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Episode 4.13 "Pictures of You"
February 07, 2007

CAN ONE DAY CHANGE EVERYTHING? — A class assignment reveals the deepest secrets and desires of Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) and the students at Tree Hill High. Worried about college prospects, Skills (Antwon Tanner) turns to Haley (Bethany Joy Galeotti), while Nathan (James Lafferty) wrestles with Deb’s (Barbara Alyn Woods) suicide attempt. Chase (guest star Stephen Colletti, “Laguna Beach”) learns that Brooke (Sophia Bush) cheated on her calculus exam, while nudity and drugs run rampant in the halls of the school. Paul Johansson, Moira Kelly, Lee Norris and Danneel Harris also star. Les Butler directed the episode written by Mark Schwahn.

TV Guide.com Description: The kids partner up for an eye-opening school assignment that involves divulging personal information and learning how others see them

The pairings for the school project are:
Nathan/Peyton
Lucas/Glenda
Brooke/Chase
Bevin/Rachel
Skills/Haley

Nathan tells Peyton that he is scared to death to be a father.

Haley feels her baby kick for the first time.

Glenda (3.16 and 4.04) returns and shares a scene with Lucas at school. Apparently, kids are making fun of Glenda in class and Lucas runs after her to talk with her.

Episode 4.14 "Sad Songs For Dirty Lovers"
February 14, 2007

STEPHEN COLLETTI (“LAGUNA BEACH”) GUEST STARS — Haley (Bethany Joy Galeotti) confronts Brooke (Sophia Bush) regarding the stolen calculus test. Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) and Peyton (Hilarie Burton) consider taking their relationship to the next level as Peyton and Brooke grow closer. In Deb's (Barbara Alyn Woods) absence, Nathan (James Lafferty) throws a senior party at the Scott House where a sex tape from Nathan's past surfaces. Paul Johansson, Moira Kelly, Lee Norris and Danneel Harris also star. Janice Cooke directed the episode written by William H. Brown.

TV Guide.com Description: Haley questions Brooke about the stolen calculus test. Meanwhile, Lucas and Peyton's romance intensifies; and a party Nathan throws at Deb's house leads to the discovery of a sex tape from his past.

It is revealed that Brooke and Nathan slept together way back when N/P were a couple. This revelation will have a ripple effect on most of the core relationships.

At the senior party, Skills puts in a tape that he believes to be basketball highlights. It is then that everyone sees the N/B "act".

After part of the tape is shown, Brooke turns to Nathan and asks him, "That really happened? I was so drunk that night I thought I had dreamt all of it.Brooke is fully aware Nathan is taping them. They are both very drunk, but they BOTH are aware of the camera at the time. They may forget after the fact due to all the alcohol, but at the time of the taping they both knew the camera was rolling.There was a scene filmed with Nathan/Brooke kissing. We will only see kissing, nothing more. They are both shirtless. Brooke is in a bra.

"Haley slaps Rachel and confronts her about the stolen test and how she went after Nathan earlier this season.Peyton punches Brooke in front of everyone because she slept with Nathan when he was dating Peyton. There's a sex tape. The extras were told to "react" to the tape although nothing was shown at the time, so it's feasible to believe clips of this tape will be edited into the footage for the episode. The party's at the Scott house, and from the way it sounded, Nathan and Haley may be moving into the house. This can't be confirmed as it was only implied, but it would make sense with Deb's problems."

Lucas and Peyton become very passionate at the party, but their special moment is interrupted by the commotion about the tape.

Episode 4.15 "Prom Night at Hater High"

February 21, 2007

YOU NEVER FORGET YOUR PROM ─ On the day of Prom, the residue of Nathan's (James Lafferty) pre-Prom party has serious repercussions for everyone in Tree Hill. Haley (Bethany Joy Galeotti) asks Nathan for a list of his past sexual conquests. Rachel (Danneel Harris) is suspended after taking the blame for the exam she stole with Brooke (Sophia Bush). Peyton (Hilarie Burton) tells Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) she wants to skip the Prom entirely, but he refuses to take no for an answer. Finally Mouth (Lee Norris) and Brooke must deal with dating Clean Teens on Prom night. Moira Kelly, Paul Johansson and Barbara Alyn Woods also star. Paul Johansson directed the episode written by Mike Herro and David Strauss.

There was a flashback scene filmed for the Nathan/Brooke pre-story, but it is not a sex scene. It's at the beginning of the episode.

It is revealed that Nathan and Brooke were both drunk when they slept together. Apparently, Brooke was more so than Nathan. Also, it is revealed that their tryst happened after Nathan and Peyton had just broken up for like the 100th time in their relationship.

Episode 4.16 "You Call It Madness, But I Call It Love"

Writer: Terrence Coli

Rachel takes the fall for Brooke regarding the whole test/cheating/key thing. Rachel ends up getting expelled.

No one's prom turns out the way they think it would.

Episode 4.17

Writer: Mark Schwahn

This is the episode featuring the "OTH coming to your hometown contest". (Sunkist) The cast/crew are going to Honey Grove, Texas for filming. No details yet on the storyline for this road trip.

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GENERAL SPOILERS

Brooke and Peyton defeat PsychoDerek together and their friendship is stronger than ever.

The Nathan/Brooke tryst will not ruin the B/H friendship.

Brooke and Chase's story will be about falling in love and about all of the romantic parts of a relationship.

Sunkist is sponsoring "One Tree Hill coming to someone's home town" to do an episode. The rumor about N/H visiting her parents, unfortunately, isn't true. The studio wouldn't pay Huey Lewis and Bess Armstrong the money for their return appearance. (from Curlyhead )

"From what I've heard we will see Nathan as the calm one about the pregnancy at times. I actually got the words that he was "running around like Super Dad." They are going to be there for each other but they will have their realistic struggles." (Duck Girl at 911)

Quote from Sophia Bush to Kristen @ E.:
"We are stirring the pot! It is heavy. It is drama packed. It's going to be really exciting. And I can't reveal anything, because if I reveal one detail, the whole web will unfold!" This is what Sophia Bush tells me of the new season of One Tree Hill. But when asked whom she wants her character to be with, she cracks just a smidge. "You know, I think my character might just end up with somebody new by the end of the season. I'm hearing rumblings!"

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Casting News

Matt Barr (PsychoDerek) is returning to the show. No word yet on when his first episode is.

Stephen Coletti (Chase) will definitely be in episodes 12-15. It has not been detemined if he is appearing in any episodes post-15.

Elisabeth Harnois (Shelly, 4.04) will be returning for three episodes: 12, 13 and 14.

JJ Redick is not making any appearances on OTH as of 1/9/07. We will inform you if the show makes a deal with him.

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TV Guide interview with Mark Schwahn on January 17, right before episode 4.11

TVGuide.com: The show definitely left off on a different note before the holidays, when deceased Keith (Craig Sheffer) returned to enlighten Lucas. What made you do that sort of episode?

Mark Schwahn: We usually go into our hiatuses with big cliff-hangers, but as you know, the week before had all the cliff-hangers — the big car accident with Haley (Bethany Joy Galeotti), and Lucas' heart attack. Normally that's where we would leave the audience, but this is our fourth season, and I just felt like we didn't have an opportunity to play Christmas because [it's] actually spring in the lives of the kids in Tree Hill. Around the holidays, people miss their loved ones, and I wanted to write an episode that told those people it was going to be OK. A couple of people said, "Why is It's a Wonderful Life on the TV in the hospital if it's spring?" I wanted to remind the audience and the people of Tree Hill that it is a wonderful life.

TVGuide.com: And then at the end we see Lucas open his eyes, so we know he's awake. The main question I was left with was whether he'd remember that he had that experience.

Schwahn: His journey, certainly in the next handful of episodes, is in coming to terms with what he saw. When you're visited by a dead uncle while you're unconscious, do you act on the things you saw? Do you believe them?

TVGuide.com: But at the same time, Nathan (James Lafferty) has been having visions, trying to remember what happened at the bridge a while back. Will he and Lucas bond over seeing Keith?

Schwahn: We use Peyton (Hilarie Burton) as more of a conduit for Lucas to cycle through all of these things, because Peyton has had so much loss in her life. And it was her who said to Nathan — when he told her at Rachel's house party that he had seen Keith — "Do you not believe it could happen, or do you not believe it could happen to you?" If anybody had a stake in believing that you could see people you have lost, it would be Peyton. It's a very smart instinct to bring Nathan and Lucas together over this, but Lucas shared a kiss and confessed his feelings for Peyton. Now what are they going to be?

TVGuide.com: Right, is it going to make them stronger together?

Schwahn: Well, I think it has the opportunity to. They're two kids that carry around the weight of the world quite a bit. Can they agree together to let go of that weight? The theme for Lucas and Peyton is, "How do you learn to be happy when you've spent so much time carrying grief around? Do you feel guilty for being happy? Is it OK to let it go, especially when you're 17?" Does he have a responsibility to act on the things that he saw, and should he take them to Karen (Moira Kelly), open up those wounds for her again, based on, what, a dream?

TVGuide.com: As far as Nathan and Haley go, I thought for a minute that you might have her lose the baby because of the car accident. Was that ever a consideration?

Schwahn: I love Nathan and Haley, and most of our audience does as well. If we let them be happy, they'd probably be bored, but I never considered having her lose the baby. She would be losing it because of the decisions and mistakes that Nathan had made, and I just didn't feel like they could recover from that.

TVGuide.com: This week, Haley discovers Nathan's dealings with Daunte, which caused the accident. Is that going to break them apart?

Schwahn: In a refreshing turn for Tree Hill, he's going to tell her the truth! [Laughs] She's going to struggle with his deception — not to the degree that our misdirected promo department will lead you to believe — but she certainly has issues with his decision-making. It's a pretty satisfying arc for them. Ultimately, I think that Nathan and Haley, as a couple, can weather almost any storm.

TVGuide.com: And meanwhile, Dan (Paul Johansson) is facing murder charges, sitting pretty in jail after taking the blame from Nathan. Is he finally going to be punished for a lifetime of cruelty, even if this particular accident wasn't his fault?

Schwahn: Probably not. [Laughs] Here's what's really interesting: He may flip out of this one. It may be because he's pulling strings, it may not be. I feel that he took the fall for Nathan because he's healing himself for murdering his brother. If he is set free, that may be the worst thing to happen to Dan.

TVGuide.com: That's true. He's really haunted.

Schwahn: He's very haunted, and it's almost like he's trying to punish himself without saying, "I murdered my brother," because he knows he could never recover from that. If set free, it's almost like he's in his own personal prison.

TVGuide.com: I thought the truth about Dan killing Keith might come out when Lucas revisited the high-school shooting scene. Is that secret going to come out, or what?

Schwahn: That secret will come out.

TVGuide.com: This season?

Schwahn: Yes, this season. I don't know if it will come out before the next hiatus, though.

TVGuide.com: It's so frustrating to watch!

Schwahn: It's a delicate balance. How long do you drag it out? Is there a point where the audience is simply frustrated, or are they still intrigued and putting the pieces together? There is a person who knows the truth and [that person] will turn up the heat. Increasingly, Dan will find that his world is shrinking in terms of the deceit he carries around.

TVGuide.com: If Dan gets out of jail, will we see more of him getting closer to Karen? It's kind of creepy that he's been inching his way back into her life while she's pregnant with his dead brother's baby.

Schwahn: I know, it is creepy, because the audience knows the truth. But I really don't suffer Karen for the choices she's making, because she is in a vulnerable position and she doesn't have many people to turn to. Deb's pill addiction is taking her out of the friendship loop, and Karen finds herself isolated with another pregnancy, similar to where she was 17 years ago — and the guy who abandoned her then is available to her [now] emotionally.

TVGuide.com: Are we going to come full circle here?

Schwahn: What I'm compelled by is [the fact that] as they grow closer, the truth about Dan murdering Keith grows closer as well, and that's going to lead to some explosive things.

TVGuide.com: Is Keith going to visit the Tree Hill gang again?

Schwahn: He might. I actually have a scenario where we would see Keith again. I don't know if we're going to do it, but there's a possibility.

TVGuide.com: Is the Brooke/Peyton/Lucas triangle going to continue, or will Brooke (Sophia Bush) have a separate story line?

Schwahn: Brooke's story line right now is that she's failing calculus and she's going to decide not to cheat but to study. She's going to learn, in her words, that she's "Brooke smart" and not book smart, at which point she and Rachel are going to set their sights on stealing the calculus exams. That story line intersects with Shelly (Elisabeth Harnois), the leader of Clean Teens, who we met earlier in the year. There's a new member of Clean Teens, Chase, played by Stephen Coletti from Laguna Beach, and Brooke's going to take an interest in him. At that point, we'll find out how dedicated he is to a life of abstinence. [Laughs] There is a huge fan base dedicated to Brooke and Lucas, and sometimes [those people] feel a bit betrayed, just as the fan base dedicated to Peyton and Lucas felt betrayed. That tells me that we've done things correctly — that's the strength of a love triangle. Peyton spent a really authentic time with Jake, and I think that Brooke could spend a really authentic time with another character, which doesn't necessarily mean she won't find her way back to Lucas or he won't find his way to her.

TVGuide.com: Do you know if the show will be on next season?

Schwahn: No, I don't, and if you can find out for me.... [Laughs] I've talked about jumping the show ahead five years and skipping college if we come back next season. It's unprecedented and it's never been done, and I think it would be a really compelling journey to take. It doesn't mean we wouldn't go back and dedicate entire episodes and substantial moments to nights in college that affected where they are now.

TVGuide.com: I think I would want to see that!

Schwahn: Well, I would want to write it. When most of these shows go to college, it's hard to create the energy and enthusiasm for their journeys, but as a storyteller, there's such a sense of excitement to tell those stories. I think it would reinvigorate the show in a really good way, so hopefully the CW will see the merits in it.

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Thank you to The CW.com, Showfax, Fanbolt, OTH Writers 911(esp. Steph and Cathy), The Futon Critic, Mr. Vidiot, Amanda, Micfall, Drops of Jupiter, Susan XG, Angie and many anonymous sources who contribute to this thread during the season.

ETA- Edited spoilers for Episode #16, per request.

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Promo Pics and Links

Episode 4.14. "Sad Songs For Dirty Lovers"

Episode 4.13. "Pictures of You"

"Pictures of You"-- As a class assignment, the students are paired off and must learn things about each other they never knew in order to answer the question: Can spending 50 minutes with someone change your perception of that person?

same old story

This title is so true.

ILieInTheSound

Thanks for the new thread. Haley asking Nathan a list of his past sexual conquests. Haha. It's gonna be more of a book or something.

StealingKisses

I love the title!

SluttyDeb

Brought this over from the last thread.

Comment on Nathan's negative actions isn't bashing to me. Bashing is saying you hate him, he's the worst character ever or you wish they would just get rid of him for no valid reason. But joking about his sexual prowess or how the writers have all the female characters infatuated with him isn't bashing IMO, it's venting. It's just a release because we're frustated by the current depiction of Nathan and his character isn't the only one getting complaints. I love Nathan and a lot of the others but that doesn't mean I'm not going to complain about faults I find in the characters. This board is for discussion of OTH in general and spoilers, it doesn't necessarily have to be all positive. That's what the Romantics and other shipping boards are for.

Kenjigirl

I get a kick out of the titles you guys come up with.

Li_Campos

Hey, loved the thread, even though i love Nathans hair lol
Anyways, I was wondering where is the spoiler that Haley asks Nathan for a list, or if its just a speculation.
Thanks

Kenjigirl

Its right up there in the 415 ep description.

SluttyDeb

I love the title, Cathy.

Manu9

the title

elizardbreth1911

Awww... Skills and Haley. Everything else ranges from meh to me laughing at how ridiculous it is. But, yay for Skills and Haley. And, Nathan, honey, can you please cut your hair? Thanks.

Poupa

Thanks for the new thread, Cathy. the title!


And you didn't get the part where i said, i have NO problem at all with opinions, i mean, it's a free board, we say whatever we want, nagative and postivie is sure a welcom thing here, but come on, things were said not only about his sexual past but about everything he did and didnt do, and if it's not you, then it's others. Seriously the NH thread was a Nathan bashing thread, i don't even know how it's supposed to be a NH thread, when the other half was being trashed like this.

And i thought when anyone wants to express how they dislike a character, they don't have to trash him/her down and pay absolute no respect to it's fans.

SluttyDeb

My mistake, Sally. I thought you did have a problem with from your words. I respect your dedication as a Nathan fan and your opinions. I don't feel I have to be considered a basher because of my opinions or comments because I love Nathan too and he's not the only character I criticize.

LovelySophia01

I'm so excited for these upcoming episodes! This season is my favorite so far!