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The West Memphis Three.
In 1993, three eight-year-olds went missing. Their bodies were found together, naked, hogtied and their bodies mutilated (including their private parts) in a creek ditch. Naturally, public sentiment was rapidly enflamed. There was talk of devil worship and such having played a part in the murders (despite evidence that the boys may have been molested). Anyway, three teenagers were arrested, Jessie Misskelley Jr., Jason Baldwin and Damien Echols. Baldwin was a good student, but the other two were drop outs who were "known" to police for behavioural issues. Baldwin and Echols were good friends, Misskelley was an acquaintance. The primary reason of their arrest seems to have been that two of them were known trouble-makers, somewhat anti-social and that they wore goth clothes. Then Misskelley, who was 17 and had a very low IQ, was questioned without the presence of an attorney or his parents for 12 hours. And he confessed, implicated the other two as well. On the strenght of that confession and conjectures and false evidence, which many (even at the time) believed had been coerced, the three were found guilty of murder. Misskelley was sentenced to 40 years, Baldwin was sentenced to life in prison and Echols (who was the oldest and, according to the prosecution, the ringleader) was sentenced to death. The appeals court found them guilty. Over the years, the verdicts were questioned, due to mismanagement of the crime scene, the evidence, the investigations and because the teens had been tried not so much for the crimes as for their general trouble-making pasts. To the point where the parents of the three victims (or, most of them) also came to doubt the validity of the verdicts. There were a lot of celebrities involved in trying to free them. Documentaries were made. Johnny Depp, Peter Jackson, Natalie Maines, Eddie Vedder, Metallica, etc. They had a lot of financial support, too, since Echolls specifically came from a poor family. In 2011, they entered an Alford plea wherein they admitted that another trial would probably find them guilty, but they maintained their innocence. (Basically, they were released but could not ever sue for false imprisonment.) Baldwin objected a long time to the Alford plea deal but, considering Echols was on death row, was eventually convinced to take the plea. So they were freed 18 years after the fact. And whomever actually killed those three boys will likely never be found. I'm sorry. That was very long. I just have a lot of empathy for people who were targeted essentially for not fitting in. __________________
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Jury in loud music trial reaches verdict on 4 counts, undecided on 5th - CNN.com
Michael Dunn trial in the case of killing tennager in a SUV ,when he felt his life was in danger . Quote:
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Thanks Sunny, that's been a superb quick-fix
I'm stunned that so many renowned personalities got involved in this issue and I still hadn't heard about it, though. __________________
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Update The Fla jury has returned a verdict on 4 out of the 5 counts ..
The Florida jury in the case of Michael Dunn has found him guilty on four charges, including three for second-degree attempted murder. But they were unable to reach a verdict on a fifth count of first-degree murder. The judge -- who moments before had said that the jury had reached a verdict on all counts -- declared a mistrial on this count alone. __________________
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I'm convinced. System in FL is way out there.
How the **** can you not come back with a not guilty verdict? I mean its I'm glad the other guilty verdicts came in but not the main one? __________________
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Christina Well, the celebrity campaigning was also very much behind the scenes.
They raised money to pay for legal fees, for instance. There were fundraising concerts. And, of course, the three documentaries. Survivor It's a really depressing fact to have sink in, I find. But I have to agree. It's apparently alright to shoot a black kid to death in Florida. __________________
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Apparently it is.
I guess I can find solace in the fact at least this one is going to jail. You can call me James by the way. __________________
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It is ridiculous to join a cult to kill and mutilate people, and to shoot someone just because they have their music up loud. I once heard a former policeman shooting a man on his birthday over texting
It doesn't make sense to label someone not guilty especially when the person is clearly guilty. I am glad these idiots are thrown in jail. They deserve it. Why make a law that says it is OK to shoot a black kid? |
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Well, of course, they don't literally have a law that says it's okay to kill black kids. But it's two very high profile cases in a row now where unarmed black teens have been murdered and their killers get away with it because they somehow felt "their lives were threatened" and managed to convince a jury of that.
So, in the end, the result is the same. You can kill a black kid in Florida and get away with it if you say it was because he scared you. The texting thing was also in Florida, wasn't it? And, yeah, the jury found the guy who killed the black kid guilty of the second-degree murder counts, because he shot up that car but good. And there were other people in that car, so there were also counts of attempted murder. He got a sentence wherein he shouldn't be eligible for parole for 60 years. So there's that. Still... __________________
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I haven't gotten round to follow US news much lately, so it's the first time I read about the Dunn case.
Is this 'stand your ground' all over again? __________________
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I haven't followed this story much either.
But, yeah, I believe it was a "stand your ground" nonsense. Except there's something about the number of times Mr Dunn shot at the car (3 separate "volleys," whatever those are, for a total of 10 bullets actually hitting the vehicle) that, again, make it seem like the very last thing that could have possibly gone through Mr Dunn's mind is that he was in fear for his life. It'd be easier for me to believe that he got some sort of adrenaline poisoning thing and went on an anger-fuelled rampage than to believe that, out of fear, he shot a car (that wasn't coming towards him in any way) three separate "times." I suppose this is why he was found guilty on several counts (well, at least two) of attempted murder. __________________
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I'm not one to condone criminal acts, even include damage to private/corporate property. But this came out on the heels of another man getting away with murder in Florida (though, of course, he's going to prison on other counts). So three years in prison for graffiti, a cut fence and some general mayhem at a nuclear facility deemed to be disturbingly inept... It feels a bit like overkill to me. Then again, I don't suppose a nun would mind the confinements of prison. __________________
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If I was into conspiracy theories, which I'm not, I'd almost believe that they made it so he could get his hands on it so that they could kill him. Of course, that implies that prison guards would be sacrificed, which is part of why I don't buy into it. It's just that weird. __________________
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All of which may have had precisely nothing to do with this specific act, but darn it if they won't lump it in with the rest, huh? __________________
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