**Carrie**

ita! [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img] he looked a bit like jc chasez from n'sync.

MethodicWays

I think the ep was so-so didn't fully draw me away from The Apprentice finale. The big problem I had was Gunn. WHY GUNN WHY? WHY WHEN WE LOVE YOU SO MUCH WOULD YOU LEAVE US? [img]smilies/bawl.gif[/img]

I find it really annoying [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] that Gunn killed a dude for Fred, saved her a million times and he makes a small mistake that (I'll admit) does result in her death and all of a sudden he has to atone with eternal damnation (NO BLACK MAN NO, WE MUST END THIS SUFFERING!) [img]smilies/bawl.gif[/img]

How come Wes is the reason Connor ends up in a hell dimension for over a decade but he only has to endure a season of having sex with Lilah? (Which in a way can be its own hell)

I really, really want my Gunn back. Oh and by the way the shrimp reference was not about Tara. The first person to mention it was Anya. She tells Buffy that you can have a world w/o shrimp or a world with nothing but shrimp and them Tara says she's allergic to shrimp. It's a running gag. I loved it. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

out4awalk

Did anybody else think Harmony was going the way of the dust? I was sure she was going to 'die' when she popped up in the opening credits (remember Tara?).
She stayed behind to distract Baldwin and I thought "Damn, they're killing another female character?" Good to see ME was simply giving her just dues.

Karbear3916

OMG I havent' noticed hat until you said it but you are right he does remind me of JC chasez [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img] and i agree he needs a haircut my friend said the same thing but he's still hot!

mg_ros

Does anyknow have or know where I can find the picture of Harmony, Lorne, and Eve screaming? Even a clip of that scene would do. Thanx.

~Natty

lunas_borednow

~♥~My Lonely Angel~♥~

Lovely, I like that blue Wes/Illyria one.

saturn5

UNDERNEATH

The Good;
All the Lindsey stuff is great and love the appearance of Marcus and everyone's reaction to it. Love the Spike/Angel conference complete with beer.
The Bad;
How does Lindsey know Fred and Cordy are dead? Or is he referring to Doyle and Gunn? You can see the perspective gag when Marcus punches through the security guard. The background on the roof set which Wes and Illyria stand on is obviously fake.
Best line;
Angel; "Bad things always happen here, Spike"
Spike; "Hate to break it to you mate but bad things happen everywhere"
Jeez, how did they get away with that?
Lindsey/Gunn have their own personal torture chamber. Spike just picks up the hearts with his bare hands.
Apocalypses: 5 Spike and Angel have a discussion over what qualifies as an apocalypse. Lindsey informs them they're actually living in an apocalypse.
Angel Cliches
Subverting the Hollywood cliche; Marcus doesn't want to fight, just to get Eve to sign her contract.
In disguise; 8
DB/JM get's his shirt off; 19, Lorne takes the bullets out of Spike
Cheap Angel; 8
Fang Gang in bondage:
Cordy: 5
Angel: 15
Wes: 8
Gunn; 8
Lorne; 6
Fred; 5
Spike; 6

Fang gang knocked out:
Cordy: 15
Angel: 20
Wes: 10
Doyle; 1
Gunn; 4
Lorne; 8
Groo; 1
Connor; 1
Faith; 1
Fred; 7
Spike; 5
Kills;
Cordy: 5 vamps, 3½ demons
Angel; 48 vamps, 67 and 1/2 demons, 5 zombies, 12 humans, one werewolf and one cyborg
Doyle; 1 vamp
Wes; 16 demons+5 vamps, 5 zombies, 4 humans, 2 cyborgs
Kate; 3 vamps
Faith; 18 vamps, 6 demons, 3 humans.
Gunn; 11 vamps+ 15 demons, 5 zombies, 1 human.
Groo; 1 demon
Fred; 3 vamps+ 14 demons, 5 zombies
Connor; 16 vamps, 5 zombies, 2 demons, Jasmine
Spike; 21 vamps, 12 demons+1 human+one parasite
Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 3
Angel: 3
Gunn; 1
Wes; 1

Alternate Fang Gang; suburban Gunn
Cordy: 4
Angel: 12
Fred; 3
Wes; 1
Gunn; 2
Connor; 1
Lorne; 1

Characters killed: poor WR&H security guard
2265
Recurring characters killed; Eve realises that she's going to die just like Anya in Buffy.
12
Total number of Angel Investigations; 5,
Angel, Gunn, Lorne, Wes, Spike

Angel Investigations shot: Spike and Angel
Angel: 15
Wes; 2
Spike; 1
Packing heat; not the gang but you've got to love a series with Uzi toting soccer moms!
Wes; 13
Doyle; 1
Angel; 4
Gunn; 3
Fred; 5

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
Cordy: 5 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast+Phantom Dennis+Groo+Connor plus possibly the Beast
Angel: 6; Buffy, Darla, The Transcending Furies, Eve
Wes; 3 definite; Virginia, the bleached blonde and Lilah, 2 possible, Justine, Fred
Gunn; 2 Fred and Gwen.
Fred; 1 Gunn, 1 possible Wes
Groo; 1Cordy
Spike; 3-Buffy, Anya, Harmony

Kinky dinky:
Spike talks about 'pounding the neighbours wife'.
Captain Subtext;
Angel and Lorne comment on how well dressed Marcus is. Lindsey's wife is very reminiscent of Darla, you wonder if Angel and Spike are thinking that when then they open the door. Gunn obviously wants to be punished. Illyria says 'We' are so weak?
Know the face, different character; 7
Parking garages; oh yeah
10,
Guantanamo Bay;
Harmony has been told 'No torture' by Angel. Lorne is shocked when Angel reveals he left Gunn behind. The Wrath!
Buffy characters on Angel; 17
Wetherby, Collins and Smith. Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith, Darla, Dru, The Master, Anne, Willow and Harmony. POSSIBLY The First Evil, Andrew.
What the fanficcers thought; .

Missing scenes;

Questions and observations;
Spike refers to Knightrider, he shouldn't have teased the Geeks! Spike asks what the collective name for the Angel gang is, we never quite decided, like AI and the Fang Gang personally. It's actually Spike who comes up with the idea of talking to Eve. Harmony in the title sequence, how great, MM in the show right from the pilot, now a regular. They talked about the Lorne Green idea before in Happy Anniverasry. Am I missing something about Wes' joke? The world without shrimp is referenced again, this time the world with it. Eve is the child of the senior partners but doesn't even know who or what they are? But surely Illyria does? Are all the inhabitants in the holding dimension prisoners? Do we ever see Gunn in his suit again? And he's shaved his head. Surely he must wear a suit for court? The partners obviously think a lot of Lindsey, keeping him alive to decide if he'll still be useful. What does 'blocking' mean? It's been 4 months since 'You're welcome'. Gunn actually comes across really well as the family man. Does Marcus represent the WB suits who cancelled Angel?
Marks out of 10; 8/10 for the holding dimension stuff alone

Crystal Clear

I love this episode. It might actually be my favorite of this (lackluster) season.

They really did a great job of showing the hell dimension Lindsey is trapped in as being some sort of Stepford Wives territory where torturous routines are repeated daily and reinforces the idea that you never really know what's going on behind closed doors.

It's frightening to think that his heart is literally being ripped out every time he goes into the basement Whoever's controlling this are really adamant on dishing out some harsh punishment!

Absolutely heartbreaking decision by Gunn to stay behind. You can understand his reason (they need Lindsey back for information and he's trying to redeem himself for playing a part in Fred's death) but it hurts to see him so lost and alone.

I always thought he was unfairly made part of Fred's death. "I signed a piece of paper" oh COME ON. This is gross. Fred is the love of Gunn's life. I know the writers tried to make everyone forget all about that when she began dating Wesley, but I definitely remembered how much Fred and Gunn meant to each other.

This episode reiterated to me that Lindsey had no reason to get back into all of this. He's literally used for exposition in this episode to warn Angel of the coming Apocalypses but other than that, his attempt to reclaim glory or whatever is just a lame excuse for the writers destroying such a brilliant character from the early years.