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Old 05-12-2018, 04:14 PM
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2x22 "Chapter Thirty-Five: Brave New World" Discussion Thread {May 16, 2018}.

Chapter Thirty-Five: Brave New World


With Fred trailing in the polls, Archie steps in to lend a hand in his dad's mayoral campaign. Veronica stays one step ahead after uncovering Hiram's latest scheme. Elsewhere, Cheryl finalizes her emancipation from her mother, while FP makes a surprising announcement to Jughead and the Serpents. Finally, Betty confronts her darkest demons.

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Old 05-13-2018, 10:45 AM
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Thank you for this! Looking foreward to this episode! Can't believe it's the season finale!
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Yeah I can't believe it either. And that it's on my birthday.
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Old 05-13-2018, 08:06 PM
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No problem. I can' t believe the season is ending.
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Season finale.

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Old 05-16-2018, 12:08 AM
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Tomorrow (or today depending on the time zone)!! Can't wait!! Although it means I'm gonna have to wait several months to see how it continues...
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I got spoiled a little on Tumblr.

Can't wait to watch! (Tomorrow)
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The episode was good but wasn't as exciting as previous ones.
I'm glad to know Fangs isn't dead.
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:00 AM
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Even at Jugheads fake funeral Archie is wearing a letterman’s jacket. Yay Fangs is alive! Oh Hiram you need to GTFO of Riverdale. The Serpents are over. Love seeing Betty and Jug is the hospital bed. Glad for some normalish scenes. Veronica is running Dylan McKay’s campaign . I like seeing Veronica helping out. Who is left to be student body president? I am guessing it won’t be Midge.

When did all the kids become detectives? Yay Cheryl is free! Hiram what are you doing over there? And those are some giant barrels.

Alice is losing it. I really don’t blame her. Another Bughead scene. I love you . Maybe they will make it through the episode without breaking up.

Fred and Betty – I love that she is on the apology tour, but then again she really isn’t repsonisble.

Moose and Kevin… What? I thought the writers forgot about her. Bathroom hug. Whoa finally they are making out. About time.

Ethel for president? I wonder if that means she will get some scenes.

Yay Sweet Pea. Yes I know I am the only one who is excited .

Daddykins :lol;. I love Veronica. She is throwing down with Hiram and I live for it. I wish her mother would grow a backbone.

Nice seeing A/B/V having a scene. I wouldn’t go back to school either.

Jebus – FP back to the bottle. Ten steps forward and yada, yada, yada. Moving to Toledo?

Wow Polly, I didn’t think she would be around. Polly wants to forgive Hal? What was she drinking at the farm?

Hermione and Veronica – Why is she using her daughter like that. What is the white worm? Veronica lawyers up. Excellent. I mean I am assuming she is going to get grounded for this…

Nana Rose would be a better guardian than her mother. Cheryl bust out the bow and arrow. It’s all over snakes. All I can hear is Indiana Jones screaming I hate snakes.

The Serpents are fleeing (slithering) away. Everyone is at Freds. That’s a lot of serpent jackets. Where they laying around ? Special ordered? Is this a deleted scene that will come out?

A jughead/v scene.. Good to see.

Veronica and Hiram. He’s cutting her off. She is giving it up for a diner.
Another Bughead scene? Wow. Thank you writers. Betty thinks she is evil. These two . Half way through the episode and no one has broken up yet. .

Betty is visiting Hal. What a mind fork. You have no power over me.

Archie won the presidency? Didn’t he drop out? Yay the snakes are staying! FP is saying goodbye? What no Skeet. You better not be leaving. Jughead is the serpent king. Cheryl doesn’t have to do a Serpent dance? The incitation policies of this game are very fluid.

Fred isn’t the mayor? Hermione wants to shake hands… Archie wants to make his bones.

Veronica is opening a speakeasy? What like a bar? I am not sure FP should be managing a bar…

You promised me a brothel? Did I hear that right? Couldn’t Penelope ask for something better? Polly clearly is part of a cult.

Juhead and Betty in bed… Another scene. Serpent King and Serpent Queen. Betty is joining the Serpents. Everyone is joining the Serpents.

School assembly. Josie appears to sing. Apparently she isn’t allowed to have other kinds of scenes. Hiram…. Archie is under arrest… I guess Ethel might get to be president after all.
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Even at Jugheads fake funeral Archie is wearing a letterman’s jacket.
He must be emotionally attached to it.


More boring ep than last week’s but still relatively watchable.

FP and (especially) Jughead, I like you, but pls stop talking in that whispery, melodramatic voice. It’s annoying.

“Because we still need your brain.” You sure do need a brain, Archie, we can agree on that.

Cheryl! Can she and Toni have their own show? Josie and Kevin can come too. And Alice. Alice is delightful.

Kevin/Moose development. I’m fine with that, tho I preferred him with Joaquin. But watch them continue to get 0.1 seconds of screentime next season.

Reggie talking about himself in the third person. I like when charas do that. Are he and Josie together now or? Also, first everybody joined the school president (is that what the vote is for?) race, now everybody is dropping out. Whatever.

“This is how it ends, not with a whimper but…” is such a Jughead thing to quote.

Beronica hug. Good.

Didn’t the last year’s finale have a very similar sl for Jughead and FP? Are they gonna plan on moving at the end of every season now?

Show, pls stop trying to offer social/political commentary. Or actually commit to it and do it properly.

Can we get rid of Hiram and go back to Veronica/Hermione next season?

Can we also get rid of Archie? I know we can’t, but it would be nice if we could. Jug, Veronica and Betty scenes would be so much more fun without him.

Cheryl to the rescue! But seriously Jughead, it’s ok to talk in a normal voice.

Archie being heroic at the end of the season is also becoming a tradition it seems. Yet it doesn’t make him any less boring, at least not to me.

Choni need way more screentime.

Is “You/we/etc. have darkness” a meme yet? It should be.

Of course Archie has to be the president.

How much more cool would it have been if Toni had become the Serpents leader? No offense to Jughead. Also, while I love Serpent Cheryl, are they now an afterschool club that every bored Riverdale highschool student can join?

Ok, I do see potential for Hiram to be interesting when he’s away from Archie and joining forces with other villain folks of Riverdale. I could get behind this Team Evil.

Lol, Polly is in a cult now?

No thanks to Serpent Betty.

I love Jughead’s VOs. He writes exactly how a pretentious teen would. He talks like that too.

What an exciting cliffhanger! *yawns*
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1. IF you realize this show resides in a Fantasyland type of Universe and it's not the real world, the show works and is quite good.

2. I mentioned before how much I love what they're doing with Cheryl and Betty... cousins could share a room in a mental institution given what they have been through. What I love is that they are fighting back with strength and power. Cheryl got divorced from her rotten mother, didn't forget about her Grandmother, she has Toni for a love interest and has joined the Serpents. Perfect! Cheryl has the power, she fought through the pain and suffering and came out on top. Betty could have gone into fetal position and given up on life, thinking she was going to become her father. Nope. She leaned on Jughead and her friends, faced her father and took back the power. She's going to be okay. I really like how TPTB have shown Cheryl and Betty as strong girls fighting back and making it to the top of the mountain.

3. Every Bughead scene was so adorable. I love their emotional/romantic connection. The ILYs were adorable. Their connection is deep, natural and compelling. I love these two and I'm glad they are standing strong and together at the end of the finale. No worries about them during the break before season 3.

4. Betty going around trying to say she is sorry for her father was so sad. The best scene was the one between Betty and the father of the boy she grew up next door to... Fred. It was such a moving scene.

5. Cheryl divorced her mother! Yes! Now we need a nice amount of Cheryl and Toni scenes in season 3.

6. Kevin and Moose... I knew this was Kevin's endgame pairing. Poor Moose mourning Midge. He really did care about her but it was obvious his strongest feelings were always with Kevin even if he tried to hide it. Glad these two look to be getting together.

7. Are Josie and Reggie a couple now? They sort of looked like it. Reggie talking about himself in the third person was funny. Glad Josie is getting back into singing again. Singing is her art, her passion.

8. The moment Cheryl became a Serpent was the best part of the episode for me. I loved it. You could feel how free Cheryl felt.

9. I love the North and South Side coming together. I love it.

10. Veronica going up against her father and buying the diner was brilliant. So sweet of her to want FP to manage the entertainment in the basement with both the North and South Side together. This is going to be awesome.

11. Oh Archie... Archie... I understand your need to go over to Hiram's and threaten him but... it was Hiram, Archie. No, just no. He's way too powerful and can squash you like a bug. Of course he was going to get back at Archie and set him up for murder which is about as bad as it gets. The thing is Archie suffered from PTSD from the moment Fred was first shot by Hal. He was trying to deal and played a dangerous game getting involved with the head of the Mafia. In a way it is realistic this would happen to Archie. He did know Andre killed that Cassidy. He was seconds away from seeing it. He was close to a lot of dangerous situations. Life throws you Karma... Archie's "punishment" for flirting with the wrong crowd is this set up by Hiram. It is actually quite realistic. No doubt he'll skate eventually since the one attorney in town will be effective. Josie's mom will come to the rescue.

12. Betty going to visit her father was right out of The Silence of the Lambs with Betty as Clarice & Hal as Hannibal. Good stuff. Lili acted the heck out of that scene as Betty slowly walked away determined.

13. Kind of shocked Fred lost the election. But you can tell Hermione doesn't really want it. I would love to see them working together side by side actually.

14. Alice was definitely going crazy in that scene outside with the neighbors/reporters. Poor Alice. She doesn't seem totally there and I hope Betty keeps an eye on her.

15. Polly is clearly involved in a cult on that farm. She looked so devious almost (aka brainwashed) asking her mom to welcome some, no doubt, weirda$$ cult leader into their home in order for him to brainwash her mother. I think this is going to be a significant storyline in season 3. I really hope Betty prevents her mom from getting sucked in and she gets her stupid, impressionable sister away from the cult. Those poor babies! Get them away immediately! The irony is Betty doesn't have true darkness... we are seeing that POLLY is the one that is way more vulnerable and weak, and has already turned to darkness. Scary situation.

16. Hal was the Black Hood but his serial killer journey started as a young child when his family influenced him and not in a good way. A case can be made that Hal is nuts and not fully there for making the proper decisions. On the other hand, Hiram IS the true serial killer, 100% psychologically aware of what he has been doing all this time. Hiram is clearly the most dangerous criminal by far and of course he now has his secret, disgusting criminal family, prostitute mother who is deranged and emotionally abusive, drug dealers, sheriff, other piles of trash doing his dirty work for him. Scary stuff.

17. Hermione is completely over Hiram and understands what Veronica says is true... he would risk her life in order to get what he desires. She knows this. I hope Hermione leaves him.

18. So does Ethel win the election now that Archie is in prison?

19. Fred and Hermione romance again in the future? Those looks exchanged were interesting.

20. Love how Skeet says boy. It's hot, lol.

21. What happened to Chic? Did Hal murder him or is he still on the loose?

22. Will Betty become the Serpent Queen (that almost seemed like an adorable marriage proposal too)?

23. Glad Fangs is alive.

24. We found out lame Tall Boy was the fake black hood. Good riddance. Glad this mystery was cleared up and I hope we never have to hear the two words Black Hood ever again, lol.

25. Still love Jug's VOs.

26. I smiled seeing the North and Side Side being there for each other. It was great evolution. One of the best parts of the episode and I can't wait to see everyone interact next season.

Season 2 had it's bad moments but overall this finale was great, tied up a bunch of things, gave us some concern for next season (Hiram's plans, Polly the brainwashed idiot, Archie in prison) and I look forward to this Fantasyland once again in season 3!
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I’m confused. Did Penelope warn Cheryl about the raid on the White Wyrm because she was genuinely concerned about her?
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Great episode. Fang's alive!! Yay!!!

Finally Kevin and Moose!!

I wonder how long until Betty goes to see her father again

Really enjoyed Veronica cutting ties with her father. I wonder if that'll last during next season

I was hoping Fred would win. Now I hope Hermione to be a good mayor and not let Hiram be in control, but we all now that's not gonna happen

I wonder if that guy Polly was talking about end up being Charles. It would be too much of a coincidence, though

Glad to see everyone supporting the Serpents and with the jackets. That was great

Well played Hiram. I was hoping he would have been taken down by now. In the end he went unpunished. I'm really starting to hate that guy

Archie is going to prison now, wow. Can't say I'm sorry. That's what he gets for playing with fire this whole season
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I’m confused. Did Penelope warn Cheryl about the raid on the White Wyrm because she was genuinely concerned about her?
Very good question. It seems so. I wonder if being emotional over Cheryl getting rid of her legally as a parent allowed her to show some caring. Up until this point she never showed an ounce of concern for Cheryl, It was mental abuse to torture instead. It was weird but I can't think of any other reason why she'd warn Cheryl.
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