rossfangirl86

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stlavin95

I think it was a good thing to create this thread haha.

Reposting I said in the Paley thread:
Yeah, I wasn't an massive fan of Baley and that's partly because how some of their fans make their friendship a lot greater than that it actually was. Also felt it was very one sided frienship with most of their scenes about Brooke and her problems and rarely about Haley and hers. Beside season 3, Paley was definitely closer than Baley in the LP years IMO.

Yeah I agree, I loved their journey and that we got an happy ending. But at the same time there are parts of that journey that annoy and I felt that dragged those parts for too long. Like Mark having Lucas going back to Brooke when that made little to no sense to me and having Peyton suddenly fall in love with a guy just becasue he could give her the family she wanted really annoyed, especially when Mark wasted 2 seasons (especially season 2) on those couples when he could spend the time slowly putting LP getting together after the cheating in S1. I wouldn't mind if LP dated other people in S2/S3 as along they didn't dimish LP to prop those couples like they did with JP/BL. It also annoyed me how long they dragged Lindsay storyline after 5x07 (that's when LL should've ended) and espeically after the wedding, when they should've spent the second half of the season rebuilding LP instead watching Lucas chasing after someone who dumped at the altar just because Mark wanted to keep on Michaela on the show as long as possible.

Yeah that's the only way I saw those couples being endgame tbh.

Slayerette89

Seconding this.

Also agree with what you guys are saying said about BH and BL/JP.

Same. But I don't know if it's just a biased Brooke anti-fan in me seeing it like that.

Plus, personally I can't stand Brooke's cutesiness and bubbliness, so that too puts me off BH scenes big time. BP scenes too.

rossfangirl86

No problem guys. I thought it was better to have a place to discuss certain topics that don't really pertain to other threads.

I'm not a BH or BP fan either. Not a Brooke fan in general so I didn't really get invested in any of her relationships. I did like her with Mouth briefly in s1 and s2 because she was different around him. Also liked her with Felix in s2 for a while. But that was pretty much it.

stlavin95

I don't think the anti-Brooke in you seeing that because I'm not ani Brooke and I see it that. Breyton in the high school years was pretty one sided as well.

Alexa

OMG you are right.

And as for the divorce SL it really did seem like Haley regretted getting married so they should have kept it that way in season 3. It would have been a much better message to say that teen marriage wont work that young.

SO MUCH WORD. The second he kissed Peyton he should have told Lindsey and then she should have left him for good. Her speech to him in 507 was a break up and everything she said made sense, so how she could accept his weird ass proposal is beyond me.

And the fact that lP hashed things out and he kissed Peyton just confuses me so much, why in the world would he go back to Lindsey after that? Peyton literally told him "I should have said yes" (and no she shouldn't have) and that wasnt good enough for him? Like, what the actual F. I like season 5 and LP because it was angsty and I love the angst but wow Lucas was an IDIOT that season.

To make matters worse Lindsey was still around after the wedding and lucas STILL wanted her back. Like that was just WAY TOO FAR. WAY WAY WAY too far. His "denial" was just out of hand at that point.

But I do think 518 really proved how messed up he was. How not over Peyton he was. He was rude to her and acting out because he was still hurt and Haley could see RIGHT through it.

Can I just say, its so nice to find fans that actually AGREE with me on these things. I knew coming to this board was a good idea.

Considering LP is my all time favorite pairing this is definitely the place for me and I can’t believe I missed out posting there all these years. MY PEOPLE .

I will say, I actually like Brooke. I hated her at first but Ive grown to appreciate her. Even her season 1, because I see through the facade she put up, but she definitely was manipulative, I can agree with that. Season 3 Brooke was the worst for me though, like there was something so fake and annoying about her that season… Even in season 4 she was being a bitch, but she didn’t seem FAKE at least, she seemed just to be a blunt bitch. Season 3 Brooke came off so fake to me. And season 1 Brooke was similar, the difference was that in season 1 I felt they were portraying her that way and people saw through it including Nathan, Haley, and Lucas. But in season 3 it was like everyone loved her, which I couldn’t stand.

i mean can we talk for a second about how awful (and weird) Brooke was in 322 with getting SO MAD at Haley for hating her ugly dress, and Haley just forgives her so easily? Like, WTF. And also kissing Pete, that was completely brushed off, but like SERIOUSLY. She cheated on Lucas for no good reason at all, and yet, PEYTON KISSING HIM is made into this huge deal? So annoying.

Slayerette89

S5 is maybe hard to discuss with non-LP fans because they use it as an opportunity to bash LP? Not that I would blame anyone for that. I probably can’t discuss s3 BL (or any BL) without bashing. Hell, I probably come off harsher on NH than I intend to be, though I don't care about them as a couple either way. Anyway, I agree with a lot of the points in this thread, but especially this
beautifully sums it up for me.


On an LP-unrelated note, this
also beautifully sums up why I prefer s1 and 4 Brooke to s3 Brooke. In s3, it’s like they brought back her s1 character but preserved the saintly glow they randomly gave her in s2.
That is one of my pet peeves about s3 Brooke. Imo the writers either wrote that for temporary drama and comedy or it was another indication how deeply insecure Brooke is. I could buy her being overdefensive about her taste because she feels deep down that she’s tasteless (shallow, stupid, etc… ). Haley unwittingly implying her taste sucks probably genuinely hurt her. But she still should not have been so self-centered in that whole situation in the first place. It’s common sense to go with what your friend likes rather than what you like if you’re designing her wedding dress. I don’t blame her for not guessing exactly what might be Haley’s cup of tea, but she shouldn’t have made it all about herself.

Summer Falls

Great idea hun .. lol i like this everyone can say what they want to say

stlavin95

Yeah, LL proposal made no sense to me whatsoever and the only purpose for it IMO was so that Mark could have big shocker moment in 5x12. They should've revealed the Comet quote in the episode before wedding (or even earlier) and have Lucas ended it before they got to the atlar. I never saw the point of Lucas chasing after Lindsay (& all those BL scenes) except for Mark's brillant cliffhanger at the end of 5x18. He should've instead spent the time building LP back up and not worried about the cliffhanger.

The second he cheated on Lindsay (and proved that he didn't love her enough), he should have be man enough to end that relationship because Lindsay & Peyton deserved that from him. It sucks that Lucas scared about hurting Lindsay but it ended he hurting her 10 times more by he decided to stay with and marrying her just because he didn't want to admit he was still in love with Peyton and thought that him and Lindsay would get married make those feelings disappear. Even if Lindsay had yes at atlar, I still seeing LL getting divorced simply because his heart wasn't in it, which again would've hurt Lindsay a lot more than Lucas simply breaking up with her at end of 5.07.

That's something that bothered as well, like Lucas heard something from Peyton he wanted to hear from her for 3 years (that she wanted to be with him forever) yet he scared she might hurt again. Mark definitely took Lucas's fear of rejection from Peyton too far in S5 IMO. Something else that bothered me is that Lucas could get past Lindsay dumping him at the atlar, embrassing him in front all his family and friends yet he couldn't get past Peyton telling she wanted to wait one year and then she would marry him. I love Lucas but he was such an oblivious idiot in S5 (especially post 5.07).

I like Brooke and all but it annoys she that got away with some (if not most) of the crappy things just because LP cheated on her in S1. I don't see any other character get away with the things she did on the show (especially from the fans), maybe with the exception with Nathan.

Summer Falls

Lol well here the thing i brooke did do bad things but i think when it happened to her she felt hurt ( as you do) i think peyton doing it was wrong but tbh after brooke sleeping with nathan oh well but i think brooke thought she found a good guy aka lucas so she was hurt .

But sometimes the fight between B/P went to far and it wasnt needed i also think its cause they were technically teenagers so they do and say stupid things .

And to the Lucas thing .. here the thing im different to everyone i loved everyone but Lucas and sometimes Peyton& now hayler did bore me at times .. exspecailly Lucas they really wrote him to be a douch he got very boring later on i think he really loss his appeal on the show and nathan became more popular

Alexa

The thing is though that you cant even bash LP in season 5 because the truth of the matter is that Lucas was in DENIAL that season. Like, he only dated Lindsey to hide from his feelings for Peyton and there are so many things that back up that theory. At least in season 5 we got to see his feelings for Peyton still exist.

Where as in seasons 2/3 they could argue that Lucas didnt have feelings for Peyton at the time.

Almost every single OTH episode revolved around LP in some form. Something to show that Mark still loved them. Even in season 2 we got references to their relationship constantly. Small references, but they were there, like when Felix asked about Lucas/Brooke and then he was like "Or was it Peyton?" Or when Lucas said "the last time I kissed Peyton it didn't end well either" or the Peyton box that Brooke found. I mean, it never 100% disappeared.

The brooke/haley wedding dress thing was just weird writing for me, like almost OOC from Brooke. She was a freaking designer, she had to know the dress was fugly and there was no explanation later for why she got so upset about it.

The BL scenes in season 5 did not bother me IN THE SLIGHTEST. Like, at all. I actually was happy for their fans to get scenes because had it been reversed and they stuck with BL I'd want LP to at least get friendship scenes. But the way BL ended in season 6 was horrid. They rarely interacted and if i remember right their last scene was in 623 and it was about Julian. Like they didnt even get a goodbye scene. How awful for their ship to end that way.

HOWEVER the "cliffhanger" with Brooke being added was just utterly ridiculous like, never in a million years did anyone thing that Lucas would have proposed to Brooke? Or even Lindsey for that matter. The "cliffhanger" should have simply just been him calling Peyton and asking her to get married, that would have been good enough for most fans.

Well, simple explanation for that is that Lindsey didnt hurt him as much because he didnt love her as much.

He loved Peyton so much that she hurt him so bad when she said no, and it was too hard to forgive her for that. I think he genuinely was scared she was going to hurt him again.

Nathan was the most boring character everrrr i dont understand the love for that dude at all. In season 1 he was interesting but after that zzzzz. James was good looking at that was about the only good quality he had iMO. but I'm a big nathan hater.

stlavin95

^ I wouldn't even say he was in denial in season 5 because every time he got asked whether he was still in love with Peyton, he just ran to Lindsay or said nothing whatsoever. He just took the easy way out and spent most of the season trying to convince himself otherwise. I definitely saw hints that Lucas still had feelings in seasons 2/3/4 but those hints were pretty subtle.

The BL scenes in season 5 didn't bother me either but the only purpose of those scenes in post strike episodes was for the proposal cliffhanger. Honestly, the only purpose of the cliffhanger was to get all the shippers group to keep watching in season 6. Alexa, what would have you done differently in season 5 when it came to LP?

That's true but that doesn't mean I find it any less annoying. Nathan was probably the second most male boring character, second to only Jake. James was also good at basketball haha.

Summer Falls

See thats sad that brooke and lucas didnt get much scenes i stopped watching after season 6 looks like they really did a number on brookes character.. but i did adore her friendship with Lucas but sometimws they make lucas to clingy or just boring

stlavin95

^ When was Lucas clingy to when it came to BL?

Slayerette89

I think a big portion of the fandom is with you on that one. At least I get the impression Brooke and (to a slightly lesser extent) Nathan are fandom faves. (As individual characters, or course. Ship-wise, it’s NH.) Peyton and Lucas are more hated. Most ppl seem neutral on Haley.

Lol. Nathan bores me too and I don't get what ppl see in him either. I mean, I understand their explanations logically as you two probably do as well when/if you read what his fans say, but I don't feel that way about him at all. Unfortunately, he isn't even my cup of tea physically, so I can't even enjoy just looking at him (though I don't mean to imply anything bad about his appearance of course). But I think I’d take him over St.Jake if I had to choose.

Between Brooke and Jake I’d personally have difficulty choosing because they both not just bore me but also get on my nerves a lot. Jake primarily by ruining Peyton's scenes and being portrayed as an angel in comparison to the "evil" Nikki, Brooke in general.