That '70s Show - Zenmasters #234: Because He Protected Her ... Again and Again and Again

MistyMountainHop · 07-17-2014, 05:22 AM

permanently-forever

"Jackie and Hyde, the perfect example of Opposites Attract

He's aloof.
She's affable.
He likes Led Zeppelin.
She likes ABBA.
The list goes on.

Despite those differences, though, they have what it takes to make it work. Jackie needs an anchor to pull her back to earth when she gets carried away; Hyde needs someone to care for. They were both abandoned by their parents and never really experienced true love. They don't make the perfect couple, but that's just what makes it even more appealing. The chemistry's undeniable and it's always nice to see the softer side of a self-proclaimed 'badass'. They may seem 'creepy and unnatural' to their friends, but to us they seem just ideal for one another."
-Originally written by Luci (Bijou)

"While Donna (Prepon) and Eric have had their growing pains as a couple, the far more engaging romance - and the most intriguing direction the show has taken - is that involving Jackie and Hyde (Danny Masterson), seeming polar opposites who are destined to bring out the best in each other. Hyde, the iconoclastic, broken-home refugee, has always been a sort of genius-in-waiting. And poor-little-rich-girl Jackie is the one who might finally give him the direction he needs, now that she's finally given up on cute-but-dumb Kelso."

-'Oh How The Years Go By'
Dec 3, 2002 by Steve Robinson
TV Guide Online

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Dila-ness From The That '70s Show Wrap Party, 05-06-06:

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Potential Future Thread Titles:

Because Someday, They'll Star In Their Own Ice Capades
Because According to Him, the Twinkle Lights Were "Breathtaking"
Because His Girlfriend Decorated His Room, and He Liked It
Because He Was Willing to Take a Punch from Kelso for Dating Her
Because His Adoring Gaze Is Only For Her
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MistyMountainHop · 07-17-2014, 05:22 AM

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**msstock87** · 07-19-2014, 02:05 AM

Thanks for the new thread!

MistyMountainHop · 07-19-2014, 05:38 AM

You're welcome.

So ... why do you think Hyde asked Jackie out on a "freakin' date" during "Jackie Bags Hyde"?

hanselnext · 07-20-2014, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MistyMountainHop (View Post)

So ... why do you think Hyde asked Jackie out on a "freakin' date" during "Cat Fight Club"?

You mean in Jackie Bags Hyde? Probably because he wanted to confirm if he felt something for her.

**msstock87** · 07-20-2014, 12:46 AM

I think he felt something for her, and wanted to know what would come of this strange feeling.

MistyMountainHop · 07-20-2014, 06:32 AM

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You mean in Jackie Bags Hyde?

I did!

I was thinking "Jackie Bags Hyde," but my fingers typed something else.

Fixed now (thanks

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So Hyde must have heard truth in Kitty's words. He had enough self-awareness/self-questioning to trust Kitty's POV and find out if he's in denial about his feelings for Jackie. He must have questioned himself in that moment about why he was so protective of her, and you could tell he was pissed at himself for maybe having developed feelings for the girl he supposedly hates. His delivery of, "Jackie, get your car. We're going on a freakin' date," sounds angry and frustrated -- as if he's thinking, "Damn it. Let's get this hell over with."

I like that he doesn't hesitate. The moment he realizes, thanks to Kitty's prompting, that he might have feelings for Jackie, he wants to find out what's going on inside him.

**msstock87** · 07-21-2014, 01:00 AM

All this is making me want to go watch it again.

MistyMountainHop · 07-21-2014, 08:55 AM

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All this is making me want to go watch it again.

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I was asked on tumblr if I thought that someone like Hyde could realistically have a good and loving relationship with someone like Jackie. This inspired me to write the following essay (which, apparently, a lot of Zennies on tumblr agreed with

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Jackie and Hyde are far more than the stereotypical spoiled, rich princess and rebel bad boy. Their characters have many layers—despite that the writers forgot about them toward the end of the show—and because of their particular layers, Jackie and Hyde influence and challenge each other to grow and change. That’s the stuff great relationships are made from

Hyde’s core consists of deep compassion, and he has a self-sacrificing nature. This makes him vulnerable, so he’s developed quite a few self-protection mechanisms, including lying about his true motives for helping others, separating himself from emotion and/or masking his emotions (i.e. what he calls Zen), and—his least appealing quality—passive-aggressiveness.

Jackie’s core consists of compassion and insightfulness. She’s raised, however, by emotionally- and physically-absent parents, who show their love through what they buy her. Jackie continues this pattern with Kelso, buying him thousands of dollars worth of miscellaneous presents and hoping he’ll someday reciprocate in kind. Her self-protection mechanisms include egocentrism, vanity, occasional unfettered hostility, passive-aggressiveness, and—perhaps the most dangerous to her—a fantasy world that mixes with reality.

Whenever she and Hyde interact, however, their self-protection mechanisms tend to fall away, whether immediately or eventually. Hyde repeatedly puts himself in uncomfortable or even hazardous situations to protect Jackie (.e.g., taking her to junior prom, vetting her date Chip during “Jackie Bags Hyde,.” getting arrested for her, etc.) and without a pretense that he’s benefiting from it.

In the episode “Prom Night,” Jackie teaches Hyde that being a condescending snob is only part of her personality. She offers to go inside Hyde’s rundown house to meet his mother, whom she knows is “Gross Edna,” the school’s alcoholic lunch lady. This offer isn’t given in disgust but as an act of respect.

During their first date (“Jackie Bags Hyde”), Jackie shows Hyde she doesn’t have to be a vain chatter box and is quiet for a half-hour. When she does speak, she demonstrates both insight and compassion:

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"You’re wondering, ‘How can I open up to her [Jackie], when everyone I have ever loved have [sic] abandoned me. Am I even worthy of love?’ Well, you are, Steven. You are."

Hyde doesn’t seem to take in her words, but they’ve clearly affected him deeply by the end of their date, as has the rest of what Jackie’s shown herself to be to him.

Jackie often imagines herself married to a rich business man like her father, and she pushes both Kelso and Hyde in this direction. Her love for Kelso never inspires her to let go of this dream, but her love for Hyde—and Hyde himself—does so again and again.

In “The Crunge,” Jackie wants Hyde to go to college. She says:

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"Steven has my heart. Which is why I want him to be rich. I mean, think about all the stuff you could buy for me.

Her pattern of needing to be loved through getting presents—because that’s what she recognizes as love thanks to her parents—kicks in again, but Hyde empowers her, saying, “Jackie, why don’t you earn your own money and buy those things yourself?” It’s an idea she’d never thought of before, but she nods, considering it.

We see how much Jackie’s grown, inspired by her relationship with Hyde, in a scene from “Beast of Burden” (704). Hyde decides to become a mechanic in Red’s muffler shop, and Jackie doesn’t try to stop him. She says, “Fine. If it makes you happy, then I’m happy.” She says this genuinely, and right afterward she also expresses confusion at her own growth:

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"Steven, why is it everything I love about you also grosses me out? … You’re so complicated."

What’s complicated, though, is that her love for Hyde challenges who she’s grown up believing she is. Her values have evolved past those of her parents. She experiences unconditional love from Hyde, protectiveness without a price tag (e.g., when Hyde gives her a safe place to sleep without sex being involved), and she returns both in kind.

The majority of season five and some significant episodes/scenes in seasons six and seven continue to illustrate the positive affect Jackie and Hyde have on each other. In healthy relationships, misunderstandings and hurts often transform into growing and strengthening experiences. When written with their long-established characterizations intact, Jackie and Hyde are perfect for each other.

hanselnext · 07-22-2014, 10:23 PM

I love your essay. J/H worked because they brought out the best in each other most of the time and they helped each other grow and become better individuals. They are perfect for each other.

MistyMountainHop · 07-23-2014, 05:53 AM

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I love your essay. J/H worked because they brought out the best in each other most of the time and they helped each other grow and become better individuals. They are perfect for each other.

Thank you, Nancy!

Jackie and Hyde are perfect for each other.

We were deprived of too many episodes where we could've seen them continue to challenge each other to grow.

jackiehydelover · 07-23-2014, 10:26 AM

TFTNT! I love looking at the opening post when a new thread is made

**msstock87** · 07-24-2014, 12:48 AM

Lisa, I love your essay, it is so true.

MistyMountainHop · 07-24-2014, 05:42 AM

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TFTNT! I love looking at the opening post when a new thread is made

You're welcome!

Me, too.

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Lisa, I love your essay, it is so true.

Aww, thank you, Colleen!

Maybe the T7S writers and S8 showrunners should've read it -- along with thousands of fan signatures to keep J/H together.

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Jackie and Hyde were so kissy in S5. I hate that this essentially disappeared after "Magic Bus" (603). Even in Ramble On (505) during all the Super Pals scenes, J/H can't keep their lips off each other.

**msstock87** · 07-24-2014, 09:54 PM

They should read how mad we still are about them breaking them up!

I love watching them kiss so much.

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