XoXoStella

Thank you!

theoretical girl

Leaving aside the Jack speculation, which I don't believe in, I do follow you to a certain extent but I have a very different take on it. I still see CB as equals and I'm hopeful for their future, which is probably why I interpret 4x07 differently. To me the Chuck makes me feel like a weak little girl is an attempt to parallel Chuck and Blair. They both become what they do not want to be in each other's precense. Chuck doesn't want to be "Chuck Bass" but he thinks Blair forces him to be. Blair doesn't want to be weak, but that's exactly what Chuck is turning her into. In that sense they become mirrors for what they believe are their worst selves. Having said that I don't think the writers are spinning a tragedy here. First of all because I do think there is something hopefull about them forcing each other to be more authentic and real about who they are. Secondly because I don't think this is the end of the story. They will move on to something more viable. It's like Blair and especially Chuck's identities are bouncing all over the place right now, but the end goal is hopefully more calm. I see it as a high strung OTT dramatic take on the identity crisis you often go through when you grow up, not knowing who you are and who you want to become. Hopefully they end up somewhere in the middle.

eta:I just wanted to add that one of the reasons why I'm hopeful, is that what Chuck and Blair both fear to be isn't really that bad, they just view it that way. Chuck Bass has done some awful things but being him isn't the end of the world and a life of eternal loneliness. Being vulnerable and willing to give up control is not the same as being weak in a very negative sense. I know Eleanor's speech sounds a bit off, but I do think it's the writers intentions to bring some of Blair's inner struggles and issues to the forefront.

figeuroa

I didn't read that way though...I think it's typical Blair Waldorfing that she planned/did things and was horrified/upset by the out-comings...She trusted Elizabeth blindly and got screwed up by the result...She decided to go through the Indecent Proposal and then it became an emotional burden for her and she realized she demeaned herself in the name of love... In both cases, she blamed and disgusted herself more than the outsider factors IMO...IDK if she blamed Jack or not since there wasn't anything said she did to me...

theoretical girl

Hi Stella and welcome to the thread

Trustno1

I wholeheartedly agree with this; It's what I tried to say in my post this morning.
I just think the frontier between who they are as individuals has been blurred.
C is projecting himself onto Blair and Blair is too weak to stop him from doing this. Retrospectively, it has always been their dynamic last season.

sandraisabel

From S1 to S3 they paralleled Jenny to Blair in many ways. Now they seem to start paralleling Jenny to Serena: leaves town after doing something horrible, returns and refuses to engage in war, ... I wonder what that holds for Jenny's future?

XoXoStella

Hi theoretical girl! Thank you. Loved your last post. You do analyse the relationship between Chuck and Blair really well. Are you excited for what to come? (is it ok to ask that?)

Hugs.

sandraisabel

Hi Stella! Welcome!

Trustno1

THey've started since the last cotillion where J was S and Blair was that other weird looking girl

sandraisabel

How so?

theoretical girl

I think that's where we differ, because I think it's true the other way around as well, which is basically what the entire story about whether or not Blair will ever be able to forgive Chuck is about. And I don't see Blair as weak at all. If anything she has trouble dealing with her own vulnerability. Recognizing your weaknesses doesn't make you weak it makes you stronger. She still needs to learn that. The way to handle emotional turmoil is not to lash out and try and manipulate the world around you. I know Chuck was the major culprit in the IP, but I do think the writers' also emphasized that it would never have happened if Blair hadn't tried to take control of the situation. She's way ahead of Chuck in maturity but she still has major issues.

theoretical girl

thank you. Ask away ...I am looking forward to the next few episodes. CB is the story on the show I'm most interested in and it looks like they'll get lots of material so that's good.

XoXoStella

Thank you!

Trustno1

I really saw at as "Blair has let C do too many things to her" and that it was the extent of her culpability in the IP.
I feel like she has let C and S use and abuse her and that according to the writers this makes her responsible to some extent for what they do to her.
IA that most of this go through the fact that the schemes and manipulate on CS's behalf but I think it's just a symptom of her weakness when it comes to these two. And the fact that she completely forgets herself when she takes on all CS's ennemies/problems.

sandraisabel

It's always been CB's fear, being weak and vulnerable. Blair has a constant need to control everything which leads to her being her worst ennemy (Yale, IP,...) and Chuck is afraid of being perceived as soft by the others (fear of displaying his emotions, opening his heart, .,..). Hence they hide behind extravagant personas and seek power over the others. Blair can see through Chuck so she can see his weakness, his real self. Blair cannot control Chuck and cannot control her emotions towards him, so she's scared of loosing control and feels weak when she's with him. I guess both have to learn to relinquish some control, but it is complicated now by the fact that they don't trust each other. How to resolve this? I suppose they need to rebuild trust and learn to love themselves enough that they accept their weaknesses?