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Jasmine being their daughter... Just, no. __________________
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Their characters have entirely different relationships with Angel and even in similar cases such as Cordelia/Angel vs. Buffy/Angel the relationships are still unique and shaped by unique circumstances. Charisma, Sarah, and James are also entirely different people. Quote:
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The Girl in Question was just a pathetic reminder that Angel and Spike loved the same woman. We already knew this and it made them look like lovesick teenagers.
Spike had a more recent relationship with Buffy, so I understood his behavior, but NOT Angel's That was yet another attempt to make the audience forget about Cordelia and what he shared with her. That's why I hate Season 5. It tries to create a new backstory. I'd say the only good thing is the lack of Connor. __________________
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Remember he claimed, "I have a girlfriend" in reference to Nina to pass himself off as the more mature one. In my fanon, he was referring to Cordelia regardless of her death. As the Princess Bride Westley said: "Death doesn't stop true love." It doesn't dilute the BS but is still somewhat comforting. Quote:
(BTW, one of several ways in which season 5 almost directly disregards Cordelia is here, when Hamilton throws her name and Doyle's and Fred's names at Angel as people he'd betrayed and emphasized Fred's name rather than Cordelia's). He's better though, the new life Vail gave him softened him to Angel considerably. Then in ATF, he remembers being cared for by Angel and Cordelia as an infant (I have no idea how that's possible or what the trigger was and it doesn't explain) which was the moment he, at last, accepted that parental connection to Angel and to Cordelia as well. Earlier you'd called Connor/Jasmine!Cordy an Oedipus complex and ironically so does he at this point: "Aw come on! Fantastic, my first time was with my surrogate mother! Not only am I am immaculate vampire baby, I'm also Oedipus!" After this point, Connor and Angel become very close. __________________
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It's quite obvious why he changed his mind Another dig at Charisma. Plus, he wanted to make it all about Angel's former puppy love for Buffy, just to conclude the show and please Bangel shippers. Quote:
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Because as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't make any sense, it could be a load of crap cover up. Though it's possible that his or the Wikia's wording is poor, that it was felt that it gave Angel too much spotlight and/or rubbed his brief "normal" happiness in Buffy's face when this was taking place on her show, not his. Additionally, David Boreanaz was apparently only available to shoot for 7 hours. So time constraint might have also played into it. In the entertainment industry, I don't think 7 hours is as long as it sounds. Joss has also clarified that 'Chosen' was NOT intended to either get B/A back together or even suggest the possibility, it was just a tribute to the fans. That as far as I am aware, B/A never get back together and B/S do seem to support this. Tidbit: I've been told that Joss has also made a statement about Buffy's reaction to C/A, that if she had found out, she'd have initially laughed. Neither of them needed to validate themselves to the other, Buffy only had to explain her relationship with Spike because Angel scented him on her and asininely pushed her about it. I abruptly feel the need to give Angel a bit of a break for that because he was in a considerably dark place, having JUST put Cordelia in the hospital and gave Connor away. I believe that was all about resenting Spike for becoming essentially a version of him with more freedom (his soul) not about Buffy choosing his grandchilde over him. When I watched it, I remember being quite put off by how cold and hard like stone he was. I almost wondered if it wasn't actually him but The First or something. I felt like that entire encounter was more or less another Darla thing, that he was numb and just trying to feel something, anything. The amulet was just a convenient excuse to show up. Quote:
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I do like Fred but hated that her death had the impact that Cordelia's should have. We didn't even get to see Angel tell the others that she died and I'll never forgive her absence from Angel's fever dreams in 'Soul Purpose'. Especially because one of them is him watching B/S having sex (No, fortunately, it wasn't a real Buffy appearance, it was a brief back shot with no lines so just a stunt girl). __________________
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I've compiled a full fic rec list on my LJ for anyone interested:
https://thewolfsmoon.livejournal.com/30566.html *** Jul 31, 2018: I'm watching That Vision Thing on iTunes (or rather my favorite parts) and I just noticed this line of Angel's: "I don't suppose we know what this other dimension is like - I mean, besides fortress-y and demon-y." Cordy totally rubbed off on Angel. __________________
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Haven't had anything in here in a while.
Those are some of the best CA closeness moments. Except the dream one in 'Awakening'. __________________
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Well, the dream scenes are Angel's deepest desires and tell a lot more than he ever did verbally which I find meaningful but I refuse to regard them as actual C/A moments that represent their relationship because they are not.
They were beautiful fantasies but the keyword there is fantasies. The beach dream in 'Deep Down' downright irks me. I hate that Angel's response when Cordy confesses her love is "I need you". I'd buy it if it had been Cordy's dream due to her insecurities about B/A but not in Angel's especially considering he had her confess first. __________________
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I never got that impression but it would fit.
Angel does kind of see her as fragile and himself as her protector because he's still something of an 18th-century man at heart. __________________
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Hello I am a big Cangel fan. And wanted you to ask, if you can maybe add me to the list?
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