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Originally Posted by Cristofle
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Well, it's also commonly defined as:
So if you're prejudiced against both candidates, then that's not impartial. My argument is always that no one is as impartial as they think they are. There are very few areas in which I don't have an opinion, and usually if I don't it's because it's something like sports, where I don't know anything about the topic.
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If you want to use that definition, then I would simply have to disagree with you that I am impatial, and not biased in favour of either candidate. From here, the middle, you see that both sides are not that different in terms of being fed the information that their candidates want them to know.
The last time that I voted in British politics, was in the EU referendum this year. Before that? I can't even remember. And that is because of the candidates, they just don't inspire my belief that my vote would be put to good use. So this is not just a criticism of US politics, but of ours as well.
I agree with you on sports. That is a topic that I avoid, as I have not interest. I am not an expert on politics, but I do my best to be informed, and will defend my views as much as the next man.
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Originally Posted by Cristofle
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What would be the argument that Hillary Clinton has no interest in helping the working or middle class? I'm honestly asking. Do her Wall Street speeches overshadow her policy plans? Because she's certainly the only candidate whose POLICIES make any effort to help the working/middle class. Her voting record generally went that way as well. She isn't as progressive as Warren or Sanders on economic issues (although my issue with Sanders was that he didn't seem to have a comprehensive idea of how to go about implementing his suggestions- I'd have been more inclined to vote for Warren), but that hardly makes her the same as Trump imo.
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Call it my cynicism of politicians, of which Hillary is an experienced one. It's the political experience that she has over Trump, that also makes incincere. If she felt that it would earn her more votes, she would go against all of her policies and join Trump's party.
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Originally Posted by Cristofle
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Now, Trump's very few policy plans would be disastrous for working and middle classes, too. Furthermore, he's been shown to outsource jobs overseas and refuse to pay contractors in his own business.
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I did say that they don't care for anyone other than their own people (class wise). So I agree with you, there.
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Originally Posted by Cristofle
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ETA: and not to speak for Sam, but when I have made that point (that it's more comfortable for white people, especially but not entirely those who don't live in poverty, to either not vote or vote Republican), it doesn't have anything to do with the candidates being white or not. It's about their policies.
On Facebook, my friends who are most invested in HRC being elected are much, much more likely to be: a person of a color, a woman, LBGT, or some combination of those. My relatives who are the most invested in Trump are exclusively white, and 3 out of the 4 are male. Plus two high school friends, both white males, one of which I de-friended and one of which I'm only not so as not to insult his wife. Obviously people of color voting for Trump exist- I see Ben Carson, much as I wish I didn't- but statistically it's a tiny number, and it's not shown in my own life. Every single person I know voting for Trump is white, and 90% of them are male. And not to you specifically, but to them, I often will call them out on their privilege.
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That is a weak argument. If people are not going to vote, it wont have anything to do with their skin colour. If we are honestly going to debate that, then what next, people not going to vote for fear of abduction by little green men? Come on now, seriously.
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Originally Posted by Cristofle
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ETA: and I know two people who are voting for Gary Johnson, both white men (one of whom is my brother. His wife thinks he's an idiot. LOL. As does my mother). And one Jill Stein supporter. Also a white man.
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I've seen a little of Gary Johnson.... he doesn't exactly inspire confidence. He'd be dangerous that he would try to turn his tv on, and would end up nuking half of the planet without realising. Then again, he doesn't know his arse from his elbow, so his presidency will never be dull. While reading up on him, I came across this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnARyWQWnkg
It would seem that Gary has a bit of a Jekyll & Hyde thing going on. If his Hyde side takes over full time, and depending on his policies, he might just be the better candidate.
I can't say anything about Jill Stein, as I haven't really heard anything about her.