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Originally Posted by PhoenixRising (View Post) It's like Chekhov's Gun. If you show the audience a gun on a wall in the first act, it must be fired by the final act or it shouldn't be there. Captain America: The First Avenger teased Jim Hammond, the original Human Torch, during the Stark Expo where one of the exhibits was a man in a red suit inside of a glass tube, called "The Artificial Man," created by Professor Phineas Horton. However, they never did anything with that or went anywhere with that. It was a tease, nothing more. Movies should never do that, kind of like what Spider-Man 3 did with Gwen Stacy.

Originally Posted by wickedrum (View Post) but that isn't how it works in real life. So for any show to be more lifelike, they should drop this idea.

Originally Posted by sum1 (View Post) Exactly.

Well, if movies were like real life, they'd be documentaries, not movies.

Movies and stories need plot structure and narrative and character arcs. You have to set up the payoffs and pay off the setups. This goes all the way back to Aristotle's Poetics. If you're just dropping random references to certain characters for no reason other than to wink at the audience, then you're not telling a story. Comic book fans will feel dissatisfied if these Easter eggs are not followed up on, and mainstream audiences won't get the references at all and think you're just wasting their time.

Originally Posted by PhoenixRising (View Post) Why? Ms. Marvel and Cyclops are in two totally different storylines. Thanks, dragonfire.

Originally Posted by dragonfire (View Post) They became close friends when Cyclops was on the Champions team. No problem. Deadline ‘RuPaul’s Drag Race’s Shea Couleé Joins Marvel Studios’ ‘Ironheart’ Series 'RuPaul's Drag Race' winner Shea Couleé has landed a secret role in its upcoming series 'Ironheart.' https://deadline.com/2022/08/rupauls...rt-1235084628/

Hi, dragonfire! But wasn't that the alternate reality teenage Cyclops? Isn't that Cyclops gone now that the real Cyclops is back from resurrection, along with Jean Grey?

Thanks for the info.

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Originally Posted by PhoenixRising (View Post) Well, if movies were like real life, they'd be documentaries, not movies. Movies and stories need plot structure and narrative and character arcs. You have to set up the payoffs and pay off the setups. This goes all the way back to Aristotle's Poetics. If you're just dropping random references to certain characters for no reason other than to wink at the audience, then you're not telling a story. Comic book fans will feel dissatisfied if these Easter eggs are not followed up on, and mainstream audiences won't get the references at all and think you're just wasting their time.

No, a lot can be said for creating the feeling of a living world with depth by adding in things that are NOT part of the plot.

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Plus I like random references. Depending on who they refer to, they excite me. A mention is better than nothing, it's like homage to a character. It's like calling up a nice memory.

[dragonfire]

Originally Posted by PhoenixRising (View Post) Hi, dragonfire! But wasn't that the alternate reality teenage Cyclops? Isn't that Cyclops gone now that the real Cyclops is back from resurrection, along with Jean Grey? Thanks for the info.

I could be wrong but I think Cyclops has the memories of that teen Cyclops, or something like that.

No problem.

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How could he have teen Cyclops' memories? He's been resurrected, right? Never mind. Marvel has lost their marbles.

[dragonfire]

Originally Posted by PhoenixRising (View Post) How could he have teen Cyclops' memories? He's been resurrected, right? Never mind. Marvel has lost their marbles.

It's complicated.

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I'll be it is.


Thanks, dragonfire.

Dakota Johnson would make a better Spider-Woman than Madame Web. And Emma Roberts would make a good Black Cat, or Spider-Gwen.

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Originally Posted by PhoenixRising (View Post) I'll be it is. Thanks, dragonfire. Dakota Johnson would make a better Spider-Woman than Madame Web. And Emma Roberts would make a good Black Cat, or Spider-Gwen.

Yup.

No problem.

Well, if she's Julia Carpenter then she's the second Spider-Woman. I think Roberts could be playing the villain.

Plus since it seems the movie is set in the 2000s, and the newspapers saying brave saves girl from fire people are wondering if the movie is set in the Raimiverse since brave saves girl from fire could be a reference to Spider-Man 2.

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Originally Posted by dragonfire (View Post) Yup. No problem. Well, if she's Julia Carpenter then she's the second Spider-Woman. I think Roberts could be playing the villain. Plus since it seems the movie is set in the 2000s, and the newspapers saying brave saves girl from fire people are wondering if the movie is set in the Raimiverse since brave saves girl from fire could be a reference to Spider-Man 2. https://thedirect.com/article/marvel...y-ramos-photos

Thanks for all that, dragonfire!


Ugh, I can't believe that Julia Carpenter is the new Madame Web. It's sad that she's ended up like that, but I guess Marvel decided that they had one Spider-Woman too many and that Jessica Drew was the Spider-Woman they wanted to keep.

I remember when Julia was first introduced as the second Spider-Woman in 1984 in Marvel's Secret Wars storyline. In the early 80s, Marvel had retired or just stopped using a lot of the characters they came out with in the 1970s, like Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel/Carol Danvers, Adam Warlock, and the Guardians of the Galaxy. She-Hulk remained in the Avengers, but she lost her solo title from the 1970s, and then she was with the Fantastic Four for a time. I don't remember what happened to Jessica Drew in the 1980s, but they just weren't using her for a while, so I guess Marvel thought they'd try a new Spider-Woman who was more like Peter. Her black and white outfit is what influenced Peter's symbiote costume to copy the same design, the only difference being that Julia had white gloves that went above the elbow and white boots that went above the knee.

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She-Hulk remained in the Avengers, but she lost her solo title from the 1970s,

It wasn't from the 1970s. It was from the early '80s.

[dragonfire]

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Murderworld? Sounds like a Michael Crichton story.

Originally Posted by sum1 (View Post) It wasn't from the 1970s. It was from the early '80s.

The first issue's release was November 1979. I do remember first hearing about her comic in the 1970s when I was still in elementary school.

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Originally Posted by PhoenixRising (View Post) Murderworld? Sounds like a Michael Crichton story.

Murderworld is an old X-Men thing dating back to the '70s.

The first issue's release was November 1979.

Which means the comic came out mostly in the early '80s as it went on for two years. Dumbass.

[dragonfire]

Interesting. It's rumored

Spoiler:

Dakota Johnson is playing Cassandra Webb, Sydney Sweeney is playing Julia Carpenter, Celeste O'Connor is playing Mattie Franklin, Isabela Merced is playing Anya Corazon, Emma Roberts is playing Mary Parker, and Adam Scott is playing Ben Parker.

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