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Season 4 Spoilers

4x07 - My Brother's Keeper - 11/29
Written by Caroline Dries and Elisabeth Finch
Photos | Promo | Extended Promo | Australian Promo | Sneak Peek 2
THE MISS MYSTIC FALLS PAGEANT — Caroline does her best to be there for Stefan and Elena in a tough time. Damon tries to convince Stefan to help him uncover Prof. Shane’s motives, but Stefan is intent on carrying out a different plan with Klaus. At the annual Miss Mystic Falls Pageant, Elena and Caroline give April advice on which dress to wear, while Tyler and Hayley work together on a secret project, and Damon confronts Prof. Shane with his suspicions. Alarmed by the vivid nightmares he’s having, Jeremy turns to Matt for help, but the situation escalates sooner than anyone expected. Olympic Gold Medalist Gabrielle Douglas also makes an appearance.
[Gabby Douglas cameo] [Miss Mystic Falls and a dance] [Episode 7 advice lol] [Matt taking Elena to MMF (4x07)] [Klaus taking Caroline] [Caroline may be cracking] [Will Caroline compromise her morals for Klaus?] [JP interview 11/8] [Mirroring season 1] [Tweets about "mirroring" scene] [Caroline in episode 7] [spoilers posted on FB, not all legitimate] [Delena dancing] [Steroline discovery and bonding]

4x08 - We'll Always Have Bourbon Street - 12/6
Written by Jose Molina and Charlie Charbonneau
Photos 2| Promo | Extended Promo | Canadian Promo | Sneak peeks
A FLASHBACK TO NEW ORLEANS IN 1942 — When Stefan ({Paul Wesley) confronts Damon (Ian Somerhalder) with a suspicion about Elena (Nina Dobrev), Damon has no choice but to help Stefan investigate. Searching for answers, Damon and Stefan visit modern day New Orleans to see if they can find anyone who remembers the events of their last visit in 1942, including one of Damon’s former flames, Charlotte (guest star Madeline Zima). Elena, Caroline (Candice Accola) and Bonnie (Kat Graham) share a girls’ night while the Salvatore brothers are out of town, and emotions run high when Elena delivers some shocking news. At Hayley’s (guest star Phoebe Tonkin) urging, Tyler (Michael Trevino) confronts one of Klaus’ hybrids, Kimberly (guest star Alyssa Diaz), and the situation quickly escalates into violence. Finally, Damon is faced with a heartbreaking decision.
[Klaus' ex-girlfriend, Damon's witch] [WWII Flashback! (4.08)] [Casting: Adrian will appear] [Casting: Nandi, witch (sides)] [Charlotte casted] [Casting call for flashback] [Defan looking for answers]

4x09 - Oh Come, All Ye Faithful - 12/13
Written by Michael J. Cinquemani and Julie Plec
Photos 2| Promo | Extended Promo | Canadian Promo | Sneak peeks
A WINTER WONDERLAND IN MYSTIC FALLS — As a Winter Wonderland-themed party fills the streets of Mystic Falls, Stefan and Caroline find themselves at odds with Tyler over his plans for Klaus and his hybrids. When Caroline proposes a solution to their problem, Hayley finds a dramatic way to make it clear that she is not on board. Later, Klaus makes a discovery that leads to chaos and violence. Meanwhile, Elena and Damon retreat to the Gilbert Lake House to help Jeremy conquer some dangerous inner demons with the help of Bonnie and Professor Shane, who reveals a piece of ancient history that leaves them all speechless. Zach Roerig also stars.
[A winterland charity event] [Zap2it - crazy episode]


General Spoilers: (most recent first)
[Elijah coming back 4x15 or 4x16] [Returning characters cast list] [Will Kelena ever go head to head?] [Hayley throwing a wrench in things] [Vaughn & Caitlin 4x13] [Blind item: sex] [JP post 4x05] [JP on elena's kill, jeremy's storyline, bromance, the cure] [Tyler on a mission] [Pheobe Tonkin about Hayley] [JP about 4x06-4x09] [JP interview before 4x04] [Will elena take feeding too far?] [5 Spoilery Bits] [Connor Drama] [Season 4 Secrets] [Hayley's motives] [Caroline's jeaaaloussss!] [Caroline turns to Klaus] [Will elena kiss damon?, major deaths coming] [Hope for Klaroline?] [Stealing Klaus's thunder] [JP on season 4] [Damon missing Alaric] [Rudy as Bonnie's father] [Caroline Tyler & Klaus] [Damon helping in transition] [Damon & Meredith bond] [Ian about Delena] [Bonnie's dad coming] [Elena as a vampire] [Elena Dilemmas and a lonely Damon] [Phoebe Tonkin Talks 'Vampire Diaries'] [Crash course in Vampirism 101 for Elena] [Season 4 Promo Paul/Nina/Ian][Season 4 gets an extra episode as the love triangle gets bloody] [Jamie on the back burner]

Episode Recaps:
[4x01] [4x02] [4x05 (tyler)] [4x05]

Interviews with the Cast/EPs:
Julie Plec [Before 4x04] [TV Addict][post premiere interview][Triangle reset][Starrymag] [Examiner] [Hollywoodreporter] [Wetpaint] [Fanhattan] [TVline]
Kevin Williamson [Elena's Season 4 Journey 'Won't Be Easy']
Candice Accola [Helping Elena and on Klaus in Tyler's body]
Paul Wesley [Guilt and Elena turning]
Ian Somerhalder [Delena][Bad boy Damon's not pining] [Elena compulsion]
Daniel Gillies [Elijahs S4 return] [Flashback spoilers]
Zack Roerig[Matt, Rebekah, and missing Matt Davis][Moral compass] [Drastic changes in MF]
Torrey Devitto [Sticking around]
Joseph Morgan [Episode 4.04]

Casting News:
Todd Williams as Connor (4x02) [1] [2]
Grace Phipps as April Young (4x02)
Phoebe Tonkin as Hayley (4x03) [1] [2]
David Alpay as Professor Shane (4x04) [1]
Paul Telfer as Alexander (4x04 flashback) [1] [2]
Blake Hood as Dean, a hybrid (4x05)
Alyssa Diaz as Kimberly, a hybrid (4x06)
[Michah Parker as Adrian (4x08)]
Rick Worthy as Rudy Owens (4x10) [1] [2]
Charlie Bewley as Vaughn (4x13)

Comic-Con:
Panel [1] [2] [3]
[Michael Trevino/Zach Roerig] [Steven R. McQueen] [Julie Plec]

Post-Finale-Interviews:
[Zap2it] [InsideTV] [Hollywoodlife] [Examiner] [Spoilerguide]
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:08 AM
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:11 AM
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objectifying herself for her boyfriend's plan... it was her choice to exchange a hybrid's life for a date with Klaus. not Tyler's. the only one who objectifys Caroline is Klaus. he told her on numerous occasions how beautiful she is, whereas Tyler told her that he loves how big her heart is.
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I loved the australian promo. I hope those DE scenes happen before the MMF event.

About Caroline and the SED triangle. I completely understand why Caroline is team Stefan but she has to respect whatever decision Elena makes. Also it's going to be weird for all them if DE happens after SE being together for so long.
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But wow. Didn't we just see this season three. Oh Julie.. same old.
I don't think Stefan's gonna be S3 Stefan again. I think he's just gonna be ruthless in trying to get this cure for Elena, basically turning innocent people into vamps so Jeremy can kill them. He's not on human blood (as of now) so I don't think it's like a Stefan needs to be saved mission all over again. Idk I'm excited for this, I love good Stefan too but I think this is fairly realistic given what happened in S3.
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Reposting this, because spot on!
Well I beg to differ from you both.
If Caroline wanted she wouldn't do it, especially because she knows Klaus has a thing for her. It's disrespectful towards her boyfriend. As much as I hate how violent Tyler reacted he had every right to be upset by her decision to go in a date with Klaus.
But then again how much of a right he has if he sent her to bait Klaus in the first place? She should have said no to both, but she seems unable to say no to her boyfriend unless it means he's cheating on her or if his life is at stake.
I'd hold her accountable for agreeing to both things and as the only responsible for objectifying herself, although Tyler isn't a saint in this.
As for Klaus, he has no business with Forwood relationship. He's making his moves as almost every man would do. It shows he doesn't respect her relationship (some would say her), but first this is Klaus and second, that's what guys (and girls) do most time anyway. It's the committed one who has to draw the lines, and agreeing to have drinks together and going on dates isn't how you draw the lines.
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I loved the australian promo. I hope those DE scenes happen before the MMF event.

About Caroline and the SED triangle. I completely understand why Caroline is team Stefan but she has to respect whatever decision Elena makes. Also it's going to be weird for all them if DE happens after SE being together for so long.
Its not even a Team S vs Team D thing. After everything Damon did to Caroline why would she want Elena with someone like that. And why should she show her any respect if Elena isnt showing her any back by being with the man that hurt her.
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^ Caroline can be mad at Damon and Elena all she wants. She can feel about both of them whatever she wants. No one really cares. She can voice her opinion and she can even say to Elena she cannot be friends with her if she is with Damon. All of this is acceptable! But she cannot decide FOR Elena! She cannot decide who Elena will speak or be with. And at the end she cannot DECIDE who Elena will LOVE or be with!
Seriously, this is not even up for debate!
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Well I beg to differ from you both.
If Caroline wanted she wouldn't do it, especially because she knows Klaus has a thing for her. It's disrespectful towards her boyfriend. As much as I hate how violent Tyler reacted he had every right to be upset by her decision to go in a date with Klaus.
But then again how much of a right he has if he sent her to bait Klaus in the first place? She should have said no to both, but she seems unable to say no to her boyfriend unless it means he's cheating on her or if his life is at stake.
I'd hold her accountable for agreeing to both things and as the only responsible for objectifying herself, although Tyler isn't a saint in this.
As for Klaus, he has no business with Forwood relationship. He's making his moves as almost every man would do. It shows he doesn't respect her relationship (some would say her), but first this is Klaus and second, that's what guys (and girls) do most time anyway. It's the committed one who has to draw the lines, and agreeing to have drinks together and going on dates isn't how you draw the lines.
then let agree to disagree but I still think she enjoys the power she thinks she has over Klaus. she enjoys the attention. it's very season one of her. Just like Tyler's outburst in the last episode was very season one of him. I'm not quite sure whether Tyler was angry because of the date or because of the fact that Caroline didn't understand him. he relates to the hybrids more than ever. and Caroline didn't get this.
like I said, Caroline enjoys this. and I think Tyler knows. you and I have very very different views on TC, because to me it is (or until this point had) Caroline who clearly has the pants on in this relationship and she enjoys it. "you don't tell me what I have to do" she only speaks to Tyler like this. because she can be herself around him. so i don't get your argument at all.
and as for klaus, he enjoys this. he probably knows that they are playing him and he enjoys it. because he seeks attention and it amuses him how they fall apart because of him. their relationship doesn't mean anything to him.
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^ Caroline can be mad at Damon and Elena all she wants. She can feel about both of them whatever she wants. No one really cares. She can voice her opinion and she can even say to Elena she cannot be friends with her if she is with Damon. All of this is acceptable! But she cannot decide FOR Elena! She cannot decide who Elena will speak or be with. And at the end she cannot DECIDE who Elena will LOVE or be with!
Seriously, this is not even up for debate!
I don't think she is, lol. Caroline can slam the door in Damon's face if she wants, that's more a reflection of her own dislike for him. At the end of the day, she's not gonna lock Elena up and be like "you can't see him!!!"
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I don't think she is, lol. Caroline can slam the door in Damon's face if she wants, that's more a reflection of her own dislike for him. At the end of the day, she's not gonna lock Elena up and be like "you can't see him!!!"
If Damon is there to see Caroline then yes. She can slam the door on his face. If Damon is there to see Elena and Elena is not saying sth like "I don't want to see him" can you please explain how her decision that those 2 cannot talk is her right???
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If Damon is there to see Caroline then yes. She can slam the door on his face. If Damon is there to see Elena and Elena is not saying sth like "I don't want to see him" can you please explain how her decision that those 2 cannot talk is her right???
It's not necessarily right, it's just not a big deal. It's her first instinct to slam the door in his face, it doesn't mean she's legitimately gonna try and stop DE from talking/hanging out if they want to. Damon will walk in anyway and she'll just roll her eyes most likely.
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It's not a big deal, but it's also not a "surprise" that some people find it annoying or think that maybe she oversteps her "rights". That's all.
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I don't even see how it's a "shock" that she slammed the door, seriously that's surprising? It's also too much of a coincidence that her date with Klaus is in a DE centered episode.
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i don't see how telling someone they are beautiful is objectifying it. it's flattering to hear and appreciating someone for being physically attractive does not mean you do not enjoy other dimensions of them.

apart from this, many people dress up to feel pride in their appearance and physical attractiveness. it may be an esteem booster but it also plays a role in overall success not just to the opposite (or same) sex but also in performance as well.

caroline was physically and mentally abused by damon, why wouldn't she slam the door in his face? i would be surprised if she ever did find it in herself to have any sort of respect for damon. i think she is generally uninterested in him, not that she hates him or likes him. i don't blame her.
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