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MysticRiver

11-06-2014 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sehj_Delena (Post 78794717)

I think Murphy senses Bellamy had changed :lol:...he is soon going to know it is coz of Clarke and knowing Murphy he will not stop himself from saying it aloud :lol:. And yes! this is not me just imagining it :lol:

Yess! :lol: Murphy knows how to push his buttons. I would LOVE a scene like that.. something like "You, and your little girlfriend"

Ciiisu

11-06-2014 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sehj_Delena (Post 78794717)

Yes, hed def make a sarcastic/snide comment about it :lol: He already kind of did when he was about to hang Bellamy. "Well, I think the princess is dead .."

Fuzzy Dunlop

11-06-2014 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvinJames23 (Post 78793642)

I don't have the energy to get into the passionate Bellarke shippers discussion. I feel like it's a moot point cuz it'll just go in circles like always. Every fandom has obnoxious shippers but I think that only includes the people who constantly berate the writers and actors and complain about their ship. Those I don't agree with but the others who constantly post or reblog gifs/parallels/etc are simply passionate and there's nothing wrong in it at all. And this past episode wasn't just fans looking thru ship colored classes. Layne Morgan (a writer for IGN who isn't into shipping) was the first one to point out the influence of Clarke that we'll see in Bellamy. It's not delusional. I'm just so tired of the criticism.

With that said, I'm voting #13

I don't think it's delusional to observe that Bellamy and Clarke's attitude's have changed under each others' influence, but minute comparison of how Bellamy and Finn reacted to Clarke's watch is, in my opinion, over the top. And there is soooooooo much of that kind of thing going around. Other than that, it's just a bunch of people nodding at each other saying "Yes, our ship is perfect destiny. If we keep telling ourselves this over and over again, that will make it so." I feel like there's a Bellarke agenda in the way a lot of people respond to the show instead of appreciating it for what it is. Or like people have these hopes and dreams for what will happen for Bellarke that have like nothing at all to do with the genre or tone of the show. I don't know how to explain it accurately. Obviously people can be fans however they want, but it makes me so uncomfortable. I would stop reading this thread entirely except for the fact that like >50% of the general discussion of the show happens here and I want to play the scene survivor game. Sucks to have a great ship ruined for me. Hopefully I won't get turned off of the whole show. :(

Sehj_Delena

11-06-2014 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticRiver (Post 78795215)

Yess! :lol: Murphy knows how to push his buttons. I would LOVE a scene like that.. something like "You, and your little girlfriend"

Last season Murphy was the one causing drama...this season he's going to be the spectator :lol: and I can totally see him saying " Oh, so here's why the change? The princess!" "But are you sure you want to go up against that?".. by that I mean psycho Finn ofc :lol:.

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Yes, hed def make a sarcastic/snide comment about it He already kind of did when he was about to hang Bellamy. "Well, I think the princess is dead .."

I am actually enjoying Murphy on this trip than the trip it'self. His one liners are gold. He says it how he sees it ;)

Leelala

11-06-2014 04:24 PM

Catching up so apologies if these have been discussed to death! Different timezones make it hard! :)

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Originally Posted by Mar_1 (Post 78788979)

I didn´t see the ep yet and i do respect whatever people feel about their ship or how the analysis it, but one thing that it kind of puts me of is how people need to define or give so much credit to whom Bellamy is to Clarke influence.

I know they respect and admire each other, it a mutual thing, but i hardly see people looking to clarke and saying that bellamy has such impact on her, and also, it seem to me that when people credit so much to clarke they forget that Bellamy was a good guy who done very questionable things driven by fear and power, but that he also made good decision that clarke herself didnt follow and had bad result in the end. That he always had flaws and qualities independent of clarke as clarke has independent of bellamy.

What i mean, probably in not a very articulate way is that both are equals and their attitude is not always a parallel, or the influence of each other, sometimes is just whom they are, doing what they would do even if the other one wasn´t there.

But then everyone sees what they want, i just feel is downgrading each of them to look only by the ship side.
(also, i love this ship, is my only ship right now, i super want them to have lots of kisses and sex secenes! ehehheh)

For me and I'm far from an over the top hardcore shipper, I actually totally loved Wells before he died.. But one thing thats been said from the writers as well, is the huge effect Bellarke has had on each other. Of coarse they are their own people, thats why i love them as individuals but they've rubbed off on each other and their experiences have taught different lessons on how to be good leaders... They've both made mistakes, they've both been wrong and usually its bc the other was right. They are co-leading so for me its more about them together as leaders and friends b/c thats what they have become so far. :)

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Originally Posted by Sehj_Delena (Post 78793738)

One of the writers of the show I think her name is Kim Shumway retweeted this by one fan and it's actually so true.

Diana @geekmythos ·

It's cool to see how these relationships have grown roots in strange places. Clarke grounds Bellamy. She does the opposite for Finn. #The100

Wow thats really interesting and makes so much sense.

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Originally Posted by Sehj_Delena (Post 78794717)

This is a huge sign for me as well.. The writers wouldnt have Murphy say that line unless he had in fact changed. and while i do believe the battle changed him, Clarke also had something to do with it...

Mar_1

11-06-2014 05:26 PM

Leelala im not deny their influence on each other, that they make a wonderful leardership (if i didn´t make it clear before i would like to make it now) but what i can´t take is everything being a parallel or every action (positive is most part) happen because the other one influence/push/change the other. Like, i saw people gif their lines of (i dont recall the line per si)about save/waiting for their friends like that was so bellarke but raven said the same thing.

And also i´m tired of how Bellamy is becaming a shodow of/reduce to what Clarke make of him. Everythinh he does now is taken as Clarke influence. I just dislike that. And i would hate if Clarke was reduce to Bellamy as well, but thank God that´s not happening yet.

Fuzzy Dunlop i agree with you about the mininal analysis of the watch between Bellamy and Finn.

Fuzzy Dunlop

11-06-2014 05:35 PM

Yeah, I know what you're saying Mar_1. I think a lot of the change in Bellamy is due to the weight of guilt he's carrying around with him. Of course he learned a lot from working with Clarke, but we shouldn't diminish how important his own mistakes have been in shaping the person he's becoming. Shooting Jaha, those 300 people on the Ark, torturing Lincoln, etc. You could see that really clearly when he tried to convince Finn not to torture the Grounder. He was like "I have done this exact same thing before and it broke me." Those things are the main source of his character development. Clarke is only a small part of it. Like maybe he would have killed himself or ran off on his own if Clarke hadn't encouraged him to stay and be brave, but the change in attitude I think comes mostly from the guilt and regret. And maybe Murphy is teasing him about that because, as a total sociopath, Murphy doesn't understand or respect those kinds of emotions.

Mar_1

11-06-2014 05:50 PM

Fuzzy Dunlop THANK YOU for put in such articulate way what i was having a hard time to express. :)

kenni727

11-06-2014 05:51 PM

I don’t think anyone would deny Clarke’s influence on Bellamy. Or his influence on her. But there is so much more to each of them.

I like the parallels so many are drawing between the two. Are some a bit of a stretch? Perhaps. But to each his own.

Personally I see the parallels not so much as how one has impacted the other but rather just demonstrating how they both are changing. They aren’t the same people who landed on the ground, like what, 3 weeks ago? They’ve both changed. Some of that change is because of the other and some of it is not. They’ve had joint as well as individual experiences to shape them. And I believe it’s all of that which is leading them to a path closer to each other.

For example, Charlotte and torturing Lincoln were shared experiences bringing them closer. Wells and the love triangle with Finn are things Clarke experienced independent of Bellamy, but they are also things which led her to a place to come closer to him. Octavia and (some things with) Murphy are thing Bellamy experienced independent of Clarke, but they are also things which led him to a place to come closer to her.

Maud&Danny

11-06-2014 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kenni727 (Post 78798362)

I don’t think anyone would deny Clarke’s influence on Bellamy. Or his influence on her. But there is so much more to each of them.

It sure looks like you're making a big deal out of this....

We keep saying in this thread that they're influencing each other, yet they are their own person and there's more to them than just parallels and the obvious "challenging each other" thing...

You're not going to change people's mind on Bellarke. To each their own. ;)

Leelala

11-06-2014 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mar_1 (Post 78798011)

Yeah I get where you are coming from, I dont think either are becoming a shadow of the other and I dont think that would ever happen...
On the other hand if shippers feel joy in creating these gifs etc, beauty is in the eye of the beholder so my thoughts are simply to let them have their cake ;)

mackayfire

11-06-2014 11:35 PM

I love Bellarke and their friendship and do hope for a potential romance (as romantic as surviving day-to-day can be).

I guess for me the fear is that what they have will be ruined. So far they have been written so effectively as friends and the investment is there now and with that, the risk that they will be suddenly written badly as anything more than platonic.

The one romance arc on the show was between Finn and Clarke which was so hollow and bungled. I can understand that the character development wasn't behind it like Bellarke but it's also a balancing act turning friends into lovers. Most of the narrative and characters interactions on the show in general is driven by plot which makes sense but also makes me worry when it comes to evolving a core character dynamic on the show.

I could easily survive a few seasons with little hints or interactions that give hope for more if it makes for a satisfying transition. Mulder/Scully from X Files is one of my favourite ever ships and that's kinda the way they panned out.

I guess I'm cautiously optimistic!

Maud&Danny

11-07-2014 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mackayfire (Post 78802132)

You do realise that Clarke and Bellamy aren't really "friends". I mean, sure, they trust each other, look up to each other but we still haven't seen anything close to a friendship. Like Bruce Miller said, they are acting like a couple, yet they're not romantically involved for now.

I thought it was made clear that the one romance arc the show has since episode 6 of S1 is Lincoln/Octavia.

A few seasons? Who are you kidding? First of all the show won't have a few seasons to count on and then the way they are developping Bellamy and Clarke...I'm expecting the first hints towards the end of this season.

Fuzzy Dunlop

11-07-2014 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mackayfire (Post 78802132)

I totally agree with you on all points here. And Mulder and Scully are one of my all-time favorites, too! Ah, childhood memories! :sigh:

mackayfire

11-07-2014 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Maud&Danny (Post 78802406)

I don't see how you can say they are can be acting like a couple and yet have nothing close to friendship. They co-lead and trust each other, admire qualities in each other and know each others strengths and weaknesses etc which I think is pretty close to friendship. Not like they have time to sit down and discuss their hobbies.

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I totally agree with you on all points here. And Mulder and Scully are one of my all-time favorites, too! Ah, childhood memories!

I know I used to be terrified and mesmerised by that show back in the teenage years!

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