphne than to Toby.

I do not understand many of the relationships on this show, with the exception of Kathryn's relationships with her family. And perhaps John's, too.

Other than that, the writers haven't included a lot of depth. Daphne & Regina had depth to their relationship, but it doesn't feel sincere without the two of them ever talking about the way that Daphne spun out of control.

If you skim over that story from "This American Life" linked above, let me know what you think. I see a lot of similarities to that story and to Switched at Birth.

I really wanted to see this relationship developed, but I agree that it's too late now.

Which is so sad because it had so much potential

When I look back at Season 1, the potential for all of the characters and relationships was threw the roof, astronomical.

I cannot figure out what happened. Or why the writers made the choices that they have made.

Yeah I feel the same way its just so disappointing