Nikki K

Debauchery and lechery? Yes, sure. Some would call that education.

red velvet

And others simply sinful

Nikki K

I doubt Della Rovere travelled to Squillace though.

red velvet

Well there's no way they would listen to him so what would be the point?

Nikki K

Exactly, he has more important things to do, like... romancing the King of France.

red velvet

Romancing anyone who might be willing to get rid of Rodrigo and make him pope instead. It may have taken a while but he ends up there anyway

Nikki K

Perhaps he should have just romanced Rodrigo...

red velvet

It wold have been easier to get close to him and destroy him that way

Nikki K

Perhaps Rodrigo would have let him wear the tiara in bed...
But yes, srsly, I agree.

red velvet

They do say keep your friends close and your enemies closer, della Rovere should have taken that cue

Nikki K

I definitely agree.
Personally I think for someone who wants to be pope (and later gets to be pope) to be so full of hatred towards another person is quite undignified.

red velvet

It is, and to me that says that you weren't really deserving of the position in the first place

Nikki K

Well, that's how we got to Luther and the Reformation -- all these popes who thought of themselves more as kings than clergy. Simply put.

red velvet

Well but in some sense they were both, so admittedly that would be kind of a hard split

Nikki K

Even though they probably would be outraged at the notion but I think Rodrigo and Della Rovere were extremely similar, both had visions of grandeur. For some reason I want to write a scene where they play Yahtzee.