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No he doesn't. He fights by his site for a long time until Cesare's imprisonment. Cesare tries to reconcile Joffre and Sancia before he got deported to Spain and Joffre goes with him to Spain, asking for time to think about it, as far as I read. In the meantime Sancia dies and Joffre stays in Spain for a long time until he marries his cousin Maria de Mila and they move back to Squillace. They have a bunch of children actually and its the branch of the Italian Borgias which I think lasted the longest. Joffre dies a few months before Vanozza and Lucrezia. I think there's a letter in which Lucrezia states how distraught she was by Joffre's death. That was in 1518.

But you can read all of that in the super informative OP which I whipped up.

Oh, man. Sancia died? :( and Joffre married his cousin? :eek: Well then it's not hard to believe those rumors about Cesare and Lucrezia. :lol:

If he died before Lucrezia then it wasn't that long after Cesare died, since Cesare died only 12 years before Lucrezia did. :( Wow, they all died so close together.

Thanks again for the info, Nina. :nod:

Well, I mean it was a very very distant cousin. I can look up the relationship if you give me a second.

Well Sancia died in between 1504 and 1506 (not entirely sure about the DOD), Cesare died in 1507, Joffre and Vanozza died in 1518 and Lucrezia died in 1519. Okay, let me look up Maria de Mila. (I hope we get to see her, well on Borgia I bet we get a shot at that.).

Okay, here it goes on Maria de Mila -- we do remember Adriana de Mila (played by Andrea Sawatzki on 'Borgia') so that was this part of the family.

So Rodrigo's mother was Isabella and she had a sister named Catalina who married one Juan de Milá, Baron de Masavalés. They had two children: Luis Juan (who became Cardinal along with Rodrigo when their uncle Alonso became Pope Calixtus III) and Pedro who married Cubella Dolce. The two of them had five children:

(1) Juan de Milà, Baron von Masalaves ∞ Isabella-Lucrezia de Borgia Llançol de Romanì
(2) Adriana de Milà ∞ Ludovico Orsini, their only son Orsino married Giulia Farnese
(3) Luis de Milà (probably a cleric or died early)
(4) Caterina de Milà ∞ Gasparo, Count of Procida and Aversa
(5) Jaime de Milà, Comte d'Albaida ∞ Leonor de Aragón, their only daughter was Maria who married Joffre ... so through all the twisted inbreding she was a distant cousin of both Joffre and Sancia.

And here goes my evening lesson.

So you see it wasn't that close of a family relationship. His grandmother was her great-grandmother's sister.

Thank you once again, professor Nina. :nod: I guess it's true when they say many couples are distantly related. :lol: Still a shame about Sancia. :(

It's a mess. No wonder there was so much insanity going around.
And haha... hardly professor of anything ever. Plus I'm better at explaining things I actually teach... well taught.

I can't see them. :pout:

Yeah, I think there's something wrong with the pics you posted, Nina. :shrug:

Okay, it's scary how much she looks like Nina Dobrev! :look:

Hey, nothing wrong with being pale and blonde, Nina. :)

OMG, Emmanuelle looks ridiculously gorgeous in those pics! :thud: Thanks, Nina! :)

You're right, Arinna. She does look a lot like Nina Dobrev. :lol:

She's stunning! :sigh:

Indeed. And I saved some of my favourites for last:

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I must say that Emmanuelle really raise in my opinion since I saw that she attended the 'Temple Grandin' premiere. She visited our department twice in the past five years but I always had to teach some bloody class and could never hear her speak. :(

On the bright side, I found new pictures of Aidan - he looks like a proper 15 year old now. In fact he turns 16 in a week. So in my opinion no need for a re-casting. But then I doubt we see either Sancia or Joffre again. I haven't heard anything about Emmanuelle being back on set and there is really no reason at all why she should be re-cast - in fact I'd be really upset.

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We didn't hear any news for Emmanuelle and Aiden returning though. :shrug:

If someone could be re-cast from these two, that's most likely Aiden. I can't see a reason why they should re-cast her. :shrug:

You keep saying that but now that we have actual photographical proof that he looks well grown-up now for the sixteen year old that he is supposed to play, I don't see the point. With Emmanuelle I don't see the point either - I mean they have made a mistake to begin with casting someone so old but that aside, it's not like she had heaps of projects going on to my knowledge, so it would be unforgiveable.

If it's up to me, I wouldn't re-cast anyone.

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For the record Adam Mišík who plays Joffre on 'Borgia' and will be in season 2 (as pictures on the picture thread confirmed), is one year younger than Aidan. Apparently he is also hailed the Czech equivalent to Justin Bieber – if that is a recommendation or not is obviously debatable.

http://img.blesk.cz/img/1/full/13937...tin-bieber.jpg
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:goof: He does look like Justin.

It's the hair. :lol:

:P Justin at his teenage years.