Cristofle

But either one of them served to show Jennie and Tori how utterly ridiculous they were. On top of the general "WTF were you raised in a barn who behaves like this".

stlavin95

Probably a reason why either of those two have much a career at this point.

Cristofle

I think so, honestly. Their reputation became legendary. Who wants to deal with that? Versus Jason and Luke worked somewhat more consistently.

stlavin95

No one, especially when you aren't all that talented.

Cristofle

Tori was often shockingly bad, lol. Jennie was more..one note. Very unimpressive. Honestly, Shannen could act circles around both of them.

stlavin95

She really can

Cristofle

Shannen was no innocent victim, but she also wasn't the Big Bad.

stlavin95

Couldn't she very direct when it calling things out?

Cristofle

Yes. There was a general thought that Shannen will say something to your face and Jennie will say it behind your back.

stlavin95

Prefer the first option obviously

Cristofle

Yep, me too. Say what you mean and mean what you say.

stlavin95

More real that way

Cristofle

At least everyone knows where they stand that way.

stlavin95

Exactly

Cristofle

I think Jennie got bolder later, although she still didn't sound terribly straightforward, but it took years for the media to acknowledge Jennie had been part of the problem.