He didn't know how to play the game... it's like Sansa said, to deal with these things he needed to think about the long run and act smarter, he was far too honorable for the political side of things

Ah yes. And while I agree partly with what Sansa said, it just rubbed me the wrong way, her talking about her father that way.

this season finale was about Ned Stark in many ways....it was amazing guys.

He's a man who still catalyze other's people actions.

Amazing.

I love that even after so many years he still has such a huge impact in everything.
He was my favorite character :bawl:

Yeah, it rubbed me the wrong way too. It shows that even though she understand the game better, she is not as honorable and is far more corruptible. Which is the exact opposite of Jon who still follows Ned's example by not lying or failing with his word (as shown in the finale).

Yes! That's exactly it. It's like she listened to his lessons but decided that she knew better and would go her own way not caring about them.

Yep :nod: That's how I feel... She has grown up a lot, and she has learned the game quite well, but with that she lost a huge part of the Stark essence (that the others still have). And I think that was also shown with the fact that she passed the sentence but didn't swing the sword, which also was a huge Stark thing since the beginning.

Yes. I think that was also greatly forshadowed when Jon said it sounded like Sansa admired Cersei, and I think in some ways she definitely does. She picked up a lot from the people she came in contact with (which most children and teens do) and I can't say it's truly for the better.

The passing of the sentence really hit me, because Arya made it such an obvious point in their last scene saying "You passed the sentence." and all I could think of was the Starks being brought up with this level of leadership and servitude in a way that Sansa just completely lost.

Oh she definitely does admire Cersei :nod: and I agree, it makes sense she would admire the one strong feminine presence she had contact with when she was younger, but like you said, it's not for the better, since Cersei is very conniving.. specially with dealing with power and her being in charge.

Yeah, Arya bluntly saying that line made it even more obvious that the Stark motto for that had been lost :(

Well, Ned killed her direwolf after all. ;) She's also the only Stark child who doesn't have any inclination to 'magic'. In the books they all have visions, prophetic dreams, feel a close affinity to magical creatures....Sansa doesn't.

Ned killed it almost immediately. And when he died, Sansa started to be in a very different position than the rest of the kids.

Also I think anyway Arya can't simply slaughter random people unless she offered them to the Red God. I think she could with the Frey's straight away because he/they were already on her list before becoming a Faceless assassin.
So it makes sense if she said You passed the sentence, I took it like it was a offer to R'hollor for her after Sansa said it.
Last but not least I presume they will not miss the opportunity to use the face of one of the most dangerous man in Westeros for their family goals :lol: (a girl can dream)

Ned would have been so proud of them.

thanks for that, i will stop by!

Thanks for the link, Jade :)

i will vote for LOTR!

I finished the chapter in aGOT where Ned is killed. :( It's told from Arya's POV.

Awww so sad :bawl: But I think there wasn't a better POV for that chapter than Arya, it's what set her on the vengeance path