The 100 - The Other Side {4x11} Episode Discussion - Airdate [05-10-17] #2 - Page 2

April7739 · 08-09-2017, 04:28 PM

I guess it all comes down to how you interpret the storyline with Jasper. Because I feel like I did see it in seasons three and four. (In season two, I don't think it had fully set in yet. He still had Maya, and he had the responsibility of being the leader of the delinquents.) Idk, given everything he'd been through, it made total sense to me that he would be dealing with a lot of emotional issues in season three and beyond.

I think Clarke should have opened the door once she found out Octavia won, but the fact that she didn't was meant to show us just how far she had fallen, that she'd reached her lowest low yet. Now, had Bellamy or Abby still been out there . . . yeah, that probably would have been a different story. But I do believe she was willing to sacrifice Octavia and Kane, even if that meant Bellamy and her mother would hold it against her forever. I mean, she was willing to let that bomb drop on both of them in Ton DC.

I don't think it was OOC, necessarily, but I think it was an extreme for Clarke's character. Her lowest low, like I said. She hit rock bottom there. I think it was kind of like a Hail Mary decision, and even though she knew she was wrong, she just couldn't admit it until she was literally faced with the prospect of having to shoot Bellamy to get her way.

Taryn74 · 08-09-2017, 05:54 PM

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I guess it all comes down to how you interpret the storyline with Jasper. Because I feel like I did see it in seasons three and four. (In season two, I don't think it had fully set in yet. He still had Maya, and he had the responsibility of being the leader of the delinquents.) Idk, given everything he'd been through, it made total sense to me that he would be dealing with a lot of emotional issues in season three and beyond.

I think Jasper also felt like a failure, because he couldn't save the delinquents at Mt. Weather. It was, after all, Jasper (with help from several others) who attempted to overthrow their oppressors, he just couldn't quite get the job done. (I know he felt like Clarke robbed him of the opportunity to finish what they had started, but IIRC he didn't really have a plan once he got to the room with the ones being drained of their bone marrow. He was just going to - what? Attack the President's son? That was it?) So he was not only dealing with the anger/sadness of losing Maya, he was dealing with knowing that he tried to stop it and couldn't. That's a pretty freaking heavy load to bear.

April7739 · 08-09-2017, 07:23 PM

I agree.

**Alexa** · 08-10-2017, 03:13 AM

dp...

**Alexa** · 08-10-2017, 03:13 AM

I'd be curious to time his screen time though... i might just do that. because i just dont feel we got enough.

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Because I feel like I did see it in seasons three and four. (In season two, I don't think it had fully set in yet. He still had Maya, and he had the responsibility of being the leader of the delinquents.)

Thats what I'm saying though. they should have started the depression SL in season 2. To show that this life was hard for him, especially after his spearing. And then Maya could have brought him some happiness and then once she died, that could have been the catalyst for everything to go downhill.

I also dont buy the other factors adding to his depression because none of that was explained or mentioned. he made comments about maya but not the other stuff? (unless I'm blanking on it) but how can we believe thats what he was thinking about if he didnt say it.

But thats not what happened. He was happy go lucky and outgoing and fun for most of season 1 and then had maya in season 2 and was still the same jasper. then BOOM. she dies (again someone he knew for such a short period) and hes just completely depressed? idk, i understand it was upsetting but then they should have had him spiral a bit slower, or give him more focus or something. IDK. I just have issues with how they went about it.

Damocles · 08-10-2017, 06:23 AM

Yeah I will always feel like it all happened a bit too "quickly", and it doesn't help that he didn't get as much screentime as other characters so we were just presented with certain Jasper moments at certain times, and had to piece them together.

April7739 · 08-10-2017, 10:41 AM

Maya was like a first love to him, though, and she died in his arms. I think that's pretty traumatic.

I don't think Jasper had any reason to be depressed yet in season two, though. I mean, he'd endured plenty of trauma, and I think he even said something about how he was technically the one that set off that explosion at the dropship, but overall, he was happy at first in Mount Weather. And he started up his relationship with Maya. He was relieved to be there. When everything started going horribly wrong, he had he adrenaline and the responsibility of trying to protect everyone to keep him going. I don't think it would have made much sense for him to be coping with huge emotional issues at that point. Survival was the priority. Then, once they survived and the people like Maya and her father who had helped him didn't, that's when the depression and PTSD had time and opportunity to sink in.

I'm not trying to sound argumentative or anything, but I just feel very strongly about Jasper, as you guys know, and it's actually one of the storylines that resonated the most with me. I loved the pacing of it.

Different strokes for different folks, though. That's okay.

**Alexa** · 08-12-2017, 12:26 AM

I know he was happy!! lol. Thats what I'm saying though, they should have slowly brought on this depression storyline. Depression doesnt just hit you like that suddenly. Its longterm and always there in some form before it spirals. He was just written TOO happy for them to bring it on so quick imo. PTSD might, but that different from depression? They cause you to act differently too. But they didnt really clarify which one he was supposed to be feeling, or if he was supposed to be feeling both. They didnt clarify at all and thats what my issue is....

your entitled to your wrong opinion April.

I'm totally kidding. I know you love Jasper and thats great you liked the pacing but I just didnt...

April7739 · 08-12-2017, 11:06 AM

I always took it to be depression brought on by PTSD. But you're right, it was never really clarified.

I guess we don't really know when it started to set in, either. We have that three month gap between seasons two and three. That's what allows me to roll with the pacing, though, that three month gap.

Damocles · 08-12-2017, 11:48 AM

I think it was supposed to be depression brought-forth by PTSD, which I understand. I think that three-month gap was definitely harmful, in this case.

**Alexa** · 08-12-2017, 11:14 PM

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I guess we don't really know when it started to set in, either. We have that three month gap between seasons two and three. That's what allows me to roll with the pacing, though, that three month gap.

that is true, i forgot about that. still sucks his turn was totally offscreen though.