Damocles

If that's the case though, why even bother with Gina? I totally get that he would feel absolutely responsible for the rest of the people in there (children AGAIN too). I totally get it. They could have done all of that without Gina though. I would have rather seen him have a scene or two with those people inside Mount Weather, to make that connection between them.

I'm gonna stop complaining about the last episode soon I just don't like when writers don't show enough of something on screen and expect us to write it for ourselves.

girl under the floor

This.

I've read all of the discussion, but I'm just still not on board.

Okay, let's say it wasn't OOC for Bellamy to make this decision. Then they should have given me plausible character evolution for that on screen.
Cause the way it was written right now just doesn't give Bellamy enough credit.

I wasn't in the fandom for the whole Finn-thing, I only started watching the 100 3 weeks ago. But I felt with Finn at least there was some building to it, it wasn't just like *snap*, changed my mind from shot to shot. It was totally believable.
This I just feel differently about, and that's not because Bob is a hot guy

kenni727

He totally should. Can I be your assistant?

So who's doing the seeking?

Okay...but why not Gina? She didn't in any way detract, if anything she added a layer to Bellamy's guilt. My point was just that people seem to be all up in arms claiming Gina was pointless because her relationship with Bellamy wasn't developed to justify him going over the edge for her sake. But it wasn't all about her. She's just one piece of the puzzle for Bellamy.

As for build up for Finn vs build up for Bellamy - I do believe the writers were laying more groundwork for Finn going bonkers. Whereas with Bellamy I think there's not as much buildup which make his actions seem to come from nowhere at first. But as you look back the pieces come together - that puzzle I mentioned before. This actually is very much in Bellamy's nature. Still a stupid plan. But Bellamy nonetheless.

Fogh

Granted I had a feeling this was coming from the season 3 trailer but I did see signs prior to this episode. I just would really have liked if they had spread it out over two episodes.

Also where is all of his friends that should be talking him out of this nonsense? I get that Clarke is busy getting freaky with her hot commander chick, but hasn't Monty made it back yet? Can't his sister talk him out of killing HER people. Is raven in a hibernation chamber? It almost seems like a perfect storm if the people that could talk him out of it aren't around to do so.

AnaMack

And I believe it will happen soon enough... They've already shown us her substitute in power, they're showing her teaching the kids a lot(and while this does serve as fanservice and marysue-ing, it can also have to do with her passing), anyway...

It's even more ridiculous that while Lexa gets superpowers, we see no Raven, Bellamy's plot is rushed... And yet we basically see Lexa going to the toilet, bathing

The thing with Finn, to me, is that they had established the depth of his feelings for Clarke, we had a whole season plus 5 episodes prior to his going mad. He spent days lost with Bellamy trying to find camp. Grounders were the major enemy back then and he truly believed they were torturing her. Now, had this happened with Bellamy, back then, when he hadn't had 3 months of "peace", when Indra was not inserted in their community somehow, and Octavia had been presumably in grounders territory being tortured, they could have made one episode of Bellamy going crazy(as opposed to Finn's couple of episodes), it would have made perfect sense! But even then, had they staged a scene such as that one with Pike, where he's questioning his ideas, then fully accepting them a shot later, it would still be ridiculous. But had they made it like Finns, it would be perfectly acceptable. Not that Finns was, but with Bellamy it would. Still, Finns was far more developed than Bellamys actual anakin skywalkering because the scene was so dumbly staged, wehilst Finn had at least two episodes of turning crazy.

There you go again...
A lot f peple wanted this storyline. Bellamy fans, our entire Bellarke thread, we wanted this downfall, it was simply poorly written! Nonshippers have haated it, nonBellamyfans haave hated it, it was poorly developed. Also, I can saay for myself, I love Kane, but I don't think his change was that well developed, although it was less out of nowhere than Bellamys because they were more sowly doing so.

Bellamy was never that bad. Murphy, yes, he was crazy, but Bellamy wasn't like him. He did his wrongs, but he wasn't "horrid". Also, his automatic "what have I done" next week is a 100% in character. He's done it from the very start. People who claim how bad he was back then often forget what he's gone through after finding out he was responsible for 300 deaths in the ark.

Because it isn't. Murphy has come a long, long way. We've seen him slowly coming to who he is today.

Oh, it's ok, wifey is coming back to town Clarke seems to be forgetting a lot of things nowadays

Karma Police

She wasn't needed, they only created her to have something to build him going over the edge around. They focused mainly on him feeling guilty about telling her to stay. He would have felt responsible regardless of having somebody close in there or not because that's who Bellamy is. Besides, if they wanted to focus on him telling somebody he cares about to stay, it should have been somebody the audience already knows well and with whom Bellamy has an established relationship with.

kenni727

No, she wasn't needed, but she added an extra element. Personally, I felt his grief over her to be significant. On top of being someone he cared about and whose death he feels responsible for, she represented Bellamy's attempt to move on from past events and be happy. Was he really succeeding in that endeavor? Didn't seem like it. But he was at least trying and what little progress he was making in moving on with his life just got shot to hell.

AnaMack

That's the thing, the reasons were there. What was lacking was the build up. That's why it's called a poorly written episode and not a nonsense storyarc I just hoped there would have been at least a more developed scene, if not a whole episode. It's like the photo recap, with Pike going "wait, what? You're in? Man, I had a whole speech prepared to convince you, what do you mean you're already in?!"

Which would totally parallel with 2x16, thus closing the "we can't maake decisions without the other" arc. Both **** up, then runaway to face all the deaths in their hands

And then there's that... Where the **** was Octavia???? Lincoln gets hurt, she's there in a minute. Bellamy's girlfriend freaking dies, plus circa 40 innocent lives, his fault, and she's nowhere to be seen???? Yeah, let's make a whole scene of Clarke bandaging Lexa's wounds, that's way more important than the Blake siblings taking care of each other

Yeah, but it's easier to kill Gina than Raven, Monty, or any other already established character, isn't it? And thank god, it wasn't Raven! Well, it could have been one of the 100 subcharacters... Miller's boyfriend would add another friend's significant other to his list, but who would like that? Ah, Miller's boyfriend

Precisely. That's why we only got to see more of her the episode she died, so we could actually feel that death and understand why it would affect Bellamy and Raven (who wasn't even there to grief it, but, anyway, she's cried enough in 3x03, let's see Lexa showering )

Karma Police

But it was nobody the audience felt any connection to. It would have been more powerful if it was somebody we've known for longer than 3 episodes. Such a story arc should be paced out better and be more developed in general. The entire arc with Pike comes across as rushed and ridiculous. It just happens too fast.

Sure it isn't but it would be more interesting, more compelling and more powerful if it was somebody the audience cared about too. Besides, it's cheap story-telling to introduce somebody as a plot device just to justify your next decision. I think the writing wouldn't suffer if they spent one or two more episodes on this. All of it just felt rushed.

Damocles

Exactly.

Look, I didn't mind the idea of Gina, and I personally would have liked to see her stick around longer. I found her quite personable in the short period of time she had in her final episode. That said, I'll still maintain that she was pointless. We don't need an extra element to the puzzle of Bellamy, we already know how completely horrendous he would feel about EVERYONE inside MW.

I do agree with that, and totally appreciate that. I really think this is an issue of a show that has few episodes but with huge aspirations. I would have loved to see more Bellamy + Gina to see that he was truly trying and becoming somewhat successful at moving on. At the end of the day, some stuff is just getting mega-squished!


....also can we please see more of Miller and his boyfriend? Yes please!

AnaMack

I think the 3x03 scenes with Gina made a difference as opposed to her participation in prior episodes. Alsso, Bellamy's speech set the trigger. That was the most important scene regarding her.

except he wasn''t. And the fact that he ***** up the minute Clarke was involved makes it worse. He was trying, though, he was really trying, and she had nothing to do with that Ice Nation mess. She had nothing to do with it and it was his fault. I guess that's enough for his grief. If only the Pike scene had been as developed as his crying to Kane or Raven's pain in 3x03...

kenni727

But what I'm saying is the buildup wasn't actually needed for Bellamy. Because these actions demonstrate WHO HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN. Whereas Finn totally changed character so that needed more development. So without the buildup it was one of those initial whiplash moments like, "WHAT THE HELL?" But then once you calm down to think about it things make sense and then I think, "Awww...I see what you did there."

And I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I felt a connection with Gina. Or at least felt what Bellamy was trying to achieve with that relationship. She represented this hope that he never quite believed in.

Fogh

I think people are missing the point here. Whether or not Gina was important isn't the major problem. The problem is that he is going along with the plan to kill 300 grounders that will put all sky people in danger.

It would be like Andorra attacking the US.

AnaMack

I see what Jason wanted to do there, it was just very poorly executed. No one's questioning his idea perself, but the development of it. It literaally took him one alcohol shot

Of course the build up was necessary, they are dealing with a character's two seasons worth of development!! He's changed, a lot, since early season one, and it was developed. Finn totally changed from 1x03 to 1x04, then he went nuts, he was never that well developed character Bellamy is, but even then, he still got more development on going crazy than Bellamy got. Bellamy going with Pike an episode later? Yeah, we would all get thaat. A shot later? That was plaainly ridiculous! Anyone could have written a better scene, for Fs sake

kenni727

Umm...I think that Andorra vs. USA comparison to be a bit off. Though I get your point that the Sky People are not truly equipped to take on the Grounders. Which is very true.

I know Bellamy's been developed. Never argued that. You aren't getting my point, which is that what Bellamy is currently doing does not truly contradict his character development. He's behaving irrationally in an attempt to do what he believes his best to take care of and protect those he cares about, his people. Am I saying it's a good idea? Hell no. But it is indeed inline with who Bellamy fundamentally is.