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Reflections {Alex and Meredith}#27 Because from the beginning, they've understood each other's human complexities.
n u m b e r · 26 This thread is devoted to the friendship and potential for a romantic relationship of Alex Karev & Meredith Grey I’ve said before that Alex is Meredith’s mirror and I’m saying it again. He’s too screwed up to give Ava a reason to stay because he doesn’t think he’s good enough. And it’s no coincidence that this scene comes right before the MerDer scene where Derek is asking her, all pained and raw, to put him out of his misery and Meredith is WAY too screwed up to give him an answer. They’re damaged people, Alex and Meredith. {If you'd like to be added, please ask} 01. watchmebleed 02. Robotica 03. McLena 04. Lilla 05. shinystar 06. asile 07. sunnykerr 08. mcdreamylover 09. ColdLinoleum 10. guiltypleasure1 11. Decadance 12. dancer150 13. SpySyd 14. -Terri- 15. LukaAbbyLover 16. rmc19945 17. Louisiana 18. McB 19. alex_kingston 20. maryamm5 21. zietke 22. aussieGAfan 23. H007 24. ryanforever 25. mialys 26. Lennie1984 27. berlingal 28. princess fiona 29. infinite sadness 30. dizzie_forever 31. Fiyero34 32. girl.inthewar 33. brathanfan27 34. LooBitteTundiLoo 35. flame1731 36. valeposh 37. tonka17 38. mariem201 39. Dorkodancer147 40. IsabelAmandaEvans 41. Kebab_37 42. jahnnabanana 43. Nymph Marty 44. Izobel 45. loveder&mer 46. WalaBridget 47. gizzie fan 48. mariem201 49. KEL_BEL 50. You. Yes. You. 51. sh0brenda 52. gabigirl 53. lexzie4ever 54. aprilof06 55. hungry4chocolate 56. chemicalgenius 57. josebajm 58. xlennie 59. MargaretAb 60. Faiths_Angel 61. mayne1028 62. TheSweetestSmile 63. crashintoyou 64. Chattia 65. Flowers 66. amcfan 67. jessss 68. Marahno 69. dreamergirl! 70. andre silva 71. ParisDoyle 72. wanderer78 73. unokid123 74. Annemarie22 75. AstronomySnap 76. Jean0524 77. BehindGreenEyes 78. MovieManiac 79. -Nora- 80. Maité 81. xNaley23x 82. naturellebella 83. Greysaholic 84. LeylaFenixx 85. ReneeM06 86. lisegurl 87. lenaMD 88. NotYourChick86 89. redrose13 90. *Crppier 91. NJHForeverandAlways 92. honey__tree 93. BrightYellow 94. sweetxmisery 95. mesmerized 96. Soledad91 97. Sarang 98. Ricanyork 99. djchika~ 100. devylish 101. BrightTerri 102. karevluvsstevens85. 103. Fairy* 104. Liina 105. TheShepherds 106. Slayerette89 107. gourcuff 107. JaSam4Life 108. love fades 109. karoolina 110. B.Chambers 111. Red Diamonds 112. Mountain_Girl 113. darkxtwisty 114. Japril 115. AlwaysCB m o m e n t s
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prefer another title but TFTNT btw...
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TFTNT. I just read the discussion that started in the last topic and felt like saying a few things. I've been a Merlex fan for years, they were my brotp for 10 seasons (I even thought I was in this shippers list but for some reason I'm not ), so I'm definitely not a hater that came to this topic to cause trouble, though I've probably voiced my issues with this friendship in the past year a lot in this forum.
I'm an Alex fan, have been for years, that's why I'm probably biased but I thought maybe you guys would wanna hear an Alex (and Jolex, since Jolex fans were mentioned too) fan's thoughts on this. Quote:
I think my biggest issue with that was when in 11x15 Meredith had just taken over his patient without telling him, and even then he wouldn't say "what are you doing? Being your person is one thing but you can't steal my patients!", you know? In a typical Alex way. Instead he just said nothing and then blew up at Jo when she mentioned Meredith's streak because he was so worried that it would mess with her head. To me it felt like he was babying Meredith, and Meredith is God knows the last person who needs that. I have talked to several Alex fans, hardcore fans, and none of us can understand why he was acting like this. To us it just felt like the writers changed his personality in 11x01 and softened him up immensely, which turned him into the person who would just support everyone unconditionally without ever saying "what you're doing is wrong", which was one of the things we always admired most about Alex. That he wouldn't take anyone's bull**** and wouldn't pick sides, and that he still managed to be a great friend. So I definitely agree with your post, Alex has never complained about anything regarding his situation with Meredith in the past two seasons. And that's exactly what bugs us fans so much, that the writers seem to be using him to prop other characters (not just Meredith and believe me, him being there for Meredith is something I prefer seeing over him giving Maggie a sappy pep talk just because she needed an ego boost) but that Alex doesn't even mind. That's what makes everything so frustrating. Because to me it shows that the writers don't have any other plans for him other than being everyone's support system. And for a character that has been neglected a lot in the past 10 seasons we fans just think that it's unfair to him, because he deserves to get his own stories and move forward in his career or personal life. Quote:
The only issue I had at all with Merlex this season was Alex's beahvior in 12x05, because for me that was completely over the top. Not after he found out about Penny, but before. Because it looks like Alex is so fixated on Meredith's every look and move that he can't think about anything else anymore and tunes out everyone else, even his girlfriend, just because he sees that Meredith has a weird look on her face. It's admirable that he cares so much about her that he would realize something like that, but it also makes it look like again, providing support for Meredith is his only purpose in life. I think I would've understood his constant worry better if let's say the dinner had been hosted on the anniversary of Derek's death or another date where Meredith would've been very vulnerable and sensitive. Or if Derek's death was still very fresh, you know? But it's been 1.5 since his death and 6 months since Meredith returned to Seattle, so him hovering so much just because Meredith looked a little weird (I want to emphasize: BEFORE he found about Penny) made me cringe, because as an Alex fan I felt like that was pretty ooc. Quote:
But we Jolex fans have long realized that the real problem here is Alex and the (for us) ooc writing for him that makes him completely ignore his girlfriend in order to be a good friend. We certainly understand that Alex feels responsible for Meredith (in my case it's one of the few things about Alex that I still understand lately ) and I'm glad that Meredith fans see that we do. The writing for Alex is our main problem, because while it makes him look like a great friend it also makes him look like a crappy boyfriend and that pretty much diminishes everything about Jolex relationship that I have loved in seasons 9 and 10 (including the fact that Shonda had made Jo Alex's person before Cristina left and he became Meredith's). And to me that just sucks a lot because IMO not only made a one-eighty when it comes to his personality but he also did it with Jo. Which does arise doubts in me about a potential Alex/Meredith pairing that I had pretty much ruled out after Shonda emphasized their brother/sister relationship. Today I watched the chapel scene with Alex and Meredith for the first time and I loved the scene. To me it was great, without Alex being too over the top protective or sweet, just being there for Meredith. It maybe sucked a little that it was his only scene in the episode, but I liked that Alex seemed to be acting like Alex to me. So of course I'd like to see a scene where maybe Alex has problems and Meredith is there for him, just to see a little more of the other side of the Merlex friendship again, but I think my (and other Alex fans') main problem isn't Meredith or how she treats Alex, but how the writers treat Alex and how they've been writing him for the past two seasons. We feel like they've reduced him to be the sweet, supportive friend while being a careless boyfriend, and sadly I for example don't see a lot of his old character traits that I've always loved so much anymore. That, and the fact that he doesn't get storylines anymore. It's very painful for me to watch him like this (I hope me saying that doesn't make me sound like a crazy fan who is too invested, because I think to some extent we all are. ), but sadly I don't know why Shonda is writing him like that. At first I admittedly blamed the fact that he had become Meredith's person for it, but I think Shonda could've just easily kept his old personality to make him a good person for Meredith. So again, I'm not blaming Meredith, I'm blaming the writers. That's all I wanted to say. I'm not a native English speaker which sometimes makes it a bit hard for me to express exactly what I wanted to say (I do a lot better job in my native language) which is the reason I don't engage in discussions much and rather stick with the Jolex thread. I hope I didn't come off as rude or offensive. Maybe I also don't fully understand some things, like Meredith's behavior at times, because I've pretty much mainly focused on Alex while watching Grey's for the past 11 seasons, but that's maybe where you Meredith fans can enlighten me. I also realized now that most of my post is based on the theory that Alex Karev is acting out of character since 11x01. I guess someone who doesn't agree with that theory will probably not see where I'm coming from, which is okay too. I just thought that since the person who started this discussion claimed to be neither an Alex nor a Meredith fan and that a lot of Meredith fans are posting here, I as an Alex fan would just talk about how I feel about this. Just so you have a different POV too that maybe helps you understand how Alex fans feel. __________________
"Jo is the love of his life." - Justin Chambers Last edited by xsweetgirlx91; 11-07-2015 at 09:44 AM |
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Well this is a forum that we're here to discuss fictional characters... for those who still care.
I love Mer/Alex friendship and I love Alex as a character on his own too. He was always my third fave character, now he's my second fave, now I lost my other fave character , and I agree they didn't give him any storyline on his own since s10, while the writers had no problem shoving Amelia and Maggie everywhere since last season, I guess that's what they do when they have someone new. Which sucks, cause the originals should always be treated the best. The chapel scene last episode was so good and just so heartbreaking. Last edited by QueenMeredith; 11-07-2015 at 10:05 AM |
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Did I offend someone? My bad.
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lOVE THE LAST SCENE AT THE CHAPEL SO GOOD! it was like old time and no forced.
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I wasn't really talking about your post. I was talking about the posts left in the other thread. It's okay. I understand some are still so passionate about these characters, and I was too. I just see them differently now... It's hard to analyze the show's version of them. That's why I write fanfic, though, to try to make sense of what doesn't make sense... But seasons 11 and 12 are such a mess it's difficult to even begin. And it all feels contrived.
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Thank you for your post xsweetgirlx91. Never apologize about the length, you can say what you want. You bring up a lot of interesting points and I wish I had time to reply to some of them but I'm headed out the door. Maybe later.
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Meredith AND Derek were my favorite characters for ten seasons. I also liked Alex and Meredith's friendship more than Meredith and Cristina. Season 11 changed my perspective on a lot of things. I related to Meredith more than any other character, but that doesn't mean I justify her actions at all times.
I don't understand why you always make this personal, Michelle. You're always attacking someone in your posts because they don't defend Meredith 100% of the time. |
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There was zero malice in my post. You made it personal and attacked me. |
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