sofiab

Episode 4x07 – Wallflower

star_gazer02

Thanks for the thread!

I'm sad this will be the last episode for 2011. After tonight we will have to endure the awful hiatus.

sofiab

The episode was much better than I thought, it got me really interested and focused until the end. And the ending was fantastic. Oh, Nina, I love you and your mysterious/twisted ways. She's activating Olivia, but for what?

The promo looked smashing; it would have been an awesome fall finale.

I'll be back later to comment after I re-watch.

star_gazer02

I can't really say much right now b/c that was sooo good!!! I really didn't expect it to be. But OMG THE FREAKING ENDING!!!! The PREVIEW for January!!

galesgirl645

I'm speechless! that episode! and the ending

Jazzed

lol..
As soon as I saw those high heeled shoes/ boots I knew it was going to be Nina.
There was something so phoney fuzzy about how she answered Olivia's questions - kind of weird Olivia (always the sceptic and asking questions) didn't question it any further - but maybe that is this universe/ version of Olivia trusting Nina more in the position she took in her life.

All these universes and alternate realities are hard to keep up with I really am not sure anymore even if we are still in the blue universe (with a few what if so and so had happened/ didn't happen twists - ie in this case Peter not growing up to be an adult and all the impact and implications that had on Olivia, Walter and as side effect also their relations to other characters) or a total other universe..

Case was so so but I really liked how Olivia was questioning her 'normalcy' i.e. to which degree was it her or to which degree was it due to what had been done to her including all the ramifications with that. It was interesting (if in a way also sad) to see her struggle with that, as at some level surely she always does but she's learned to be strong and deal with stuff from so young on that that definitely shaped her.

The vulnerability of this Lincoln and the attraction he's clearly feeling for Olivia is quite sweet. I like the dynamic between the two, though also a bit sad to see Peter and Olivia seem to be astranged and drifting apart more every episode passing. I guess it makes sense in the arch/ whole storyline on this series but like some of you mentioned too, I AM wondering where they are going with this tbh.
No more red universe and walternate (that storyline is totally forgotten now it seems ) and Peter is reassembling the chair to get back to ' his' reality and Olivia.. Wonder where he'll be finding the parts since it took them a while to re-assemble all the stuff.. Also whatever happened to those human/adapting shapeshifter thingies?

I liked the episode but yeah it's quite confusing overall what with storylines dropped/ not addressed and well all over the place.. But I definitely liked Lincoln/Olivia. (Has anyone thought of a good shipname for them yet? )

sofiab

I knew it was her too, and thank you for that or I would have been disappointed.

When Nina used the word experiment, life is an experiment, I knew she was trying to fool Olivia. But we don't know at what extent she influenced those girls' lives.

I think that this is the blue universe, but a different timeline of it, just like the red verse is the same, but also with a different timeline where certain things didn’t happen and others did. And of course, without Peter.

Case was so so but I really liked how Olivia was questioning her 'normalcy' i.e. to which degree was it her or to which degree was it due to what had been done to her including all the ramifications with that. It was interesting (if in a way also sad) to see her struggle with that, as at some level surely she always does but she's learned to be strong and deal with stuff from so young on that that definitely shaped her.

I think because she's trying to have some normalcy in her life, in this episode she definitely reached out to Lincoln, and he too is trying to find a purpose in all this.


PO are drifting apart because it's all set for the possible return of Peter to what he thinks is his home. He's detached and isolated, he's even playing matchmaker.

They’ll be back next episode. Have you seen the promo? It’s going to be epic!


I liked them too. To see them without their usual working suits was so refreshing. But I don’t ship them, the only way I would was if this timeline was indeed a different universe and Peter and Olivia had nothing to do with each other.

Shipnames? There’s Leevia, Leeham , Linvia

And now my comment on the episode.

From the sneak peeks and promos, I was afraid this episode wouldn’t be too god, but I really enjoyed it. In terms of plot, it didn’t progress much from last week, but this wasn’t supposed to be the fall finale. From the promo we’ve seen it’s going to be an epic one.

This week it was about the importance of being seen to be recognized and how important it is to express emotions in order to feel. I saw a parallel between Peter/Eugene and Olivia/Eugene. Peter desperately wants to be seen, he’s invisible for the people he knows and loves, no wonder the only one he can connect is Lincoln because he’s the one with no expectations involved. However, while Eugene wanted to connect, Peter is doing the opposite because he thinks those are not his people, all he wants is to go home. Things ended bad for Eugene even if he achieved his goal of being visible for a little while, how will they end for Peter and his quest to go home and be seen by those he loves?

Olivia is questioning her inability to feel freaked out with her life. Lincoln doubts he can get used to it, Astrid needs help to cope with it, yet she just accepts and rolls with it so to say. Nina assures her that everything is fine with her, was she convinced? She reached out to Lincoln, was it just her trying to feel normal, trying to connect with someone? I honestly haven’t seen her having problems opening up with people; she did it with Astrid, Nina, Lincoln. And Lincoln is someone who is also desperately in need of connecting, of a support, so much that this time he doesn’t say no to Olivia’s late night rendezvous.

Now Nina, what a delight! That last scene when she turns around and closes the door; I’ve been waiting for this for three seasons, a Nina who clearly has some very questionable motives behind her actions. In the end her intentions could be noble, but they way she wants to achieve them is more than questionable. It was obvious that it wasn’t just her kind heart that made her take Olivia and Rachel under her wing. She knew her potential and all this time I bet Olivia has been a lab rat just like Eugene. But how is she going to use Olivia and why now? Does it have anything to do with Peter? Is it because Olivia is questioning who she is and emotions are beginning to overwhelm her? It’s when Olivia strongly feels that her abilities surface. Is she being activated?

All in all it was a better episode than I was expecting. It’s just a shame that we were denied this week what I’m sure would have been an awesome fall finale.

My only complaint this season continues to be the lack of AU and Observers. But I know a story can’t be told in one chapter so I’m eagerly waiting for the next one.

ale-la-pazza1

Loved the case in the episode.

When he died

Poor Peter wants to go home and no one but Lincoln is helping him.

Wtf is Nina doing?

Finity

I don't know if this is the right thread for my question but can anybody tell me why we have to wait till january for episode 4x08 ? I mean other series air in december too so why doesn't Fringe ? Also Fringe had an unwanted two weeks break

sofiab

That's the hiatus, all shows will stop now and only come back in January. I don't think many will air in December. The problem with our show was that they're not airing the episode that was supposed to be the fall finale because of the baseball.

Wild Pikachu

Well, hmph.

I liked the case. The best non-arc-driven cases, like And Those We Left Behind and White Tulip, are those involving people driven to do extraordinarily bad things by ordinary human emotions and desires.

At the beginning of the episode, I was over the budding Olivia/Lincoln relationship. But by the end, I could see it. Peter trying to get them together is cute...but if he's wrong, and the yellowverse is an altered form of the blueverse, then he might end up regretting it. Although we don't know how reversing what the Observers did would work. Would everything snap back to the way it was before, and if it did, would anyone remember the altered timeline? Or would everything that's changed stay the same, with everyone just "remembering" the way things used to be?

The notion that Peter is right, and the yellowverse is completely separate from the blueverse, has a bunch of disturbing implications. If changing something in the timeline just creates a new parallel universe, then...well, it would mean that the blueverse's timeline is really unalterable, and the future that Peter saw in the The Day We Died is unavoidable. I think the most compelling argument against this is that when Peter was deleted, the redverse changed along with the blueverse. Now, that might be because Peter is from the redverse, and because the redverse and the blueverse were already linked by Walter's crossing over... The alternative would be that there is a completely different version not just of the blueverse but also the redverse.

I'll be interested to see what color the logo of the next episode is... IIRC, episodes that spanned both universes were green (red plus blue), which would make the next one...? Or, if it's just considered an alternate universe episode...the blueverse has shifted to yellow, which is the light opposite of blue, so would the redverse have shifted to cyan (which would show up more as aqua onscreen)? We'll see...

Finity

I find your thoughts very interesting. The titel of the new episode seems to deal with this .We changed only timelines. In the blue and in the redverse Peter didn't exist. you can see it in the promo from 4x08 Altlivia didn't know him as well. So if we changed only timelines, maybe there is no other univers and then Peter has no place to go back. But how does it go on?
1. no univers to go back because there is no other one
2. only timelines changed in both universes
3. Peter maybe has to change the timeline but then what happend with the both univereses? Or can he change timeline without destroing the bridght?
4. I could go on with this the whole day

So many questions and two months we have to wait, I will die

TheObserver

first of all - I think this at the moment is our "blue" universe but just with peter being theoretically wiped out of history - why I think that it's our universe is because the deep past relations between peter and olivia/walther brought him "back".
i don't think it would be that much of a deal if the observers have done that, as they have done greater timeline editing things in the past than just erasing one person.

uhuh fringe gives me lots to think about!

and I must say - it was a sad end for that albinoghost guy.. living all his life just to be seen a few times

EDIT: you remember how the observers were doing tests on walther to see if he would be able to let peter 'go' /die? i think neither walther nor olivia were able to let let go completely!

"Energy can not be lost or distroyed" (Basic physic law) so the energy peter put into olivia and walther can not be destroyed?

ring of fire

I agree. I think it's our universe and our timeline because Olivia and Walter had a connection to Peter before he appeared. The observers just erased him from history.

I wonder if the observers are going to make Olivia and Walter remember or if they are going to revert things back to "normal" at some point.

zenmaster

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