The C/L will probably not only last 4-6 episodes. It's likely to be longer. I don’t know how long. But don’t count on it being over by hiatus.

I do see that the same way - but what I ask myself the whole time is:
Why the hell do the show runners think so???

I didn't start the "cheating" discussion, but I have to disagree with this statement. If she accepted that he didn't cheat then why was she so passive/agressive with him after she went home with him. Also, why did she tell Jess, weeks later, that Logan cheated on her. It really has become a moot point, however, because she forgave him. I hope that it doesn't come up later with Rory feeling insecure, because I don't think Logan would ever do anything like that again.

Fans were told to invest in Luke and Lorelai and route for them, yes. But I don't think it was ever said that'd it'd be an easy task or an easy journey. No one said it was going to be bump free. And no one said it would happen in a specific amount of time.

And how do we know that we'll never see Luke and Lorelai succeed? I don't understand that line of thinking. We know nothing, absolutely nothing, about the 2nd half of the season. And we hardly know anything about the first 1/2 of the season. We know dribs and drabs. We know that LC will be a couple, but we don't know for how long. We know that it will end before the winter hiatus. What we don't know is the when of it or the how of it. We don't know how long the relationship lasts at all. In 7.04 they go on a date, but in 7.05, to some, it looks like they are already arguing. So what if DS is in the first 13 episodes? I don't think it's stated that he has to be in a relationship with Lorelai for 13 episodes.

One hour of television can cover a lot of ground. I know that LL fans were majorly burned last season. I know ASP left many feeling betrayed. This isn't ASPs show anymore. It's DRs. And I don't think we've heard him discuss every aspect of every storyline that is happening this season. If anything, he's been pretty vague. The spoilers have almost come to a complete hault. Sides have become difficult to even get these days. Tours are getting more and more strict, or so they say. And DRs wording of "consequences" can over a lot of ground.

I think it's too early to decide that we're never going to see LL succeed.

The C/L will probably not only last 4-6 episodes. It's likely to be longer. I don’t know how long. But don’t count on it being over by hiatus.

Because the bitter irony is that part of Rory's story of growing up is to establish herself separately from Lorelai. To not just be Lorelai's daughter. That's part of the growing up process. That's not Lorelai's story. Hers is to finally get Rory grown so she can release her life from the stasis she put it in when she decided to have Rory. But Rory will never be suplanted by anyone on the show in importance in Lorelai's life. Two different journies they're on, both separately and together.

That's why the Crap Shack will never be Lorelai & Luke's home, because it's always going to be Lorelai's home for her and Rory. If Lorelai marry's Luke they will have a new home and new identity separate from Rory. But that won't be Rory's home, and Rory wouldn't visit there as much, just due to the fact that it's not her childhood home. Rory can do that with Logan, or anyone else, because she has to cut the apron strings and stand on her own two feet. Yes, at the beginning of S4 we saw Rory move out of the CS, but I don't think anyone would claim that the dorm room at Yale became her home. I don't think anyone would say the room she shared sophomore year with Paris @ Branford was her home. Neither was the pool house, nor the apartment she shared with Paris & Doyle. But yes, the one she now shares with Logan is, it's written into the text of the show, they both refer to the apartment/loft as home. Because that's an important part of growing up. Unfortunately I don't think that's supposed to be part of Lorelai's story. Because that involves either moving someone, for real, into her home with Rory, and considering that we didn't see hide nor hair of Luke at the CS during the middle of the season, and we never saw Luke spending time there in S5 when Rory was home, or having a new home with that person, which isn't Rory's home. That might happen toward the end of the show, to show that both have started on their separate paths, and are heading toward happy lives, but it won't happen on the show.

She's not a recurring character, she's not the support for the Lorelai & Luke show. Rory is one of the TWO main characters. She's one of THE LORELAIS. The show is about her growing up and establishing a life away from her freakishly close relationship to her mother and her mother allowing herself to finally move forward with her life. It's not about that life for Lorelai, because her having that life diminshes from Rory. Which is why I find the idea of a S8 sketchy, it's hard to do. Rory really is out on her own, likely living in another state, or she's having to stay somewhere close by, like Stamford, which keeps her tied to the Huntzbergers. But S8, if done logistically well, holds Rory back, and I don't want that for her. But it is, bitter irony here, easier, dealing with the premise of the show, Rory growing up and establishing her own life, beachhead, separate from Lorelai, easier for her to begin that life with someone - if they choose to go that route - than it is for Lorelai. Rory can have a job and a relationship; but family is many years down the road. That's not true for Lorelai. And I don't think Lorelai can have more kids while on the show. That means schlepping them to Yale or Hartford to have dinner with Rory or Emily, Richard & Rory. That's not going to happen. They can show the very beginnings of Lorelai married, maybe even her pregnant, but not happy life with more kids and a new home. It takes away from Rory.

Caf please, any other detail on the C/L lasting longer then winter hiatus?

No, I don't. Sorry.

There is some seriously sickening speculation and hints going on at TWOP. All I can say is, they had nothing to do with my post and that's all I know.

But someone there, who's much more knowledgeable than me, said showrunners plan a season in two halves, one before the winter hiatus, one for after the winter hiatus in terms of filming.

I know ASP gave the impression she didn't do that. But it could fit here. That's all I know. Again, I'm sorry. Really sorry about this.

The C/L will probably not only last 4-6 episodes. It's likely to be longer. I don’t know how long. But don’t count on it being over by hiatus.

I haven't hung out much at TWOP, but I curious. What is being said? And what are you so sorry about? I don't get it.