Spoilers - OTH S&S Brooke & Lucas #62: If you turned away they will all fall.

BrownEyes1980 · 11-14-2006, 01:56 PM

Lucas & Brooke
Spoilers and speculations.

OTH S&S B/L #62: If you turned away they will all fall.

The Five Stages of Our Grief:

1. Denial – The "No, not me" stage.
2. Anger/Resentment – The "Why me?" stage.
3. Bargaining – The "If I do this, you’ll do that" stage.
4. Depression- The "It's really happened" stage.
5. Acceptance – The "This is what happened" stage.

Reasons Why Mark Hates Us:
Humor is the keyword here.

#1: When he was younger, Mark was pushed over by a guy named Lucas Brooks. Therefore he holds a grudge against anyone that reminds him of that moment.

#2: In 4th grade, he had a crush on a girl named Brooke, who rebuffed his homemade Valentine's card. But her quieter, geekier friend liked him back and gave him a Valentine's Day card. She was blonde and called Peyton.

#3: Because we called ourselves 'Masochists' so I guess he thinks it's okay to hurt BL and us all the time. Good thing we weren't called 'Throw Them Into A Volcano'. I think we should change our name to 'Happy Bunnies' and maybe he might get the message.

#4: because we express our hate for him and so he takes it literally and puts it down on page.

If you have a reason/reasons which qualifies here feel free to pm the thread starter.

+ SEASON 4 +
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Episode 4.08: "Nothing Left to Say But Goodbye" November 22, 2006

COULD THIS BE THE END?
Derek (guest star Ernest Waddell, "Law & Order: SVU") convinces Peyton to take a chance with Lucas at the same time that Brooke approaches him about getting back together. Daunte's (guest star Rick Fox, "Oz") latest demand leads Nathan to seek help from an unlikely source - Dan. When Rachel learns of a failing grade, she turns to Haley for tutoring. Nathan is named MVP of the Ravens at the annual sports banquet. Janice Cooke directed the episode written by John A. Norris (CW)

Derek tells Peyton to give Lucas a chance just as Brooke tries to make up with him; Nathan has more trouble with Duante; Rachel asks Haley to tutor her when she discovers she is failing a class. (TVGUIDE.COM)

Brooke reconsiders Lucas just as Peyton decides to give him a chance. The only thing worse than Peyton's luck with guys must be her timing, because now that she's ready to spill her heart out to Lucas, he's about to get a 2nd chance with Brooke. Nathan on the other hand, is running out of luck completely as his loan shark forces him into a deal with the devil. Or as they know him in these parts, Dan. (TV GUIDE) Credit: a*shot*of*whiskey

Episode 4.09: "Some You Give Away" November 29, 2006

DON’T MISS THE LAST FIVE MINUTES!
As Whitey’s last game approaches, the residents of Tree Hill feel the pressure of a looming State Championship. Peyton reveals to Lucas that she has feelings for him. Haley learns the sex of her baby. Nathan and Lucas clash over personal and team goals. Karen shows Deb tough love, while Dan tries to strike a bargain with Daunte (guest star Rick Fox, “Oz”). Greg Prange directed the episode written by Mark Schwahn. (CW)

As the Ravens prepare for the championship, Lucas learns Nathan intends to throw the game and decides on a risky plan to even the odds; Karen insists Deb show up for her son's final game and tries to help her get there; Dan makes a last plea with Duante. (TVGUIDE.COM)

Episode 4.10: "Songs To Live and Die By" December 6, 2006

IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE
Lucas receives an unlikely visitor – his supposedly dead Uncle Keith. Haley's life and the life of her unborn child are threatened when she experiences serious complications with her pregnancy and Nathan wrestles with the guilt and consequences of his dealings with Daunte (guest star Rick Fox, “Oz”). Dan tries to make amends for Keith's murder. Peyton and Brooke try to patch up their differences. John Asher directed the episode written by Mark Schwahn. (CW)

After a cardiac incident, Lucas has a dream in which the spirit of Keith visits and shows him how much one life can affect the lives of others, with a nod to “It's a Wonderful Life.” Elsewhere, Haley is the victim of an accident and Dan helps out Nathan. (TVGUIDE.COM)

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"I think Brooke has grown into an independence over the three years of the show that she didn’t have in the beginning. And she’s never been alone. She’s always needed someone. And I think that that independence speaks to bigger issues for her. But I will say, in direct response to the question, they will spend time together this year, but I think that there are so many different shades of their relationship that we haven’t explored, and I’m sort of interested to explore that. They may break up and get back together. They may choose to just try to be friends and not be able to do it… which would either make them enemies or make them romantic again, you know? But I think that they have had a huge influence on each other’s lives and I think that will" - Mark Schwan

"The Lucas-Peyton-Brooke triangle will become "more complex," we'll find out who's pregnant, Rachel will become a series regular and Mouth will finally get some lovin'.We’ve never seen Lucas with a broken heart, and I think it would be interesting to see that. You know, it’s funny that the love triangle with Lucas and Brooke, and Lucas and Peyton is still alive and well after 67 episodes, and I think it will continue to be. But I also think that our audience is getting older. They’re growing up with the show and their lives are a little more complicated than that simple sort of A to B to Z, and I want that for the show as well, and I kind of want that for Lucas and Brooke and Peyton. So, that’s a little cryptic, but I guess the idea is that people sort of assume that if he’s not with Brooke, he’ll be with Peyton, and if he’s not with Peyton, he’ll be with Brooke, and I think that it’s a little more complex than that." - Mark Schwan

"We are stirring the pot! It is heavy. It is drama packed. It's going to be really exciting. And I can't reveal anything, because if I reveal one detail, the whole web will unfold!" You know, I think my character might just end up with somebody new by the end of the season. I'm hearing rumblings!" - Sophia Bush

Kristin: I wanted to ask you about this ‘cause he said that your character has always been sort of the object of these two women’s affection, but he thinks it would be interesting to see what would happen if you were heartbroken for once, that you know, you didn’t necessarily get your way. So it sounds like you might be-- I don’t want to say that someone’s going to be rejecting you, but it sounds like that to me.

Chad: Is Lucas going to have to cry or something? Man!

Kristin: It sounds like it

Chad: You know, I think what I want, I want a chance for him to just not rise above it. You know, I want that opportunity, I think, where he doesn’t always take the right path. You know, he’s always, through everything, his uncle passes away, his father issues, he’s always risen above his issues and become a stronger man for it. I want to see him get roughed up. I want to see him go down a nomad path and just figure things out for himself, on his own.

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Newest spoilers
When you think stuff cannot get anymore confusing, think again!

My best source told me once again big storyline coming up for brooke. Lots of Baley and Brooke is part of the Naley arc along with Lucas.

Credit: Kaos @ OTH 911 Board

I have heard about Brooke's big storyline but I'm holding out for much more info. before posting about it because I'm wary. VERY wary as Brooke never gets the meaty stuff. I have heard that Haley is going to be involved and they will be "supporting each other while they both encounter major life changes".

Credit: Amanda (Hoydenish)

Mark stated that Brooke and Peyton would reunite, and I can tell you that it is going to happen. It is still very much a part of his vision. Expect it to happen in a realistic and meaningful way.

Credit: rebecca (curlyhead)

Hey guys! I got a request to come in here and give you guys anything I could. Well the problem is that there aren't a whole lot of B/L spoilers right now. However, I have heard rumblings that a big storyline is in the works for Brooke and it could force her to realize what, and more importantly, who she really wants in her life. I also have heard that NH will provide a common point of interest between the two in the episodes to come. My best guess is that it's the first steps to repairing their broken friendship right now. I definitely wouldn't lose hope. I have always been told by sources that no matter what it will always come back to Brooke and Lucas in the end.

Credit: Stephanie (DuckGirl)

Brooke never thought she was pregnant, in the finale or at any time. There is something else going on with her that doesn't involve Lucas, Peyton, or any pregnancy.

Credit: Curlyhead (Rebecca) at Fan Forum

L/P get together BEFORE the end of the season. It's already been scripted (though not yet filmed).

Credit: Amanda (Hoydenish)

"I feel like the stakes just keep getting higher and higher, so it's very exciting." This is what Sophia Bush tells me of the new season, which will open with a fatality from that season-ending car accident...for someone involved. But since Danneel Harris (Rachel) is a series regular this year, you can bet she makes it out alive. Now, she'll just have to deal with her guilt--and Haley's wrath--over causing the crash. As for that other cliffhanger, I'm hearing two ladies are preggers, and neither is married! Also, expect some core relationships to fall apart very early on, and unlikely new friendships to be forged. The second half of senior year will be very different from what Brooke, Lucas and Peyton had imagined.

Credit: Watch with Kristin (E.Online)

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Other Spoilers

Haley will be instrumental in bringing Lucas and Brooke back together. I don't mean fully back together but at least back to speaking terms. Haley will also pull Lucas away from Peyton. Neither of these things are intentional. Brooke and Lucas will come to Haley's rescue after the kiss takes place.

Credit: Duckgirl at OTH Writers 911 Board

Haley is not trying to pull or push Lucas towards either girl. She is hurting and confused and Brooke and Lucas band together to support Haley. Peyton is also supportive. It is simply what gets B/L talking again.

Credit: Amanda (Hoydenish) at Fan Forum

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From the set

Credit: Various people. Ashley for the last 2.

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B. Davis · 11-14-2006, 02:18 PM

Thanks for the thread, Eva!

So, yesterday I was reading A Heart So True and there were those Stages people [aka Brooke] go through to get over a crush and I really think she's doing it now.

Stage One: Pathethic. No matter how hard you try, you are going to be pathetically crushed out. You will still want your crush, obsses over your crush...
Stage Two: Pretend. You pretend you're not feeling everything you were in Stage One. You know it's over; you know you're going to have to move on... eventually. But getting over a crush takes time. You allow yourself certain pathetic behavior, but it's very controlled. And no one knows the extent of your continued crushing but you.
Stage Three: New Guy. Your crush has been transferred to a new guy and the old guy is really, finally out of your mind. It's like magic. But the crush is never really gone untill Stage Three is reached. Stage Three is the key.

I thought Brooke was on Stage Three already... but I really think [and hope] she's still in stage two. And if she actually tells Lucas she wants to go back to have... whatever they had... she's back to Stage One. =\ Thinking like that I don't think Brooke will ever get over Lucas.

BrownEyes1980 · 11-14-2006, 02:23 PM

The latest...

This is from TV Guide's print edition:

For episode 8:
Brooke reconsiders Lucas just as Peyton decides to give him a chance.

And for the longer summary:
The only thing worse than Peyton's luck with guys must be her timing, because now that she's ready to spill her heart out to Lucas, he's about to get a 2nd chance with Brooke. Nathan on the other hand, is running out of luck completely as his loan shark forces him into a deal with the devil. Or as they know him in these parts, Dan.

Credit: a*shot*of*whiskey

And some posts about this from the last thread:

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Originally Posted by B. Davis (View Post)

I think it's a misleading. The "reconsiders" in there must be "reconsiders a friendship" or any sort of relationship with him but a romantic one. She thought LP were together in eppie 2! They never exchanged a word ever since eppie 3 and now out of the blue Brooke goes "Oh, Lucas, let's get back together!" PLEASE!

And... as much as I hate it... Nick, remember him?! I guess Mark already forgot about him.

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Originally Posted by shiftmyshape (View Post)

When B/L was together, they discounted everything L/P ever shared together. Everytime they got a chance they made Lucas choose Brooke over Peyton in every way. Peyton was portrayed as the mistake. 'I wanna be with you...NOT Peyton', 'My heart is with you', '...Brooke Davis, and I'm completely in love w/her', 'I kept that box as a reminder', 'If I ever got a second chance I would never let you go again'...etc. The list goes on. I think it was very important for the couple's sake to prove that Lucas' heart was 100% w/Brooke. Now that L/P might be happening I can see how they could make Brooke want Luke back but he goes for Peyton. To show that he wants her now. But it still doesn't make any sense considering people were complaining that they abandoned a whole season of L/P. But B/L was done over the course of two full seasons, one year after L/P. But L/P barely took a month. It's still ooc for Brooke to want Lucas back.

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Originally Posted by BrownEyes1980

I can see them (the writers) doing that too.. make Brooke want Lucas back but that doesn't change that I think it is total CRAP and out of character for her to all of the sudden in episode 4.08 want him back. What changed between 4.01 "I can't do this anymore", "It shouldn't be like this and "Sharing a laugh with Peyton...making a mix with Peyton.. Peyton".

Lucas has spent 24/7 with Peyton since and Brooke has witness that several times so I see no explanation to why she would ask Lucas to get back together again, none whatsoever!!??

I do see it if the writers want to make LP look better and destroy Brooke's character even more which seem to be the main goal so far this season *shakes head*.

So I guess it can go one way or another:

Either we see her asking him to get back together to have him shut her down and have LP look better while Brooke is acting totally out of character.

Or we'll have it in the realistic way which would be for her to wanting to make amends and actually just want them to be friends or just not "enemies" anymore and act civil towards each other.

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Originally Posted by Meluffy (View Post)

Brooke said that to Luke cos she was lost, it doesn't mean she doesn't love him and it doesn't mean she doesn't wanna have him back...imo

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Originally Posted by BrownEyes1980

I know she loves him... and that wasn't my point.

My point was that it is totally ooc for Brooke's character to actually ask for Lucas back or to start a romantic relationship with him now. When nothing of what she obviously felt was enough reason to break up with him has been resolved. Her insecurities, Peyton... it's all still there so why would she put herself back out there again after watching LP 24/7..ok she hasn’t seen them 24/7 but at her birthday she saw them together, laughing and with Lucas arm around her and that was what 24 hours after she had broken up with him.

Obviously the only reason why Brooke would ask for him back is to give BL closure as Lucas will obviously start a relationship with Peyton in the next episode. It makes LP look like a better couple and that Lucas is now completely over Brooke and can start clean with Peyton.

In the process obviously makes Brooke act like... I don't know... someone else but that is obviously what the writers want this season "mix-tape - earrings - mix tape - EARRINGS!"

and this would be another step in destruction. Also it would make Luke like a complete jackass and lier since we had a build-up for 2 seasons and he proclaimed his love for Brooke a lot of times when they were dating. LP never had a build-up and Lucas was never in-love with Peyton in S1.

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Originally Posted by minnik (View Post)

i think personally that this is the worst thing that they could do to brooke/brucas. I mean if she wants to get back together with lucas then we all know that she will be rejected by him for peyton as leyton share a kiss in epi9 and they are officially a couple in 10.

Mark is just making it worse and worse for brookes character just so that he can have LP together and make them look good.

It wouldnt even surprise me if they make brooke look bad yet again in this episode so that even more people start to like LP.

i dont want to see brooke being rejected but i just know its coming cos most of the descriptions fot this episode are saying that brooke wants to get back together with lucas.

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Originally Posted by shiftmyshape (View Post)

I completely agree, Eva. L/P just doesn't make any sense to me. I'm guessing we have to endure a little to win in the long run. Because even though this season may not end in B/L, I have strong feelings that it will spell the end of L/P forever. And that's the first of many victories.

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Originally Posted by BrownEyes1980

I agree.

We got to sacrifice some things to get there.

But I still hope the writers will to it in the more realistic way than the ooc way for Brooke to get LP together. It's a shame that we might have to see her do something like that just to give LP a clean start, you know.

I am also sure it will lead the way for LP closure and that is my main reason nowadays to watch this show. closure for LP! I'm pretty sure that BL will not be a romantic couple again this season and I am alright with that. BL scenes with them as friends or just not them as enemies and watching LP get closure on the way is enough for me. Who would have thought that a few months back?

jess890 · 11-14-2006, 02:25 PM

Thanks for the new thread Eva.

Brooke will get over Lucas one day, right now she needs to take some time for her and for figuring out what she really wants in life and i don't think she wants a liar and a jerk in her life.
Right now i don't think that Lucas is the guy for her, i hope time will tell me i was wrong.

flawed perfection · 11-14-2006, 02:28 PM

What...Chad interview were you guys talking about?

tAsnIm · 11-14-2006, 02:29 PM

She'll never get over Lucas ..naa-uh

You know, I think we've definitely been the luckier ship

I sometimes feel bad about the kind of pity storylines Mark is giving LP

I mean we had almost all of two seasons of Lucas saying he loves Brooke every other minute and then All Mark does to show that Lucas just might be moving on, is show one scene of him saying to Brooke that he's not gonna fight for her any more? That scene is meant to tell us that BL are done and that the way is clear for LP?
Pshhh

That really would suck for me if I was an LP Shipper ..but since I'm not, I'm just real happy it's being written in such an unrealistic way

BrownEyes1980 · 11-14-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by B. Davis (View Post)

Thanks for the thread, Eva!

So, yesterday I was reading A Heart So True and there were those Stages people [aka Brooke] go through to get over a crush and I really think she's doing it now.

Stage One: Pathethic. No matter how hard you try, you are going to be pathetically crushed out. You will still want your crush, obsses over your crush...
Stage Two: Pretend. You pretend you're not feeling everything you were in Stage One. You know it's over; you know you're going to have to move on... eventually. But getting over a crush takes time. You allow yourself certain pathetic behavior, but it's very controlled. And no one knows the extent of your continued crushing but you.
Stage Three: New Guy. Your crush has been transferred to a new guy and the old guy is really, finally out of your mind. It's like magic. But the crush is never really gone untill Stage Three is reached. Stage Three is the key.

I thought Brooke was on Stage Three already... but I really think [and hope] she's still in stage two. And if she actually tells Lucas she wants to go back to have... whatever they had... she's back to Stage One. =\ Thinking like that I don't think Brooke will ever get over Lucas.

I L-O-V-E A Heart So True. The book gives me hope back.

She went back to step 1 like all the time right? I mean she went to Felix and in the end it always came back... she never got over Lucas.

Naima, it was the new Cosmo Girl interview with him. It was posted in the Chad thread on the OTH board. By the way, he will be on MTV's TRL and also the CW11 Morning News tomorrow and they might show OTH clips not that I think there will be BL ones but just a heads up.

jess890 · 11-14-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tAsnIm (View Post)

She'll never get over Lucas ..naa-uh

You know, I think we've definitely been the luckier ship

I sometimes feel bad about the kind of pity storylines Mark is giving LP

I mean we had almost all of two seasons of Lucas saying he loves Brooke every other minute and then All Mark does to show that Lucas just might be moving on, is show one scene of him saying to Brooke that he's not gonna fight for her any more? That scene is meant to tell us that BL are done and that the way is clear for LP?
Pshhh

That really would suck for me if I was an LP Shipper ..but since I'm not, I'm just real happy it's being written in such an unrealistic way

The LP storyline is sooooooooooooo unrealistic, that's why i don't get LP's fans, seriously i wouldn't want a relationship to start like that.
I'm the biggest BL fan out there but i can tell you that after LP sex i'm never gonna want Brooke with Lucas again because that would have just ruined everything, and i don't understand how the LP fans want Lucas with Peyton after everything he told Brooke, anyway i'll never get them

flawed perfection · 11-14-2006, 02:38 PM

Thanks, Eva! I'm gonna go read it.
As for him being in the morning news, I think Im gonna pass, cant wake up in the morning for someone I dont much care about

Meluffy · 11-14-2006, 02:41 PM

Thanx for the new thread Eva, ff was a peyton with me and i was still on the last one waiting for it to post my reply when he has already posted it twice!

anyway....yeah LP fans r weird for that cos seriously the LP "love" story sux!

BrownEyes1980 · 11-14-2006, 02:43 PM

Jess, I think it has to do with that you yourself believe in that ship and since it's a TV series you still stand them by them even though things can get really unrealistic. I mean I'm always gonna ship Brenda and Dylan in 90210 even though the show is long gone and the BDK triangle went on for a long time and they both had sex with him.

They believe in LP and we believe in BL and that's gonna continue.

tAsnIm · 11-14-2006, 02:45 PM

ok no bashing shippers .. guys

(And btw I didn't think the Chad interview was that bad)

I wanna read 'A Heart So True'

jess890 · 11-14-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BrownEyes1980 (View Post)

Jess, I think it has to do with that you yourself believe in that ship and since it's a TV series you still stand them by them even though things can get really unrealistic. I mean I'm always gonna ship Brenda and Dylan in 90210 even though the show is long gone and the BDK triangle went on for a long time and they both had sex with him.

They believe in LP and we believe in BL and that's gonna continue.

Well i love BL together and i'll always love what they used to be (in season 2 and 3) but when i say that i don't want BL together after the LP sex is because it just wouldn't make sense and be realistic to see Brooke with him after that, so yes i love BL but only as long as their relationship stay realistic.
I'm hoping that Mark won't destroy the only couple i've ever shipped, let's hope he will chose the right option, even though i'm sure he won't.

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ok no bashing shippers .. guys

I wasn't bashing them, ok maybe... but not really

All i'm saying is that i can't understand everything is happening with LP.