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Mammary_Glands 06-06-2010 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by funsponge (Post 47547434)
i definitely agree. not to mention all the opportunities he had to get effy help but chose not to because he wanted to help her himself. i get that he was tired and probably felt really alone at that point, ready to give up, and it was an unhealthy relationship for him to be in anyway (as proven TIME and TIME again), so i don't blame him for wanting to leave. but it doesnt change the fact that he made all these promises to her that he couldn't keep. and it doesnt change the fact that he was gonna leave without even saying a word to her. not even a note (he had the decency to leave his sister). you can't think about yourself when someone you love is as mentally ill as effy was and that's exactly what he was doing. but at that point, i dont think he had a choice. he didn't care about himself anymore and when he finally stood up and said i'm leaving i was like 'finally he's gonna try and be something besides effy's appendage'.

they just dont work together. i see both sides, but in the end both sides tell me the same thing: they weren't what either of them needed.
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Mammary_Glands 06-06-2010 11:48 AM
i bought a ****ing gateau, again?

Live in Love ~ 06-06-2010 11:48 AM
I Bought A ****ing Gateaux?

honey__tree 06-06-2010 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by funsponge (Post 47547434)
i definitely agree. not to mention all the opportunities he had to get effy help but chose not to because he wanted to help her himself. i get that he was tired and probably felt really alone at that point, ready to give up, and it was an unhealthy relationship for him to be in anyway (as proven TIME and TIME again), so i don't blame him for wanting to leave. but it doesnt change the fact that he made all these promises to her that he couldn't keep. and it doesnt change the fact that he was gonna leave without even saying a word to her. not even a note (he had the decency to leave his sister). you can't think about yourself when someone you love is as mentally ill as effy was and that's exactly what he was doing. but at that point, i dont think he had a choice. he didn't care about himself anymore and when he finally stood up and said i'm leaving i was like 'finally he's gonna try and be something besides effy's appendage'.

they just dont work together. i see both sides, but in the end both sides tell me the same thing: they weren't what either of them needed.
:clap: i can't agree more. in s3 i didn't see the 'love' but in s4 i did. i know they were in love with each other and cared for eachother but they just couldn't work, ever. they tried, they failed.

PrettyGirlsMakeGraves 06-06-2010 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by funsponge (Post 47547434)
i definitely agree. not to mention all the opportunities he had to get effy help but chose not to because he wanted to help her himself. i get that he was tired and probably felt really alone at that point, ready to give up, and it was an unhealthy relationship for him to be in anyway (as proven TIME and TIME again), so i don't blame him for wanting to leave. but it doesnt change the fact that he made all these promises to her that he couldn't keep. and it doesnt change the fact that he was gonna leave without even saying a word to her. not even a note (he had the decency to leave his sister). you can't think about yourself when someone you love is as mentally ill as effy was and that's exactly what he was doing. but at that point, i dont think he had a choice. he didn't care about himself anymore and when he finally stood up and said i'm leaving i was like 'finally he's gonna try and be something besides effy's appendage'.

they just dont work together. i see both sides, but in the end both sides tell me the same thing: they weren't what either of them needed.
Agree agree agree.

PrettyGirlsMakeGraves 06-06-2010 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Mammary_Glands (Post 47547586)
i bought a ****ing gateau, again?
What do you mean again? :furious: Did we already do that? Cuz I wasn't here.

Mammary_Glands 06-06-2010 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by honey__tree (Post 47547594)
:clap: i can't agree more. in s3 i didn't see the 'love' but in s4 i did. i know they were in love with each other and cared for eachother but they just couldn't work, ever. they tried, they failed.
ia with your comment.

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What do you mean again? Did we already do that? Cuz I wasn't here.
lmfaooo. you missed another one of my idiot moments. :sigh: but yes, we already did it but i forgot you weren't there. my b :love:

Live in Love ~ 06-06-2010 11:51 AM
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i can't agree more. in s3 i didn't see the 'love' but in s4 i did. i know they were in love with each other and cared for eachother but they just couldn't work, ever. they tried, they failed.
ia

signyx 06-06-2010 11:51 AM
I didn't even see love in s4. Well I got that they loved each other, but it didn't come across as epic or anything, it was just unhealthy and co-dependent.

honey__tree 06-06-2010 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by signyx (Post 47547697)
I didn't even see love in s4. Well I got that they loved each other, but it didn't come across as epic or anything, it was just unhealthy and co-dependent.
i agree, most of it was unhealthy. i did see some moments of love though, i have to admit.

in s3 i saw nothing. so that was an improvement.

Live in Love ~ 06-06-2010 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by signyx (Post 47547697)
I didn't even see love in s4. Well I got that they loved each other, but it didn't come across as epic or anything, it was just unhealthy and co-dependent.
their story is not epic, they didn't overcome any problem together, everytime there was a problem, one or the other was ready to leave

PrettyGirlsMakeGraves 06-06-2010 11:55 AM
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lmfaooo. you missed another one of my idiot moments. but yes, we already did it but i forgot you weren't there. my b
:eyebrow: Okay then.

Your turn.

Mammary_Glands 06-06-2010 11:55 AM
freddie and effy pretty much had the worst relationship in Skins. and i mean fundamentally. everything was all wrong. circumstance, co-dependency, etc.

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Your turn.
i call never it. i hate having to make them.

bebrave 06-06-2010 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Mammary_Glands (Post 47547836)
freddie and effy pretty much had the worst relationship in Skins. and i mean fundamentally. everything was all wrong. circumstance, co-dependency, etc.
trufax

kitsune 06-06-2010 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by signyx (Post 47547697)
I didn't even see love in s4. Well I got that they loved each other, but it didn't come across as epic or anything, it was just unhealthy and co-dependent.
I saw that Freddie loved her in 405. They also managed to establish "love at first sight" is what they had during the park scene by blantantly saying, 'the moment i saw you' - which means you have to accept their ~fairytale~ love and real foundation isn't necessary. the way he cared for her and was so miserable at the end showed me he loved her, even if he went about stupidly. but anything i found redeeming about them (as a couple) in that episode was completely erased after 407.

kitsune 06-06-2010 11:58 AM
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freddie and effy pretty much had the worst relationship in Skins. and i mean fundamentally. everything was all wrong. circumstance, co-dependency, etc.
word, grr.

Mammary_Glands 06-06-2010 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by funsponge (Post 47547912)
I saw that Freddie loved her in 405. They also managed to establish "love at first sight" is what they had during the park scene by blantantly saying, 'the moment i saw you' - which means you have to accept their ~fairytale~ love and real foundation isn't necessary. the way he cared for her and was so miserable at the end showed me he loved her, even if he went about stupidly. but anything i found redeeming about them (as a couple) in that episode was completely erased after 407.
ia.

people talk about how badly 407 was written and how out of character freddie was, but everything that i hated about him as a character in S3 was pretty much resurrected in that episode. all of the selfishness, that childish me me me attitude, and how he truly doesn't know effy at all.

also, on the subject of 405, i call bull**** on the fact that his mother killed herself and had a mental illness. i refuse to believe karen would have exploited her death as she did in 305 if that was planned all along.

honey__tree 06-06-2010 12:01 PM
enough freffy, title? starter?

kitsune 06-06-2010 12:03 PM
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also, on the subject of 405, i call bull**** on the fact that his mother killed herself and had a mental illness. i refuse to believe karen would have exploited her death as she did in 305 if that was planned all along.
no chey, it was ALL PLANNED FROM THE BEGINNING.

signyx 06-06-2010 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by funsponge (Post 47547912)
I saw that Freddie loved her in 405. They also managed to establish "love at first sight" is what they had during the park scene by blantantly saying, 'the moment i saw you' - which means you have to accept their ~fairytale~ love and real foundation isn't necessary
:nod: For FE's relationship and storyline to even make sense you have to accept that they fell in love at first sight. Without it the entire thing just crumbles.

Mammary_Glands 06-06-2010 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by funsponge (Post 47548089)
no chey, it was ALL PLANNED FROM THE BEGINNING.
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4201/ambfpy.gif

not starting.~

PrettyGirlsMakeGraves 06-06-2010 12:04 PM
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i call never it. i hate having to make them.
:rolleyes: Fine, Live in Love's turn.

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the way he cared for her and was so miserable at the end showed me he loved her, even if he went about stupidly.
Completely agree. I saw Freddie's love, but never really Effy's. :shrug: Nothing ever showed me that she was in love with him, and I think for her, it was more about who could take care of her. She chose him because he was safe. And in the end, he wasn't the safe choice, he didn't take care of her. Everything fell apart.

EDIT: I'll start. Title, please. :flowers:

Mammary_Glands 06-06-2010 12:07 PM
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he didn't take care of her.
idk, it's kind of insulting to all of his effort in 405 to say he didn't take care of her. he tried to for as long as he could. there was nothing anyone who wasn't professionally trained to help could do for her. A for effort, i guess.

bebrave 06-06-2010 12:09 PM
Yeah, he tried. He just wasn't strong enough.

kitsune 06-06-2010 12:25 PM
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