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Key to Codes that might be used
"Foiler" = Fake Spoiler
"ME" = Mutant Enemy, the production company of Angel
"AtS" = Angel the Series
"AI" = Angel Investigations
"FG" = Fang Gang (Angel/Wesley/Gunn/Fred/Lorne)
"MoG" = "Ministers of Grace". A term from "Hamlet" used to describe the Fang Gang.
"WR&H" or "W&H" = Wolfram and Hart.
"DB" = David Boreanaz (Angel/us)
"AD" = Alexis Denisof (Wesley)
"JAR" = J. August Richards (Charles Gunn)
"AA" = Amy Acker (Fred)
"AH" = Andy Hallet (Lorne)
"JM" = James Marsters (Spike)
"CC" = Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia Chase)
"VK" = Vincent Kartheiser (Connor)
"SR" = Stephanie Romanov (Lilah)
"JB" = Julie Benz (Darla)

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Episode 5.09
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Mythical Boards: Episode 9

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When Harmony wakes up next to a dead man with vampire bites in his neck, she’s afraid she lost her head and killed him… but she can’t remember doing it.

Harmony bustles into work and tries to make small talk with the other Wolfram and Hart assistants, but the women — Brittany, Charlotte, and Tamika — ignore her. Then another assistant, Danny, gets upset when Harmony takes his oatmeal out of a microwave to warm Angel’s morning cup of blood. Later Harmony delivers the mug to Angel and says she’s taken care of the catering for an upcoming meeting between two feuding demon clans which Wolfram and Hart is hosting the next day. Angel ignores her, however, and she turns her attention to Rudy, the agency’s blood tester, who does a quick check for human blood in her veins and pronounces her clean. Finally, after Rudy leaves, a demon named Eli goes in to see Angel, and Harmony is shocked when Angel, unhappy with Eli’s extracurricular activities, slices his head off. A bit later, as maintenance men clean up, Spike announces that since he’s corporeal again, he’s leaving town to find Buffy. Since he and Harmony made love recently, she hopes for a more personal good-bye, but Spike just tells her to “stay simple,” and leaves. A few minutes later Angel, Fred, Gunn, Wes, and Lorne sit down to plan the demon conference. Gunn explains that it was arranged by a demon-rights activist named Tobias Dupree, who’s acting as a liaison between the warring clans. After Fred, Gunn, and Lorne explain their preparations, Harmony chimes in with some research she’s done on the clans’ customs, but the others ignore her and just ask her to fetch lunch. Later, at lunch with the other assistants, Harmony brags that Angel is grooming her for bigger and better things. Then Angel summons Harmony, and when she meets him in the lobby he scolds her for ordering a live camel as the main dish for the big demon banquet. Harmony says camel is a demon delicacy, but Angel orders her to get rid of it, and Harmony bursts into tears, convinced that Angel hates her. After Angel leaves, Fred comforts Harmony, and Harmony suggests they get a drink together after work. Later, at a bar, Harmony complains that she’ll never be like Fred, who’s a professional success and has two hot men — Wes and Knox — after her. Fred insists that Harmony could interest a nice man too, and urges her to talk to a good-looking guy at the end of the bar. Finally Harmony does introduce herself… and in the morning she wakes up with the man in her bed, naked and dead, with two fang bites in his neck.

Harmony wraps the body in a laundry bag and hauls it to a dumpster. Later, when she arrives at work, she tries to act nonchalant, and dodges Rudy so he can’t administer another blood test. Angel scolds her for not having his mug of blood ready, but when she goes to get it, she can’t help taking a long, nervous gulp from the Thermos herself. Later she gets even more nervous when Angel learns the police found a vampire-killed body at the city dump. Just when Harmony thinks it can’t get any worse, she learns that the dead man was Tobias, the demon liaison who was supposed to referee the big conference. A bit later Angel consults the demon leaders, who agree to go through with conference but ask Angel to find Tobias’ killer. A few minutes later Harmony goes to the lab and watches Fred perform an autopsy on Tobias. Finally, however, she can’t take it any more and backs out. As she’s leaving, she registers a remark Fred made about Tobias having been bitten on the right side… and Harmony realizes that she always bites people on their left, so she didn’t do it. Just then, however, Rudy sticks a needle into Harmony, and she registers positive for human blood.

Before Rudy can blow the whistle, Harmony knocks him out and locks him in a closet. When Lorne passes by, Harmony knocks him out and stuffs him in, too. Then Harmony returns to the lab and confesses to Fred that she doesn’t remember anything between talking to the man in the bar and waking up next to his body. She also insists that because he was bitten on the right side, she couldn’t have done it. Fred suggests they consult Angel, but Harmony, remembering how Eli lost his head, begs Fred not to call him. Fred insists, however, so Harmony adds her to the closet with Lorne and Rudy. Still wondering how human blood got into her veins, Harmony heads back to the break area to check her Thermos. As she passes the lobby, she sees Angel and Gunn welcoming the demon, who presses Angel about Tobias’ killer. Angel asks Harmony to check on the autopsy, but as soon as Harmony gets free she dashes to the break area, where she accuses Danny of adding human blood to her Thermos. He says he didn’t do it, but Harmony morphs into vamp face and accuses Danny of murdering Tobias and putting him in her bed. Danny denies it, but Tamika hits him with a blender and he slumps to the floor. When Harmony asks why Tamika hit Danny, she says she wanted to make it look like Harmony hit him… and Harmony realizes that Tamika killed Tobias.

Harmony asks Tamika who she really is, and Tamkia reminds her that they used to sit together in the steno pool, but while Harmony was promoted to Angel’s assistant after only five weeks, Tamika slaved away there for five years and is jealous of Harmony’s quick success. Tamika says it will end, however, when Angel learns what Harmony did to Danny. Harmony says she has an advantage over Tamika, and then morphs into vamp face. Then Tamika does the same, and the fight is on. As the women battle around the break room, they both grab pairs of chopsticks and trade parries. Then, a few moments later, the women crash through the wall of the conference room into the demon summit, where Harmony stakes Tamika with a chopstick. When Tamika dusts, the bloodthirsty demons are thrilled, accepting her death as revenge for Tobias’ murder. Later, after Harmony frees the closet hostages, she apologies to Angel and the others for not telling them what was going on. Afraid she’ll be fired, she offers to clean out her desk, but Angel just asks her to bring some coffee to the demon guests. That night Harmony returns to the bar to drown her sorrows, and Spike shows up, saying he couldn’t go back to Buffy because then his big gesture of giving up his life for her wouldn’t matter. Harmony says she knows what it’s like not to matter, but Spike reminds her that she did matter to Tamika, who was obsessed with her. Harmony finally accepts that as sort of an honor.

*From Amy's Casting Couch: Angel: Did we know that all employees of Wolfram and Hart are required to undergo random blood tests? We do now! Also, there are some new demon species introduced, including the all-female Vinji and their counterparts the Sahrvin. All this and more in episode 5.09.

*From Spoiler Slayer: ATS: More On Nine

Just a bit more info came out on Episode Nine. Nothing that explains why Harmony is calling herself Crystal these days, but it does explain why she's in trouble.
Episode Nine

The previously mentioned confab that Angel and Gunn were holding between two demon tribes, is obviously an attempt to keep them from going to war over each other. Apparently one of the tribe members was killed, and the other tribe is demanding a blood sacrifice.

Crystal/Harmony was framed, first by having Angel's morning pigs blood swapped out with some of the human variety. Then, the guy that picked her up in the bar, is found dead in her bed the next day.

*From Spoiler Slayer: ATS: Episode Nine Info

I've just gotten some information about Episode Nine of 'Angel', though some of it is a little confusing. So forgive me if some of the info is spotty or doesn't make a lot of sense, not much to work with at this point.

Angel: Episode Nine

The episode itself seems to pretty well center around Harmony and the other office assistants. The episode focuses on her day to day at Wolfram and Hart. One of the early scenes has her getting Angel his morning cup of blood, and we get a peek at the employee break room. Several minor characters are introduced, Charlotte, Brittany, and Tamika among others. The scene has the group discussing office gossip, such as who Fred may be involved with. There seems to be a good bit of discussion about if she's hooked up with Knox or someone else. (more than like Gunn, based on the references, as it insinuates a past relationship and it's not Wesley)

Harmony is a bit of an outsider, and that also seems to be a theme in the episode. She doesn't fit in with the office staff, and there is also a bit where she goes out to a bar with Fred (who seems eager to leave as soon as she can). There is also seems to be some kind of drug testing going on (at least one character references it early on, and it seems that most of the staff is having their blood tested on a random basis).

Near the end of the episode, it's revealed that there has been some backstabbing going on behind the scenes. We find what would seem to be a new character, Crystal, confronting Lorne's assistant Van about something. From the info I have, it's obvious that Crystal is Harmony. She's been framed by someone and thinks that it's Van. Suddenly, Van is knocked out by someone entering from off-screen. It's Tamika, and she's after Crystal/Harmony's job. She's not happy that Crystal/Harmony got chosen to be Angel's assistant over some more experienced workers, like herself. A fight begins between the two, but Crystal/Harmony thinks she has the upperhand because she's a vampire. Until it turns out that Tamika is as well. An extensive fight follows.

The only other tidbit I could gather, is that Angel and Gunn seem to be involved in some kind of negotiation between two demon tribes. (Information courtesy of 'T')

*From AICN: Hints On ANGEL 5.9!!
I am – Hercules!!

Casting pages emerged Tuesday for “Angel” 5.9, which seems to focus quite a bit on vampire secretary Harmony Kendall as she navigates the mundanely macabre corridors of Wolfram & Hart. One senses all the Team Angel regulars might be reduced to supporting players in this installment. Kind of like “The Zeppo.” Actually more like “The Lower Decks.” But way funnier. A few promising details:

* Harm’s fellow secretaries gossip about Winifred’s love life – whether she might be involved with Charles, Wesley or Knox.
* A bit later, Harmony and Winifred will find themselves out drinking and checking out the dudes.
* Harmony will greet a demon accountant arriving to take a meeting with Angel and Charles.
* Harmony will take a call from Lilah Morgan’s mom.
* We’ll learn that Harmony is by no means unique among the firm’s underlings.
* A comically epic breakroom catfight mostly involving guest stars and eating utensils will transpire.

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http://www.voy.com/14810/133041231.html: Author: Eddy
Subject: new episode 10 spoilers from mythical boards http://www.mythical-boards.com/showt...=&threadid=332

First some scoopage from Wendy

OK, here's the scoopage.
In episode 10, Spike is in a strip club when someone named Sean comes up to him and tries to get him to take on the role of champion, helping the helpless. I had a few thoughts when I learned this.

1. It sounded just like Doyle.
2. There were no casting sides for this character, and if I hadn't known that Glenn Quinn was dead, I would have assumed it was GQ playing the role.

But it ends up that there may be bigger fish to fry, so to speak. According to a poster on Buffistas (thanks for the alert, K!), Lindsey is coming back to Angel, "but you can call him Sean."

So it looks like Christian Kane fans may get to see him in Episode 10 of Angel!

I'm just putting together the pieces. I have no firm confirmation of anything other than that there is a character named Sean in episode 10.

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And now the episode 10 summary

Episode 10

While Spike is talked into taking up the good-deeds business, Eve looses a soul-sucking parasite on Angel, who then suffers disturbing, feverish hallucinations as he sleeps.

As he did a few weeks ago, Angel watches Spike drink from the Cup of Perpetual Torment. This time the cup is real, and Spike is bathed in heavenly light while Angel’s face begins to melt off. Meanwhile, at a strip bar, Spike is approached by a man named Sean, who has several rune-like tattoos, and who seems to know everything about Spike. Sean asks Spike if he received any interesting mail lately, and Spike realizes Sean must be the one who brought his spirit back from the Hellmouth and sent him the package that made him corporeal again. Back at Wolfram and Hart, Wesley and Gunn consult Angel about an evil warlock they want to go after, but Angel says he’s tired of such problems. At the bar Sean explains that he’s been having searing visions of people in trouble who need a champion, but Spike says that’s Angel’s business. Sean says, however, that Angel has sold out to Wolfram and Hart, so someone new needs to take over his good deeds. Spike is reluctant, but Sean says he just had a vision… and a few moments later Spike is in an alley saving a cute young woman from a nasty vampire. After Spike dusts the vampire and the woman leaves, Sean congratulates him and says he’s looking forward to next time. Spike says there won’t be a next time, but then Sean compares him to Angel, which gets Spike’s attention. Meanwhile, as Gunn, Wes, and Fred argue about how to deter various evil-doers, Angel says they should just kill them all. Gunn asks if he’s feeling all right, and when Angel says he’s tired, Wesley escorts Angel back to his suite. As Wes helps Angel into bed, he pulls out a stake and drives it through Angel’s heart… and then Angel wakes up, realizes it was just a nightmare, and crashes back into bed.

A bit later Spike thwarts another vampire attack, and Sean says the odd feeling he has is valor. Spike is still skeptical, but can’t help being intrigued. Back at Wolfram and Hart, Eve delivers a rune-covered stone to Wes and asks him to figure out what it is as soon as possible. Harmony says Wesley should tell Angel about the relic, but Wes says they should let Angel rest. Meanwhile Fred goes to Angel’s suite, and he’s suddenly transported to her lab, where she slices him open, pulls out all his organs, then shouts an echoing “hello” into his bottomless body cavity to prove how empty he is. Then we see that it’s just another nightmare, as Angel tosses and turns in his bed. A bit later, as Wes and Harmony inspect the relic, Gunn brings them a newspaper account of a vampire-killing vigilante… whom they recognize as Spike. Meanwhile Sean takes Spike to a basement apartment, which he says is Spike’s new home. About the same time, Angel wakes up and sees Spike and Buffy making love on a couch across the room. Then Angel wakes from this dream too, shakes it off, gets dressed, and goes downstairs. When Angel gets to his office, however, it’s set up like a movie theater, and Wes, Gunn, Fred, Loren, and Harmony sit eating popcorn while Armageddon plays out outside a large picture window. Angel is shocked and says he must go out to help people, but Wes says Spike is handling it. Then, when Angel looks down at his shirt, there’s a large maroon stain spreading on it. Then we see Angel, really still in bed and still dreaming, with a large maroon parasite sucking at his chest.

A bit later Angel’s friends throw a party for Spike, who has single-handedly ended Armageddon and turned the world into a beautiful, happy place. As the Blue Fairy grants Spike’s wish to be a real boy again, Angel, dressed in a button-down shirt and clip-on tie, wheels a mail cart away… while the real Angel is still in bed, with the parasite still sucking at his chest. A bit later Wesley and Gunn find Spike at his new apartment, wave the newspaper story, and declare that if Spike wants to do good, he should come work with them at Wolfram and Hart. Spike realizes this invitation couldn’t be coming from Angel, so he turns them down. Meanwhile Eve and Sean cavort seductively in her bed, and we learn that it was Eve’s plan all along to distract Spike while they finish some other “project.” Then, finally, Eve asks if Sean is going to give her what she wants, and he hands her a small, rune-covered box. About the same time Wes and Gun return to Wolfram and Hart and tell Fred they had no luck luring Spike back. Fred suggests they consult Angel, and then they all realize that none of them have seen Angel today. Fred alerts Harmony, who tries to call Angel on the phone. As it rings in his room, he hears a piano playing and finds Lorne there, tickling the ivories. Downstairs Fred decides to go check on Angel, but runs into Eve, who asks how the rune deciphering is going. Back upstairs Angel asks Lorne to read his aura, but when Angel tries to sing, nothing comes out. Finally he looks down and sees the parasite on his shirt, and as he tries to rip it off, he wakes for real with his hands around the creature on his chest. Finally Angel squeezes the parasite to death, but then Eve pulls an even bigger parasite out of a box.

As the parasite crawls up Angel’s body, Eve leaves. Just before the parasite can latch on to Angel, he throws it off and falls out of bed. The parasite waits to strike again. Meanwhile Sean returns to Spike’s apartment, where he has a painful vision that he says will interest Spike. Back in Angel’s suite, Angel reaches for his phone, but as he dials, the parasite latches onto him. As it digs its fangs in, Angel finds himself in the middle of a sunny field. His friends approach and say he can stay as long as he wants… if he just stops caring. Just as Angel starts to look convinced, the others start to scream. At that moment in the real world, Spike pulls the parasite off Angel’s chest and splatters it against a wall. A bit later Fred gives Angel a cup of blood to revive him, and he recounts the horrible hallucinations he suffered when the parasite was on him. Wes explains that the parasite toxin would have left Angel in a permanent vegetative state if Spike hadn’t intervened when he did. Angel asks where the parasite came from, but then he remembers that Eve brought it. She says that was just another hallucination, but Angel disagrees and then, after wondering why the Senior Partners would try to kill him after so recently recruiting him, he realizes Eve must have been acting on her own. Angel says the Senior Partners won’t be happy to hear that, and that she just made herself expendable. Then she asks if he’s sure about that, warns him to look a few more moves ahead, and walks out.

*From Spoiler Slayer: ATS: Episode 10 Info

Limited info has come out for Episode Ten. At the Angel's Soul Spoiler Board, Denmaroca has also posted.

Denmaroca

There's a scene set in a magical kingdom of sorts where the blue fairy with her magical CGI pixie dust gives Spike what he's apparently always wanted and makes him a real boy. (Some talk on the boards as to whether this is Spike's dream or Angel's nightmare.)

There's two scenes of Spike rescuing people being attacked by vampires. One recaps Angel's first such fight in City of.., right down to the double ratchet stakes up the sleeves staking and Spike walking away saying who he is doesn't matter. Then he turns saying what the hell and introduces himself with a handshake. The couple he rescues say they have to go to dinner. Spike thinks he's being invited (or he invites himself), but they demur - though they say 'thanks anyway'.

The third has him rescuing a girl, who he rips off for being stupid enough to walk through a dark alley alone at night.

*From AICN:ANGEL 5.10 Tidbits!!
I am – Hercules!!

Pages from “Angel” 5.10 - the follow up to the episodes centered around the firm’s Halloween party (5.5), ex-wrestler mailroom clerk Numero Cinco (5.6), Wes’ watcher dad (5.7), the crazed Wolfram employees (5.8), and Harmony Kendall (5.9) - began circulating to the casting agents on Monday. Here’s what little we gather:

* Spike will seem to be following in Angel’s footsteps somehow, re-enacting Angel-ic rescues, including one involving evil vampires we might remember from 1.1.

* With minimal effort, Spike will rescue a cute twentysomething named Lana from another vampire, then mock her stupidity.

* The Blue Fairy from Pinnocchio will somehow appear to Spike and the rest of Team Angel (sans Angel himself), and offer to reward Spike’s good deeds by transforming the gleeful blonde vampire “into a real boy.”

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http://www.voy.com/14810/133038707.html: As previously reported by Filmjerk, there is a mentally disturbed young woman named Dana who has been in a mental asylum for about 10 years. When she was a kid of 10 years old, her family was murdered and she was taken away by the murderer and tortured for months. She was found eventually, dazed and catatonic, and has been institutionalized ever since. She has superstrength and if she isn't constantly sedated she goes berserk. A nurse mixes up the meds one day, Dana doesn't get her sedative, and she breaks out.

For some reason both Spike and Angel have heard about this separately. It seems as if they are rival "do-gooders" now. Angel is annoyed when Spike shows up at the asylum to investigate at the same time he does. They both talk to the doctor a bit, then Spike leaves saying it's time for action. Angel stays around and talks to the nurse. She wants a job with W&H and she shows Angels some videotapes and pictures she's not supposed to show him.

Dana is in a grocery store chowing down on Hostess Ding Dongs, and snapping the clerk's arm like a twig when he asks her to pay for the food.

Later there's a street scene with a bloody corpse. Spike arrives and sniffs the blood, prepared to track the perp (who I guess is Dana).

Spike also runs into Andrew (yes, Andrew from BtVS!), who is freaked out by the bloody corpse and screams like a little girl. Evidently it isn't their first encounter in LA; Spike tells Andrew to go back to Wolfram & Hart, and Andrew talks about how Giles has been training him and he is now 82% more manly than he was before. He also shows Spike a variety of weapons stashed inside his coat.

There is also a scene with Lorne, a real estate agent, and someone named Vernon who I think is a psychic. They're walking through a house that I think is Dana's childhood house. The psychic is talking about what happened to her and her family, and how "her pain is still here." There is also a mention of how Dana has been dreaming about Slayers for years (perhaps she's a Slayer herself now and that's why she has superstrength?).

There are flashbacks with Dana at the age of ten, screaming in fear at a man in jeans and work boots whose face is never seen. He's called the Humming Man because he hums all the time. He is preparing torture devices for Dana.

There is no casting side for the Humming Man himself. My guess is that the Humming Man is actually Spike, or at least the audience is supposed to think it is. It's also mentioned that he wears a black teeshirt, and when adult Dana sees a dark-colored teeshirt she freaks out and has a memory flashback.

Later--brace yourselves, because this is upsetting--Dana evidently must have gotten hold of Spike, knocked him out, and chained him to a radiator somewhere. It's mentioned that his arms are stumps, and Dana has a saw: evidently she sawed off Spike's hands. Fred has arrived with an ambulance and a med team and is taking Spike back to her lab to operate on him and give him new hands.

http://www.spoilerslayer.com/archives/002494.php:ATS: Episode 11 Details

As expected from the casting information released yesterday, further info has now become available. The big news, a familiar face from Sunnydale is in this episode. Titled 'Damage', you can get the scoop below.
Angel: Damage

The episode opens at a mental institution. A doctor (Dr. Rabinaw) and the head nurse (Carol) are chatting when a nurse rushes up to them, because a patient is not reacting well to their medication. There was a mix-up, and the patient was given the wrong sedative. Dr. Rabinaw is horrified when he discovers exactly who wasn't sedated. We discover why, as the heavily-reinforced door that contains this patient begins to take a beating from the occupant inside.

Rabinaw and some orderlies move to the door to the cell. Rabinaw is not worried, as the door can certainly handle this patient. Until it flies off the hinges and across the corridor. Inside, we see the patient. A young woman. A very tiny, slim and 'not the type to burst through metal doors' woman. To further disprove this assumption, the young woman (Dana), quickly disables the orderlies and escapes.

Angel and Spike arrive at the aslyum, thanks to an anonymous phone call.

Note: Spike makes reference to Angel maybe needing to check himself in, due to some mind-twisting parasite that Spike saved him from. I would guess that this is what induces the hallucinations/dreams in the previous episode.

They ask for more information from Rabinaw, who explains that Dana's family had been killed when she was only 10, and she was abducted and found wandering the streets months later. As Angel and Spike examine her room, which is covered with crayon drawings of a girl being accosted by demons, Rabinaw explains that up until a few months ago, she had pretty much catatonic. Then suddenly she came out of it, in a clearly agitated and schizophrenic state. She also seemed to be incredibly strong. Spike quickly takes a page from the 'Tru Davies book of Wrong Conclusions', and deduces that she must have been possessed by a demon. He heads out to find her, while Angel ponders the drawings further.

Meanwhile, Dana has wandered into a nearby store, hugging a bone-saw to her chest. While eagerly devouring snacky goodness from the shelves, a stock boy confronts her with the old 'you eat it, you buy it' routine. Which turns out to be a bad idea, as she breaks his arm without hesitation and heads off to get some clothes in another aisle. Where a armed security guard confronts her.

Back at the institution, Angel is approached by Carol (the nurse). He realizes that Carol was the one who called. Turns out that she's heard about a few openings at the firm, and figures this could give her an 'in'. She takes Angel to a room where Rabinaw has been taping sessions with Dana. One of the tapes features Dana in restraints speaking in multiple tongues (just like your standard victim of demonic possession), which seems fine until she says something in a language that Angel understands.

Back at the store, Spike walks by as the security guard's body is wheeled out under a bloody sheet. He smells some blood on the pavement, realizes that it's Dana's, and starts tracking her.

Missing a bit of the action here, but at some point Spike gets into a tussle with Dana. Dana is more than able to go head to head with Spike (have you figured it out yet?), and gets away. She is discovered at the docks by one of the workers, who goes over to her to see if she's alright (his first, and final, mistake). Meanwhile at Wolfram and Hart, Wesley and Angel have figured out that Dana has been dreaming about Slayers.

At the docks, Spike stumbles upon Andrew, who stumbles himself on the remains of the dockworker. (yes, that Andrew. I think he shows up at the end of the previous episode, as Spike tells him to go back to the offices and isn't surprised that he's in town).

While this is going on, Angel and Lorne have gone with a Wolfram and Hart psychic (Vernon), to the house where Dana used to live. We discover what happened when Dana was 10, as her family was targeted and killed by a mysterious 'humming man', who abducted Dana and tortured her until she escaped. Vernon realizes that she's trying to return to the basement where she was imprisoned for so long

Which is where Spike finds her. It's unclear if he's figured out what Dana is (A Slayer), as she rambles on like the mad-woman she is. Spike tries to talk to her, since he has some experience with half-insane women, but she manages to get the drop on him and uses some medication she found in the basement to render him unconscious (the same thing that used to be done to her by the 'humming man'). Spike, mercifully, blacks out.

Warning: If you are eating, or thought that nothing could be worse than last season's 'Kick-The-Spike' on Buffy, stop reading now

Final scenes in the episode are a Wolfram and Hart strike team rushing the basement and Wesley tranquilizing Dana. Angel and the others discover Spike chained to a radiator, sans hands. As Spike is rushed out to a waiting ambulance, Fred is communicating with the medical team back at the firm. Another employee comes out with a cooler containing Spike's hands. That's all I have for now.

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* http://www.voy.com/14810/133043647.html
Author: Nirvana 1
Subject: Ep. 12 side summery...

Well, at least the best that I could do with it...

Anyway, Angel talks with Eve and then he tells Harmony to have security watch her.

Angel sees Cordy (yay!) in the door way and she tells him that she pretty much doesn't like what he is doing and that he made a deal with the devil. Angel says she is exaggerrating but then a stereotypical devil shows up (Izzy) and chats with Angel and thanks him and takes off. Cordy can't believe it and Angel says that he is a devil but not the devil, the Cordy takes off.

That's it.

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[img]smilies/star.gif[/img] Here's the link folks. It's an episode dealing with Angel and Spike during World War II on a German U-boat. It's posted by Tensai of "Spoiler Slayer"
http://www.spoilerslayer.com/archives/002559.php

[img]smilies/star.gif[/img] Pandora at Mythical Boards has posted the full summery for episode 11,"Damage." www.mythical-boards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=679
Episode 5ADH11 | DAMAGE


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A deranged vampire Slayer is convinced that Spike is the man who kidnapped and tortured her when she was a child.

When a nurse at an asylum mixes up two patients’ medications, one of them goes into convulsions and the other, a 20-something woman named Dana, goes berserk, grabs an antique bone saw, and dismembers two burly orderlies while a horrified Dr. Rabinaw watches. A bit later, at Wolfram and Hart, Angel and his friends get a tip about a “possessed” patient who escaped from the asylum. Angel and Spike go to there, and Dr. Rabinaw shows them Dana’s room, which is decorated with childish crayon drawings of demon-like monsters terrorizing young girls. Dr. Rabinaw explains that when she was a child, someone murdered Dana’s parents, then kidnapped and tortured her, and she’s been nearly catatonic ever since. Convinced Dana is possessed by a demon, Spike immediately runs off to find her, but Angel sticks around and a nurse, Carol, offers to show him videotapes of Rabinaw’s sessions with Dana. Meanwhile Dana goes to a drug store where she gorges on junk food, and flashing back to her childhood torture, snaps a clerk’s arms and uses the bone saw on a security guard. Back at the asylum Carol shows Angel the tapes of Dana’s therapy sessions, and he’s surprised to hear Dana screaming in Romanian on one of them. A bit later Spike finds the drugstore Dana ravaged, picks up her blood scent… and a bit later comes face to face with her at an abandoned building. About the same time, however, Angel calls Wesley and tells him they’re not dealing with a demonic possession after all: Dana’s Romanian rantings, and her drawings of young girls being menaced by demons, indicate that she’s a Slayer, not a monster.

Dana attacks Spike, but even though he fights back, she hurls him out a window just as Angel arrives. Angel tells Spike that Dana’s really a Slayer, and they return to Wolfram and Hart to meet with an associate of Rupert Giles. When they arrive, however, they’re surprised to see Giles’ emissary is Andrew, who’s thrilled to see Spike alive. Andrew explains that in every generation, there are thousands of young women born with the potential to be Slayers, but only one is chosen. He says, however, that Buffy, this generation’s Slayer, had her witch friend cast a spell to activate all the potential Slayers in the world, and Mr. Giles has been slowing tracking them down and training them. Andrew speculates that Dana is one of these recently activated Slayers, but she’s so deranged that she channels voices and visions from generations of past Slayers… which causes Spike to realize that Dana must have thought she was the Slayer he killed a hundred years ago, and confused that vision with memories of the man who tortured her when she was a child. Spike immediately rushes out to find Dana while Dana herself wanders a wharf, still suffering flashbacks of her childhood torture. Back at Wolfram and Hart, Angel and his friends try to figure out where Dana might be, and Lorne suggests she might return to the scene of her torture. They decide to ask Andrew where that was, but discover he’s gone… and then we see him find Spike at the wharf. Spike tells Andrew to go home, but Andrew insists he’s much stronger than he used to be, and then he trips and lands on the remains of a dockworker Dana killed. About the same time, Angel and his friends to go a suburban home, where Vernon, a psychic friend of Lorne’s, has visions recalling the brutal murders of Dana’s parents, and the man who kidnapped Dana from the scene. Then, as Vernon senses the man took Dana to a dark building that smelled of molasses, we see Dana, in the present, arrive in the basement of an abandoned distillery, where she finds a box of tools and hypodermic needles hidden behind a grate… and then she has another flashback: Spike approaching her with one of the syringes.

Meanwhile, as Spike and Andrew wander the wharf looking for Dana, she stalks them. At Wolfram and Hart, Angel asks Gunn to find out who killed Dana’s family, and Lorne to find out where the man took her when he kidnapped her. Wes asks what they’ll do with Dana when they find her, but Angel says the most important thing is to get her off the streets. Back at the wharf the smell of Dana’s blood leads Spike into an alley, where Dana attacks him. Andrew tries to shoot her with a tranquilizer gun, but she knocks him out and runs off. Spike chases her… into the distillery basement. As they circle each other, Dana babbles about people and places that make Spike realize she’s still jumbling the memories of several different Slayers, including the one he killed. Finally Spike gets closer to Dana, but she jams a needle into his neck, and as he gets woozy, she chains him to the same radiator where her assailant once chained her. Then she injects him with another syringe, and he passes out. Back and Wolfram and Hart, Lorne finally remembers what Vernon said about a molasses smell, Fred realizes it could be a distillery… and then Andrew comes crashing in, telling them about Dana’s attack. Then, back at the distillery, Spike finally comes to and realizes Dana has cut off his arms with the bone saw.

Spike starts to pass out again, but Dana slaps him awake. He tries to convince her that he wasn’t the one who tortured her, but she has another flashback of Spike as her assailant. As it continues, however, Spike’s face morphs into that of another man, Walter. Then Dana has a vision — from another Slayer’s point of view — of Spike killing her mother, and she raises the bone saw again. Just then, however, Angel arrives, grabs her arm, and tells her that Walter is dead now. She thinks about this, but then attacks Angel. As they fight, however, Angel grabs Dana, Wes fires tranquilizer darts into her, and a Wolfram and Hart SWAT team moves in while Fred and a medical team attend to Spike and his severed limbs. Finally Andrew insists that because she’s a Slayer, Dana has to come with him. Angel protests, but then a team of twelve other Slayers arrives to back Andrew up, Angel relents, and Andrew and the Slayers leave with Dana. Later Angel visits Spike in the Wolfram and Hart hospital wing, after his arms have been reattached. Spike says he now realizes that even he will face a day of reckoning for his past misdeeds… and Angel tells him to sleep tight.

[img]smilies/star.gif[/img] A summary of casting sides for Episode 13 has been posted here - http://www.voy.com/14810/133049110.html.

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General Spoilers

*www.voy.com/14810/133035425.html: On Sarah Michelle Gellar, Buffy fans were heartend by recent reports that SMG would appear in an episode or two of Angel, but Whedon now admits that may not come to pass. "Its not a done deal and, in fact, we're not sure if its going to happen,I'm sorry to say" reveals Whedon. "There doesnt seem to be the interest that was expressed last year. It may be, that she got out and just said, I really can't go back to that right now. It's a very difficult environment after you've left something. So I'm not sure if its going to happen or not". (Page 35)

*David Fury Interview - Right Here.

*From TV Guide: (September 6-12, 2003) THE BIG FANG THEORY - Angel nearly dies, but Spike’s here to give the vamp show lots more bite

ON THE HOLLYWOOD set of WB's Angel, the brooding, do gooder title character, played by David Boreanaz, is sitting in his office, lost in thought. He glances up at Wesley, one of his crime busting partners, and asks, "You don't think he's really gone, do you?" Within moments, his question is answered: Spike, the trash talking, platinum blond vampire, comes striding in, clad in his trademark leather trench coat.

For a guy who was last seen going up in flames on the series finale of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, he looks remarkably unsinged. The actor behind Spike, James Marsters, is obviously thrilled by his resurrection. "With the writers we had on Buffy, I felt like we could have gone at least two more years;"he says during a break. Buffy and Angel creator Joss Whedon first approached the 41 year old actor last winter about transplanting his 123 year old character to Angel. Marsters jumped at the chance. "I have never felt bored doing this character. I don't know when I will be able to do something this delightful again, so why bid it goodbye before you have to?"

Spike's encore will be tied to the amulet that played a key role in Buffy's finale. "He's not just going to walk in and go, 'You wouldn't believe what just happened to me. I dreamt that I was burnt to a crisp,'" Whedon says. "We're going to bring him back in the most painful and confusing way for him possible."

Spike isn't the only one getting a second chance. For four seasons, Angel performed consistently, if not spectacularly, for WB, yet it hovered near cancellation last spring. The problem, according to WB president Jordan Levin, was partly financial (in order to stay on the air, Angel ultimately had to cut its budget) and partly the series' creative direction. "We wanted to brighten the show," Levin says.

So the vampires got a revamp. "Last year's plotlines were a little darker;" Boreanaz says, relaxing on a leather couch on the show's set. "This year, it's a whole different spin. There's more humor."

Levin admits that incorporating alums from Buffy, the cult hit that WB lost to rival UPN after five seasons, played a pivotal part in Angel's renewal. "We wanted to be able to fuse the two shows' worlds," he says. "We wanted to know there was an openness to doing that."

Marsters isn't the only one who quickly signed on. Buffy herself, Sarah Michelle Gellar, is in serious talks to make a two-episode appearance, likely during either February or May sweeps. And another Buffy character Spike's former flame Harmony, played by Mercedes McNab will appear throughout the season as Angel's new assistant at the sinister law firm he and the gang took over in last season's finale

Other developments to sink your teeth into: Former gang member Gunn undergoes a mysterious procedure that transforms him into a top attorney; science whiz Fred gets recruited by Spike, who's desperate to feel like his old self again; and an enigmatic new character named Eve offers up her services as a liaison between Angel and the law firm's senior partners.

Two major players have vanished, however: Angel's tortured son, Connor, and comatose Cordelia, who had been with the show since Day 1. According to Whedon, both exits were dictated by the story lines. "It was time for Cordelia to go;" seconds Charisma Carpenter, who will guest star on NBC's new fall comedy Miss Match. "I really don't know what was left to do with her."

Whedon has a few thoughts, though he's reluctant to go into much detail. "We'd like to do arcs with both Cordelia and Connor," he says cryptically. But let's not be coy here: It's Cellar the fans really want. Whedon won't divulge details, but he will allow that Buffy's presence will create more tension between the two vamps who've loved her Angel, her first boyfriend, and Spike, her most recent. "In order for all of them to get along," Whedon says, "one of them would have to die. Again. And I don't want that."

Neither does Marsters, who came to play, albeit by his own rules. "I'm starting to do what I did at Buffy, which is go off in a corner by myself;" he says. "Some of that's probably the character. But I suck at team sports. I always have. It's more like, 'Throw me the ball. It's my ball.'"

The show's original star doesn't seem particularly comfortable with that idea. "Remember, it's called Angel;" Boreanaz says. "Spike is one of my henchmen. He is underneath me."

*From SciFi Wire: New Angel Season Teased (More w/Link)
Joss Whedon, who is wrapping production on the third episode of Angel's upcoming fifth season, told SCI FI Wire that the characters will have a new mistrust of each other, as established in last season's finale. "It's a different issue, because, first of all, nobody remembers Connor," Whedon said in an interview. "But it's an issue, because everybody has their own motivation for being at Wolfram & Hart, and nobody trusts anybody else's. That's going to continue to be an issue all year."

*Excerpts from Joss's interview with about.com: (More w/Link)
What is the theme for this season of Angel?
The theme of this season is corruption because they’ve taken over Wolfram and Hart. The theme is can we do good in an evil world or will we just become tainted by it?

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AngelFan95

Old thread.

If anyone has any other title suggestions, let me know and I'll be glad to change it.

Also, I wasn't sure what the last thread number was, but I think it was 80. If it was different and needs to be changed, just let me know and I'll change that too.

AngelFan95

From TV Guide:NEW DIGS, SAME BITE
With Spike Aboard, Angel is Twice the Fun
By Matt Roush

A do-gooding vampire who now runs a sinister law firm? Weird, yes. But as Angel's bloodsucker of an office assistant says of the benefits, "Who needs dental more than us?"

Buffy the Vampire Slayer may be cult-TV history, but its spin-off, Angel (WB, Wednesdays, 9 pm/ET), wonderfully preserves creator Joss Whedon's cheeky-spooky tradition of mayhem. Adding allure this season is the posh new setting, as Angel and his posse settle uneasily into the offices they've inherited from Wolfram & Hart, "the law firm that represents most of the evil in the world."

Angel's crusaders, accustomed to fighting demons in the back alleys of Los Angeles, wonder if they can still do good from within the corridors of corruption. Complicating matters is the arrival of Buffy's reformed fiend Spike, who, like Angel, is a vampire with a soul.

Violently resurrected from his fiery sacrifice in <>Buffy's grand finale, Spike is trapped in a mysterious limbo. Even by the end of the second episode, no one knows whether he can be trusted or should be feared.

All that's clear is that James Marsters, who plays Spike with surly relish, is enjoying each taunt he trades with David Boreanaz as the ever-brooding Angel.

Verbal barbs fly as fast as fists and stakes in this clever thriller. As these vamps go for each other's throats — metaphorically, anyway — the show begins to feel like a supernatural buddy comedy.

"I must be in hell," growls Spike. But we know better. Funny, scary and completely original, Angel is nirvana for those who enjoy a good scream — and a good laugh.

From Watch w/Kristin:

From Michelle_McDermo: In some of the spoilers I read about Angel, Spike is a ghost, but he looked all whole in the last scene and in the previews. What in former Hellmouth is he?
Not whole, more Casper-y. But I hear Spike becomes whole again somewhere around the seventh ep. By the way, if you haven't caught this week's column, make sure you send in your Q's for James Marsters--I'm asking them this Wednesday when I go on-set for a live shot for E! News Live (E!, 7 p.m. ET/PT).

From seba_88: I hear we learn this week on Angel that Buffy is in Europe. True?
Yes. Angel tells Spike that. And it's the first thing on Spike's mind when he returns. Awww...

From vash: What did you think about the premiere of Angel? Any new spoilers about the show?
All of your questions about Spike get answered in this Wednesday's episode--why he's there, what he is, etc. And there are some fantastic moments between Spike and Angel as they discuss the whereabouts of Buffy, not to mention Harmony's realization that Spike snogged the Slayer. (By the way, I hear that Spike and Harmony might do a little rekindling themselves, later on in the season.) Also, as time goes on, Spike does plenty to provoke Angel--including suggesting that Angel feels less "special" now that Spike is also a soulful vamp.

From seba_88: Hey, Nino, any Angel scoop?
Let's keep my porn past our little secret. Angel does its first Halloween-themed ep this year. Something tricky happens to Lorne that makes people do whatever he says. He invites a demon, Archduke Sebassis, to a Halloween party where Sebassis sets out to destroy Angel. And more titillating news: Eve shows up in an ultra-sexy costume and gets into a tit-for-tat verbal war with Angel.

From Zap2It:It's down to the Final Four.

Only one of the top eight seeds remains in the third annual Showdown of the Network Stars. "Alias" star Jennifer Garner continues to breeze through on the support of loyal fans.

It only gets tougher from here, though, as she's joined by two vampires and an ex-Slayer in the semifinals.

"Angel" stars David Boreanaz and James Marsters also made it through. Marsters will face his former "Buffy" co-star Eliza Dushku in one Final Four matchup.

Go here to vote.

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Reddygirl

Thanks for the new thread! And by the way USA Today has a glowing review of tonights epi.

I expect the ratings to be down from last week because of baseball. There are two very exciting games on tonight, one with a very old, bitter rivalry, and these games should draw more fans than usually to division play but hopefully the WB will realize that. It'd be great if the female demo went up, though! (Not to be sexist as I'm a female and *love* baseball)!

PokerKitten

Thanks for getting us back on track with a nice fresh thread AngelFan, and I like the title. Having seen the working copy of Just Rewards I would most certainly agree with the sentiments [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

I am trying not too read too much into the scanty info we have so far for episode 8, and am actually looking forward to finding out the hows and whys of Spike being all touchy-feely. I do try hard to stay positive about the character I have seen change and grow and mature, but James does tend to ruin it sometimes, bless him! Check out the very short vid clip up at the WB, where he describes Spike as being an "insensitive jerk" [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

James talking about Spike on AtS

AngelFan95

You’re welcome reddygirl.

That’s great news about USA Today. I was at their site earlier this morning and saw that Angel made it into the “What to Watch” section online. Here’s what they had to say:

"Spike takes center stage on a terrific outing of Angel (WB, 9 p.m. ET/PT). Indeed, you'll find few better TV partnerships these days than the none-too-willing pairing of Angel (David Boreanaz) and Spike (James Marsters) — or, as they call each other, "Captain Forehead" and "Casper.""

I wish they had the review online too. I guess I’ll just have to pick up one of their papers later today while I’m out.

About the ratings, I expect them to be down a bit too this week, partly because of the baseball game and partly because I still haven’t decided whether or not Conviction was a strong enough episode to get people to tune in again this week. The ending was definitely a cliffhanger (I can’t wait for tonight!), but was the rest of the episode good enough to pull people back in again? I loved it, but I’m not sure it was. With the games on tonight, I guess this really won’t be the week we’ll find out, but I do think The WB will take it into consideration when they look at the ratings tomorrow.

Poker Kitten – You’re welcome! I haven’t seen the episode yet, but from the spoilers we’ve had so far, I definitely agree with the title too. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Thanks for the link to the video clip. It always takes me by surprise, but I love hearing JM’s real voice.

As for what he says, from the spoilers we have, I think the writers are going to focus more on the insensitive jerk side of Spike than they did the last couple of years on Buffy. I thought JW”s comment about Spike not being the same man that he was on Buffy very telling and I think, just as JM said we would, we’ll be seeing more of the ‘old Spike’ on Angel this season. It will be a big change, in my opinion, for the people who preferred him as he was in Season 7, but since the new and ‘only’ Angel viewers didn’t see that side of him, I think it may work for the audience overall. I’ve always enjoyed that side of the character, so unless they do something stupid like make him go evil with a soul, take away his soul or forget who he is at the core (including his love for Buffy), I know I’ll be happy with the Spike they’re giving us this season on Angel.

By the way, I’m not sure if this will make anyone feel better about Spike and Harmony, but I saw some scans of an interview with Mercedes McNab (Harmony) over at buffy.nu and in the interview she says:

"Harmony is a fun character, and I think they like having me there on the set because I’m easy to work with. It’s the same with James [Marsters]. He’s awesome to work with and everybody is excited to have him on the show, obviously. We’re playing off each other a little bit, but not too much yet. Harmony is just realizing that, oh yeah, they had a past. She doesn’t really remember their past and so she’s very excited to see him. And then it starts to hit her how mean he’s been to her. So that’s developing now. I don’t really see a [romantic] relationship going between them in the near future."

I’m not sure when this interview was conducted, but it’s good to know that a Sparmony romance isn’t something they’ve been planning on all along. There are a couple of nice pictures of her and there’s one of Harmony and Spike together too. You can see the scans here.

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Semisan

Wow! Found you guys again!

Glad that the forum is still up and about, but it seems like most of the gang has moved over to the Sparklie board. But now it is nice to have two places to go!

Well, doing my part to keep this thread alive!

I am concerned about the sides for episode 8. What does everyone think they mean if anything?

I have a theory that based on the fact that the last part of the sides seems to happen before the first part of the sides, that they may be doing a backwards episode.

I also think that something is already wrong with Spike when he and Harm get to the lawyer's office.

I have such high hopes for this season, I just pray that they are able to do the kind of work that they should have been doing in season 7 of BtVS!

I am a bit pissed over the fact that Baseball will eat into the ratings tonight. Just when we have an episode of Spike, we have some other show that will suck viewers away! [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img]

sante29

About the Harmony/Spike thing, IMO I think it's being done to get ratings--my theory is ME knows that JM is a sex symbol and the audience likes to see him "get physical", so therefore get him into a sexual situation to strut his stuff asap and make the audience happy. Can't say I'm thrilled with their choice of pairing, but they needed someone quick--not having the time to create/develop a whole new chemistry and coupling--so Harmony is a logical choice as a quick fix albeit maybe only temporary(I hope).

I don't mind snarky/brash Spike, but I don't want to see him being the manipulative, "insensitive jerk"(although I always thought he was rather sensitive, myself) of old--I'd hope they'd progress his character further than that...

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PokerKitten

Absolutely sante! You took the words right out of my mouth [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] I watched BtVS right from the start, when it was first aired, was delighted with the character of Spike when he came along in S2 and have been fascinated by the developments and changes in him over the years. The only time I remember thinking he was anything like an "insensitive jerk" was in S4 and his treatment of Harmony, although I would have described it more as selfish and manipulative.(Although comedically and acting wise, the pair were a delight together, I thought)

So that description makes me nervous now, given the snippets of information we have for ep 8... From the spoilers up to that point I wouldn't have described him as an insensitive jerk. Snarky, funny, annoying to Angel.. well yeah! And that's just great! But then, James says a lot of things about Spike that I don't agree with, so I'm just going to wait and see for myself. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

AngelFan95

But JM didn’t say anything about Spike being manipulative again. He just said he would be an insensitive jerk, which I think Spike can be at times.

I immediately thought of the scene in Becoming ll when Spike was carrying Dru out the door and he looks back and says something like “he’s going to kill her”, shrugs and then walks out when JM said this in the clip:

“But there’s also a part of Spike, which is really ‘I don’t really care about this. Go and hurt yourself. I’m not going to really pay attention’.”

I didn’t think badly of Spike when he left without helping Buffy then. I just thought it was Spike being Spike and I think those are the kind of scenes we may be seeing again this year.

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sante29

hi Pokerkitten-- Harmony and Spike do have great chemistry together, physical and acting-wise--which makes me suspect that she was brought on the show specifically for James errr, I mean Spike heheh. I know the Spuffy part of me will always fight Spike having(at this point in his development) a superficial relationship instead of a deep, meaningful one with someone mature, human and not so bimbo looking/acting. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
And yep, can't take what JM says too seriously, wish he'd control those verbal tendencies--adore him as I do.

Reddygirl

I think sante is right that the WB wants to sex up the show and thus we get Angel/Eve and Sparmony. Angel, thanks for the MM interview. She's a total sweetie but still coudln't stand Sparmony.

You know it's too bad about C/A. I will always be a Spuffy and in my heart, no matter what happens, I like to think Buffy and Spike will hook up in the future. But, if the show was to go into a 6th season, and if C/A hadn't sort of happened and if CC was still on the show, a Spike and Cordy pairing could have been fantastic. The tiny bit they had together in ITD was great!

A reminder: please go vote for JM and DB at the zap2it Network star poll. JM is up against ED (!) and DB is up against Jennifer Garner. JM actually defeated Jennifer Anniston. So, it's JM, DB, ED and Jennifer Garner in the semi-final.

sante29

Angelfan95 wrote: "Manipulative" was just me interjecting about one of the Spike behaviors I wouldn't want reappearing constantly. I didn't mind his bad behaviors back then, after all he was a naughty, amoral vampire and should be expected to behave badly at times--but I feel like he should've transcended the old Spike due to Season 7 and I'd like to see him stronger, heroic on Angel--and not so needy with a bit of the Big Bad still thrown in the mix.

Semisan

All this talk about Sparmony gets me all worried. But I keep thinking to myself it is either they have sex one time (which a relationship it does not make!) while infected by the virus

or

its a big ole fake out. I just am hoping and praying that it is this.

But trying not to dwell as it will only be worse if it all goes horribly wrong!

When should we get more info on 8?


Also, a bit that has been bothering me from "Convictions"...did anyone else notice when Harmony was talking to Wes and Angel, at one point she called out "Boss!"

And both Wes and Angel turned around and said "Yes?"

Just something to make you go hmmmmmm!

sante29

Semisan: Hopefully that's the case, reading around other spoiler places(sketchy info tho) it does sound like a one time thing and maybe Spike is only having sex with Harm due to the virus and that'll be that, please.