issa

ILoveOTH23

thanks Isa!

Jidsy <3

TFTNT!

Bringing this over from the last thread...
Not true. Annie was literally shown to be in his heart, that is canon. And if anything, s3 very clearly established Jeff's feelings for her. From their talk in 3x02, to all their flirting in all the alternate timelines in 3x04, to writing in a hello kitty diary so she would talk to him to their countless looks and smiles throughout the season. S3 I think quite clearly moved them forward from Jeff's perspective. On the other hand, Jeff hasn't expressed any sort of romantic interest for Britta since s2, and even IN s2, he had been playing this ~dance~ with Annie where he had feelings for her (2x12 for a clear example).

issa

No problem!

I have a lot of feels about those damn interviews. Like I wanna rage and laugh! You come to a show that's been building up for 3 seasons but since you liked a ship you might start writing for them?

ring of fire

I still don't know if I'm going to watch next season. I'll probably watch 3 episodes and see what happens. Jeff/Britta is probably one of the worst pairings I have ever see on TV and like I said before I'd rather have no romance at all than Jeff/Britta again because they brought down the show a lot in S1 with their lack of chemistry and cliche relationship. And I can't believe the new show runners want to do JB just because they like them and throw away all the build up Troy/Britta has had since the last episodes of S2. It makes no sense.

Most comments I have seen online have been negative so I hope they decide not to go the JB route.


EXACTLY. I never saw any feelings. Just two immature adults attracted to each other physically.


I'd hate this storyline so much. It would be so contrived. That would be just a dumb way to "get rid" of Annie.

And I'm tired of Annie's age being such an "issue". She will be 22 in S4 and this is 2012. A lot of people I know have dated older people, it's NORMAL. People act like Jeff is 50 and Annie is 14. They are both adults.

diamond gothic

Thanks for the new thread.
I agree.

I also have never had any issues with the age difference between J/A. IDGI to be honest. She's an adult. Besides I've shipped couples with a way larger age gap, lol.

Jidsy <3

Agreed. Not only that but Troy/Britta's similar age difference is never brought up at all. Obviously I don't think EITHER should be an issue.

Flynn

Not exactly a fair, nor accurate statement. Because from what I've seen in the fandom, alot of J/B fans just choose not to comment on every fandom sources on the interwebz, but just ship J/B in places where there's support, like Tumblr. Further, I bet if you were to take a poll over at the A/V club or Reddit, you'd find a lot of J/B support there. The point being, you can't accurately say ppl are against J/B unless you somehow have statistical proof, which you don't.

I don't think age is as much of an issue as it's the disparity in life experience. Beyond that, there's nothing truly there to hold J/A together, except for their mutual "crush" on each other. And they're friends, of course, but not as close as Jeff/Britta are as friends. In any case, the show itself is poking holes in that as much as the fandom....which should tell you something.

I can see where you're coming from, but some of the examples you've cited also magnify the age/life experience gap between them, and how uncomfortable it makes them feel, especially Jeff. He might have feelings for her, but he also knows it's wrong and ultimately weird to him. And as far as Annie being in Jeff's "heart" - you did notice that all the other things that were in his heart express just how shallow Jeff is, right? The things that came up show how much his id is this dominating thing with him, and that's where Jeff needs to grow up. It's hard to say he truly "loves" any of those things because we know that those things just make him feel or look good, or feel good about himself in a narcissistic and superficial way.

Right, I should've said he has feelings for her as well, because I wouldn't deny that, more so that he has them, but won't act upon them in any serious manner. I honestly think it's like a "to each their own" kinda thing as to what you prefer. I agree that they did play up the J/A stuff in S3, but I also feel like they had to amp it up to satisfy fans of that ship, and to also let it get to a place where we, and the characters, discover that how misguided the relationship is. J/B may also be dishonest in that sense too in the past, but I always thought they had these moments that showed better potential, and that they needed to be more honest with themselves to get there.

ETA: The thread title is great.

Roswell Dream Girl

Thanks for the new one!

MaryLouMoriarty

Unfortunately, I think that you might be right. You can never know what the writers are up to. They might have focused on JA in season 3 only to drag their fandom along. Which would be a lame thing to do, because I don't think that anybody would buy it, if Annie and Troy suddenly moved on and dated other people. The entire story would be inconsequent and half-assed. I know that as a JB fan you disagree, and I'm not saying that you're wrong. But that's just how I feel.
For now, I just hope that the writers are trolling.

I cannot believe that I forgot about all this. I definitely agree.

eta: tftnt

ring of fire

But you don't have statistical support about JB either If you only visit JB tumblrs it's obvious you are going to find support.
Most of the comments were negative in the TVline and Vulture articles.


I disagree. JA has real feelings for each other. JB only has physical attraction and it was easy for them to sleep together because both were immature and they both knew they were never going to be a real couple.
Britta said in the Blade episode she was attracted to "bad guys" just because they treated her like crap just like Jeff did when he slept with her in S1. That isn't a healthy relationship and I don't care how the show tries to spin it. It was obvious Britta was only interested in Jeff because he was her "type" and Jeff only felt physical attraction towards her.


Also I don't care if the show pokes at JA fans that isn't going to change my opinion about JB. I never liked them the first time and I'm sure the second time it's going to be a million times worse because there's no build up at all and they have no chemistry. I'm sounding like a broken record but I prefer having no couples at all than JB.

I was looking forward to next season because finally there was some progress in S3 but I have no interest in watching the Jeff/Britta show.

Flynn

That's ok. That's what makes shipping different pairings on the same show interesting. And yes, I do basically disagree with you about Annie or Troy moving on to other people eventually because that's just what happens in life. And I don't think it's very "sudden" as you say. In S1 and S2, Annie had a big crush on Jeff until S3, when things started to change. SHE started to change, evolve, and look at herself and examining why she feels the way she does. VSA is a great example where she acknowledged that she didn't love Jeff, but loved the idea of getting a guy like Jeff. That's not the same thing, even remotely. The latter just shows how insecure she is, and needs validation from a guy like Jeff (cool, aloof, emotionally stunted) liking her back. It's not about Jeff at all. It's like Jeff's speech in Vampire Mythology - she needs to stop going to Jeff, learn to love herself, and she'll soon realize that she doesn't need Jeff to feel good about herself. So, the logical narrative then for S4 is that she'll grow up a bit, pursue what she needs to pursue and stop throwing herself at Jeff or try to change him in order for him to want to be with her. Cos it won't happen otherwise. And if that means she meets someone else, it would be better cos then that attraction will probably be reciprocated. With Jeff, it most likely won't be.

But my point is that you can't take whatever you see on other boards and parlay that as fact that most people hate J/B. Ppl can use different accounts, different usernames, be of a different demographic that aren't likely to comment, etc. There's a number of factors that play a part. You can't generalize based on a few places, and ultimately, it doesn't really matter all that much in the long run. The showrunners will do what they feel is right for the show. And we're just along for the ride. If that means going with J/B or J/A, so be it.

I'm not sure why, if you're a J/A fan, though because it seemed quite apparent to me last season that J/A was gonna get put on ice for a while, if not permanently. And actually, I wasn't expecting any J/B at all for S4, but just Jeff doing his own thing with his dad, and more Jeff/Study Group stuff. But even then, I didn't care. This show is more than just about who's gonna end up with who.

ring of fire

Britta moved on in S3. She started developing feelings for Troy and Troy has had feelings for her since S2. Dan Harmon said the text Troy sent her in the Blade episode said "I love you". For me it would be ridiculous if all of the sudden both moved on and started developing feelings for other people. It's just bad writing. This show is Community, not Gossip Girl.


I don't care if JA doesn't happen. I care about the show and the group as a whole. And last season most of the characters finally made some progress and it seems they are throwing all that way so JB can be together. For me Britta is taking ten steps back.

And from all the spoilers we have been getting it's safe to assume that show is going to focus a LOT on JB. They were terrible in S1 and they brought the show down a lot with their storyline. I have no interest in watching them as a couple. And if they are going to eat up 50% (or more) of the screentime with their "romance" what's the point in watching it?

I have said this a million times I'd rather have no couples at all as long as JB stay away from each other.

MaryLouMoriarty

This makes me want to rewatch season 3. I would like to know if there are any subtle moments or plots, that hint at a JB reunion.
As for the bold part, I'd like to remind you that in the beginning of season 2, Annie told Britta, that the only reason she kissed Jeff was because she wanted to know if she could do it. She wanted to be more like Britta, or something, and she denied liking Jeff. That's why I can't take what she said in VSA too seriously. Both Annie AND Jeff deny that they have genuine feelings for each other, yet they somehow end up having those little intimate moments.. I don't know, it's really confusing if you ask me.
Nice analysis, though. I would really like for Annie to be more independent and more confidant. (Maybe that's just because I have a strong feminist streak.)

That's a good burn! I hate Gossip Girl.

ring of fire

I quit watching GG after S3 and everytime a show starts doing contrived ships and changing people's feeling in two episodes I feel like they are channeling Gossip Girl GG was the queen of "lets throw away all the build up and return to contrived ships just because".